quote:Originally posted by Puffy Treat: If you can accept sentient, romantic robots, then self-regenerating artificial food can fit nicely into such a fantasy world.
Except the former does not violate basic laws of physics and the second does.
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quote:Originally posted by Human: From the bleak, barely-relieved depression of the first 40 minutes or so, to the humor and action of the last half of the movie, I never stopped caring about the movie, or feeling for the characters in it. I believe that movies, first and foremost, are meant to entertain, to move, and to inspire. Wall-E did that in spades.
Fine, but the point is, these are not major changes we are talking about. Just encapsulate the plant in a globe, and make the destination of the garbage a recycling plant instead of vacuum. The same emotional impact, and much more accurate. I'll even let you have the swirling planetary rings as evoking Wall-E's mood rather than what's actually happening.
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quote:Originally posted by Puffy Treat: If you can accept sentient, romantic robots, then self-regenerating artificial food can fit nicely into such a fantasy world.
Except the former does not violate basic laws of physics and the second does.
Unless quantum mysticism turns out to be a law of physics...
KIDDING! I was KIDDING!
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Sentient robots that ahven't decided to kill us, what was the point of the matrix? Anyway that was the best pixar movie I have ever seen!
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T:man, the beauty of this movie is that the robots are more human than the humans, and then teach the humans to be human again. I think it's a much cooler story if you have a robot that acts as an innocent savior than a vengeful slaver.
And yes, I got that you were joking. I'm agreeing with you more than anything.
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quote:Originally posted by C3PO the Dragon Slayer: T:man, the beauty of this movie is that the robots are more human than the humans, and then teach the humans to be human again. I think it's a much cooler story if you have a robot that acts as an innocent savior than a vengeful slaver.
Those were some of my favorite moments. It seemed like everyone that Wall-E encountered were effected by his personality. His cheer and curiosity was literally infectious. I would just get the biggest grin watching various robots learn to wave and be independent.
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That moment when Moe decides to leave his guiding line to wipe up Wall-E's tracks was beautiful. Posts: 37449 | Registered: May 1999
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My only criticism is that the plot was a bit clumsy. The whole plant business got pretty complicated and random. Besides that... brilliant, of course. But I still think Finding Nemo was better. It had all the humor, beauty, adorableness, and love that Wall-E had, but with a simple, elegant plot.
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It was excellent. I had several emotional ups and downs during the movie, and I was honestly rooting for the two of them.
Very good movie. Funny, emotionally stimulating, beautifully rendered, and with a nice little packaged message that wasn't so overbearing that you lost the real story in it.
Also, the end credits were beautiful.
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I'm gonna want to see this again. This movie is too perfect for only one set of ten-buck tickets.
At least I don't need spend an additional thirty-five on popcorn and soda and whatever other synthetic food-in-a-cup that is vended in those stalls by the theaters. The first time seeing WALL-E taught me the error of those ways.
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Wait... I just noticed that some people are spelling it WALL-E and others are spelling it WALL*E. Which is correct?
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I haven't had time to read all of the comments above yet, but I will.
My wife bought the WAL-E game for the wii last saturday, and I forbade my kids to play it until we had seen the movie. Luckily they didn't have to wait long, since we went and saw it on Monday.
I don't want to spoil the movie for anyone who hasn't seen it yet, however I do have a few comments. Pixar being Pixar had beautiful artwork. the writing however was clever, but not brilliant in the way Incredibles was. It was definitely good, so nobody should be discouraged to see it, except fat people. Fat people will probably hate the movie. I won't say any more than that though.
Now onto the scathing criticism part. And that has to do with the Nintendo Wii game based on the movie. This game is a step backwards in Wii gaming. the artwork is on par with the movie, or at least as much as can be expected for a game, so I don't criticise that at all.
the controls are ok, not great. The wii elements of the controls don't really make sense for the game and are there just to annoy you. It would have been better to program all the moves console style than to force you to shake your wii when it makes no sense to do so. The flight mode for Eve is difficult to master. Luckily she heals from damage pretty easily on her own. The parts of the game where you play both Wall-e and Eve are actually very clever and I give applause for how they melded the two very different controls and actions together.
The game is similar to the Ratatoillie game in that its single player, which has a few multiplayer minigames. I haven't played any of the Wall-e minigames yet, however the rat minigames were abysmal. I'm not holding out much hope that Wall-e will be better. the worst part is they defintely took a turn backwards in allowing saved games. In rat you could save 3 or 4 different games, so that multiple people could enjoy the game at different times. In Wall-e you get 1 saved game total. My only conclusion to this sort of decision making is that Disney hates families. Yes, they may pretend to be family friendly when you visit their parks, but at their core they just hate them. Imagine the fights going on in households around the world as siblings and parents erase each other's games in order to play for themselves. Worst of all nobody will ever get beyond a certain level because the game will have been played and erased by the next time you get there. The only way to finish the game will be to play straight through from beginning to end ignoring all family responsibilities until you've successfully completed the game. Disney just may destroy more families with this game than alcohol and drugs ever have.
