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Icepick Jones
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“Is this going to hurt?” Revis asked no one in particular. He sat in the cupped, white chair, fumbling with the leather straps binding his wrists. No one responded. It was a dumb question to ask anyway; of course it was going to hurt. He knew the answer, but he wanted some conversation just the same.

They had been ignoring him all day. An unhealthy silence had permeated the room despite being filled to the brim with people. Sixteen of the smartest, most capable minds on the planet were hard at work monitoring and adjusting the chair but there wasn’t one among them whose stomach wasn't twisted with disgust.

It had been hours since they began, and after an exhaustive day there was a sense of relief bubbling up with the realization that they were only minutes from completion.

[This message has been edited by Icepick Jones (edited May 28, 2010).]


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babooher
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I think this could be sped up. So far you basically have 13 lines of a guy sitting in a chair. His tension doesn't seem that high, and the situation seems vague enough that I'm not all that interested in reading more.

Cut it down, ratchet up the tension, and get this baby going.


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Icepick Jones
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Yeah that's what I was having trouble with. If you can believe it, this IS the ratcheted down version, I've already tried to shore up what I'd had started with a couple times.

Let me ask you this ... if I give you the next 4 lines, does it pique any interest or is it still too slow?

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On hatrack you are only allowed to post 13 lines--you shouldn't post further lines as it contravenes the rules. You will be asked to remove any lines of prose beyond 13 lines or they will be edited out by KDW. Check the guidance for posting.

You are allowed to repost and edited version of in fact a totally new start.

If you can't hook people in 13 lines then I would suggest you re-think your intro. Of course you may not wish to hook people within 13 lines--some don't.

Your intro is vague and has elements of witholding. The POV character knows what is going on but the author--you--is deliberately withholding this from the reader--me--in order to create a desire to read on. It doesn't work.

The POV is unclear.

-twisted with disgusted-?

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The rapid POV switch from what seems to be Revis' internal POV to an external/omni doesn't work for me. And no, even with the extra lines, you are spending time telling us small side details rather than the story. Even the "killer" line doesn't achieve much of a hook after that as we still don't know who the people are (other than very smart), what they are doing to him, why they are doing it, etc etc etc. Hooks work if the pique our curiosity but telling us too little is as bad as telling us too much.

First off, decide what the POV of the story is actually going to be - if it's omni you can pop into Rvis' head, sure, but do so AFTER letting us know we're in omni. Then based on that POV give us a little more reason to care about what's happening - one of the things really lacking from the opening is a sense of personal investment, even Revis doesn't come across as especially emotional about the event. If no-one involved seems to care, why should a reader (though obviously you can make that lack of caring into a hook if you concentrate on it, but it's tricky).


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Icepick Jones
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Thanks for the responses. I'm going to scrap the whole thing and restart from scratch at a different angle.

I did seem to wander in my pov. I guess it's because I was trying to set up the scene without delving too much into exposition, and failing apparently.

The disconnect and apparent apathy on Revis' part was intentional though. Revis is in the process of being executed or something similar (I won't give away the whole story in case anyone cared) for his crimes but it doesn't bother him, meanwhile the people executing him are disgusted, maybe with what they have to do, but more so with just the nature of his crimes.

I thought the idea of someone being essentially prepped for a futuristic electric chair was as good a jumping on point as any. Execution seemed like a good hook to me but the setting isn't fully realized for a few paragraphs. I guess I was just hoping that the potential of someone being punished for a crime and their apparent ennui about it would be enough to draw a reader in and want to know more.

On paper it seems like a good event and starting plot point, I just struggle with "style" I guess. Flowery prose and forced exposition are like my pet peeves to end all pet peevs so I always seem to fall on the "less is more" side of things. Just isn't working out as of yet.


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First off, "twisted with disgusted"? Did you mean disgust?

Anyway, beginning with an execution is a pretty good hook, (or attempted execution/whatever it is) the problem is that's not what you have written here. I have no clue what's going on, the whole time I was wondering if it was brain surgery, dental work, a spaceship launch, or something I've never heard of. For some reason execution wasn't on the list.

All I know is that some guy is sitting in a chair while sixteen of the smartest minds on the planet ignore him.


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Well were you at least curious about why they were ignoring him? Enough to read 3 more lines or so?

And yeah, it was supposed to be "disgust" as opposed to "disgusted," I altered that sentence from what it was as I posted it but didn't have the foresight to spell check.

Getting all this pertinent data in to the first 13 lines is tough, I mean the hooks are all in the story, plot wise, but the meat hits 10 lines past this. I've never focused on the first few sentences like this before, I've always thought in scenes and arcs. I guess I just decompress too much. It's like writing flash fiction and I don't kill enough of my darlings.

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I also didn't get that this was an execution. For some reason I can't see needing the worlds smartest minds to tie some guy down, strap on a few electrodes and throw a switch. That just doesn't seem plausible to me. Even if there is some reason why they do need to be the smartest people in the world doing this, do we need to know that so early in the story? Also, it wouldn't take all day. A few hours at most.
I did like the first couple of sentences though. I would like to see the story continue in that POV and narration style. If the second paragraph was cut out, and the third was rewritten from Revis' POV so he would be sensing their relief, then you could get at least one of the hooks into the first 13.

Just some idea's, I think if some of the kinks could be worked out, this could be a really good story.


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Icepick Jones
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Thanks jaya. You're right, the tone changes too much and as I'm reading through the whole thing, it flip flops in a couple other places later in the story as well. I think in my effort to get information out there without having it be flat exposition, I didn't realize I was drifting from my POV.

There is a reason these specific people have to do "the execution" and there is a reason that it takes all day. There is a payoff of sorts. It's not really "an execution" either; I just paint it like it is something similar in the first page and a half. I kind of like that people aren't getting what's up though. At first I thought it was a negative, but in the context of the whole this actually might play into what it's all about, I just have to hook it more. I think I overestimated the draw of the "will it hurt?" as the opening line.

I'm going to take the part out about the scientists altogether though, it's an interesting caveat and comes back in the story later on, but on the whole of the story it's impact seems minimal. It's more of a theme related thing than a plot point.

Thanks to everyone for their comments and critiques.


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Doesn't seem that bad to me. I don't get the sense of an execution though. More like an experiment. I wasn't bothered by the POV either, but I rarely am.

For me at least, if you made it clear that he's being prepped for execution, but doesn't really care, it would definitely be interesting.

Personally I think a little more exposition would be good. I think the key lies in their disgust..let us know why they are disgusted and that may well, at the same time, let us know why he's there...that, I think, would get things going.


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I was curious about why they were ignoring him, and why he was strapped to a chair, and why whatever it is took all day. The problem is curiosity turns to confusion pretty quickly if there are not solid clues. I shouldn't have to wait 16 lines for an image of the situation. I shouldn't have to wait six. It creates the situation of "something cool is going on but I'm not telling you what." You could fix this with one word really.

"Sixteen of the smartest, most capable minds on the planet were hard at work monitoring and adjusting the chair but there wasn’t one among them whose stomach wasn't twisted with disgust over the execution(or transmorgrification or whatever the heck it is)." We need some noun to eliminate the other possibilities.

Don't worry too much about packing everything into the first thirteen. All the first thirteen are is just a sample of what is to come. (If all that sample gives us is confusion then we don't want to read on.) It's good to think in scenes and arcs. We don't need everything up front, we just need to know what's going on.

I think that perhaps in your fear of flat exposition you are leaving out needed exposition.


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I enjoyed this with some good hooks; I liked the line referring to if it’s going to hurt. I also like the way you build up the focus from Revis to a room full of people. Quite suspenseful and has me hooked.
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