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quote:Originally posted by Steve_G: Fat people will probably hate the movie. I won't say any more than that though.
My mom's overweight and she loves the movie even more than I do... if that's possible.
quote:Originally posted by Steve_G: In Wall-e you get 1 saved game total. My only conclusion to this sort of decision making is that Disney hates families.
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Well, even then, it's not so much making fun of fat people as it is making fun of the overconsumer. It does such a good job at lighthearted satire that it evades all sense of the audience feeling the slightest bit offended.
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A silly question: the larger "Wall-Es" that were compacting trash on the spaceship...their labels said "Wall-A" ...what did their "A" stand for? Wall-E's "E" is for Earth-class, is the "A" astro-class? Air-class? I was wondering.
Also, minor quibble, but why was it so important that WALL-E stop the plant-machine from closing? It was so important and self-sacrificing and yet I was thinking "but he doesn't NEED to do that...they could just wait!" It wasn't irreversible if it did close, they could just open it again with the controls. Also, there seemed to be a lot of focus on time in that last scene, and I was confused as to why it was so important that it all be done IMMEDIATELY! instead of hiding the boot until a better opportunity presented itself. Maybe if the machine had malfunctioned and we had seen that if he didn't stop it from closing they wouldn't be able to use it, etc. etc.
Also I kept muttering to my movie-watching companion that "It only takes a moment" does NOT come after "Put on your sunday clothes" in Hello, Dolly!...but we created an elaborate story involving WALL-E making himself a "best of" compilation video of his favorites scenes to explain it.
Anyhow, seems silly to complain about that since otherwise i adored the movie and didn't care about all the unbelievable plot-contrivances. I loved the concept of the humans who had their "eyes opened" to the world around them. I loved that both WALL-E and the humans were, in a sense, products of this great all-consuming corporation which had controlled them for centuries, but WALL-E was able to find joy in his monotony, whereas the humans were dulled to the world around them.
I have never been so enthralled at the beginning of a movie as when Michael Crawford started belting out "Out There---there's a world outside of Yonkers!" to that great backdrop of all the stars and galaxies.
It really was a lovely movie. I think I might have to see it again.
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quote:Originally posted by Leonide: A silly question: the larger "Wall-Es" that were compacting trash on the spaceship...their labels said "Wall-A" ...what did their "A" stand for? Wall-E's "E" is for Earth-class, is the "A" astro-class? Air-class? I was wondering.
I think when I saw that I thought maybe it stood for Axiom-class (since that's where they were located). That was the first thing that came to my mind, but maybe astro-class or something else would be better.
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Just got back from seeing it again. My teenage brother even wanted to see it again which unusual cause this is usually the age where myself and each of my siblings shunned youthful entertainment.
Random ponderings:
-If Wall*E had so many spare parts, why didn't he repair a friend or two for himself?
-The Axiom was "the jewel of the fleet" and video towards the beginning shows the launching of multiple space-crafts. So what happened to the rest of them?
-I really love the song when Wall*E and EVE are "dancing" in space. Anyone know what its called on the soundtrack? I need to head over to Amazon and listen to the clips and see if any sound familiar.
-There were some similarities to "Short Circuit" in Wall*E's design and personality. But the ending has also been bugging me. EVE replaced his circuitry and computer bits which of course disposed of his memory as evidenced by the lack of musical playback. So are we supposed to believe in a robotic soul? It made me think about the question regarding how much of our bodies can we replace before we lose our identity. I mean, I understand that emotions, curiosity, and original thought are supposed to be beyond a robot's ability anyway, but if this were a story about a human and their brain had been replaced, it would have bugged me equally.
-The whole movie I had the Beatles "I Want To Hold Your Hand" stuck in my head.
-The credits are gorgeous. I can't get over them. I want to give a great big hug to whoever came up with that concept.
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quote:Originally posted by Leonide: Also, minor quibble, but why was it so important that WALL-E stop the plant-machine from closing? It was so important and self-sacrificing and yet I was thinking "but he doesn't NEED to do that...they could just wait!" It wasn't irreversible if it did close, they could just open it again with the controls. Also, there seemed to be a lot of focus on time in that last scene, and I was confused as to why it was so important that it all be done IMMEDIATELY! instead of hiding the boot until a better opportunity presented itself. Maybe if the machine had malfunctioned and we had seen that if he didn't stop it from closing they wouldn't be able to use it, etc. etc.
You'll notice that AUTO presses down really hard on the switch that closes the holo-detector, which causes it to somehow close faster? Still, it breaks the switch into fragments.
Also, take the struggle between AUTO and the Captain to its natural conclusion, had the Captain not switched on AUTO's manual override. After all, it was only lucky happenstance that the Captain managed to reveal the box that contained the override switch. Anyway, the Captain probably would have been subdued and taken back to his room. This really was a "last-ditch" effort.
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Also, Wall-E is sort of a "live in the moment" kind of personality. I don't think he really understood EVE's mission outside of small particulars. I mean, when she was going on about her directive, he kept reaching out to hold her hand.
He knew she wanted the plant. He knew she wanted to put in the holo-detector. So when it starts to close, he's not going to come up with plans and strategies. He just wants to keep it open so that they can go back home.
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I noticed that too. I vaguely caught the birth and death dates for one of the captains and it looked like he lived to be 120 years old.
I'm wondering why they were all men.
Someone also mentioned that we only see adults and babies, no children. I'm wondering if their size and mental disconnect from the world means they no longer engage in typical sexual reproduction. Perhaps all the babies are grown in test-tubes, raised until adulthood and then a new batch is brewed up.
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Shanna, regarding Wall•E's memory surviving... here's my explanation for it.
We saw a wide variety of his parts being repaired, particularly some sort of circuit board. We didn't see any sort of hard drive being replaced, however. My explanation is that he sustained so much damage that his hard drive shut down. When he was repaired, the hard drive failed to reboot, and he began operating on his basic OS. When EVE "kissed" him, the resulting spark somehow managed to reboot his hard drive, thus restoring his memories.
It's pretty thin, but honestly, I don't need much explanation. I was on the verge of tears at that point, and the simple fact that he wasn't dead was good enough for me.
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Sophie looked up at me at that point in the movie and said, quite sternly, "Daddy, if that little robot is dead I will be very upset with you."
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I interpreted Wall-E's reboot as originating from EVE. At an earlier point in the movie I recall a similar spark passing between them, though I don't remember when. To me, this meant that EVE had a backup of Wall-E (which also somehow updated to include memory of later events).
I thought the idea of the characters existing within one another went well with the romantic aspect of the story.
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ITS GLADOS!!!!!!!!! AND SHE HAS ACCESS TO CHILDREN!!!
quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: ITS GLADOS!!!!!!!!! AND SHE HAS ACCESS TO CHILDREN!!!
When you first see the navigator (when they first enter the bridge), that's the first thing that crossed my mind. Big, dark room with this thing hanging from the ceiling...
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I like both of those interpretations. I agree that the scene was incredibly moving regardless, but still wish they had provided a more solid explanation. Or any explanation really.
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Apeture Science!
We do what we must... because we can!
Now these points of data
make a beautiful line.
look at me still talking when there's science to do
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I loved all the 2001: A Space Odyssey references. Auto was clearly a nod to Hal 9000, but there were also musical references such as Blue Danube Waltz and Sprach Zarasthustra .
Of course, I also thought the movie was magical, the end of the credits delightfully ironic and incisive. Brilliant!!
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quote:Originally posted by C3PO the Dragon Slayer: Wait... I just noticed that some people are spelling it WALL-E and others are spelling it WALL*E. Which is correct?
quote:Originally posted by rivka: Neither. It's actually a dot -- those are the two different approximations people are using.
Logos should not be taken as guides to correct spelling and punctuation. Notice that the official site of the movie uses a hyphen and not a centered dot.
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Huh, I thought the second was a woman. She looked squatter than the others and seemed to have longer hair. For whatever reason I assumed it was a female! Posts: 3516 | Registered: Sep 2002
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I liked the beginning a lot, but it lost it somewhat when they went into space and it got all cartoony.
My pet peeve physics problem? Well, I didn't like the fact that they threw out perfectly good material that they should have been recycling, but I also was bothered by how long the fire extinguisher lasted.
And I'm surprised that conservatives aren't railing about the "stay the course" line.
And it makes no sense that the Axiom class WALL is larger than the Earth class WALL. The earth could have been cleaned up 1/100 the time if they'd left the big ones on earth.
My solution to the WALL•E soul problem? When Eve rebuilt him, and put him in sunlight, he should have rebooted without the Macintosh Reboot sound. then after the soulless excursion and Eve holding his hand, he should have made the reboot noise, indicating that the software was finally accessed by his processors. (Or that love had restored his soul...)
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quote:The technical explanation is provided for viewers that may not find a "movie magic" explanation acceptable.
Yeah, he means you people.
quote:And it makes no sense that the Axiom class WALL is larger than the Earth class WALL. The earth could have been cleaned up 1/100 the time if they'd left the big ones on earth.
On the Axiom, the garbage area is one big cavern without obstuctions or obstacles. It would be impossible to fit something that size in the adversity that was the surface of Earth. You can see how hard a time even WALL-E himself had traversing the terrain; a skyscraper-sized robot would never be able to get where WALL-E could.
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quote:Originally posted by Jon Boy: Notice that the official site of the movie uses a hyphen and not a centered dot.
I believe that URLs cannot contain either the asterisk or dot characters. Your evidence is not compelling.
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quote:Originally posted by Shanna: -The Axiom was "the jewel of the fleet" and video towards the beginning shows the launching of multiple space-crafts. So what happened to the rest of them?
They docked inside the jewel.
-I really love the song when Wall*E and EVE are "dancing" in space. Anyone know what its called on the soundtrack? I need to head over to Amazon and listen to the clips and see if any sound familiar.
It's called "Define Dancing". The same cue is also heard during the song "Introducing EVE" or something like that when she's flying around for the first time.
-There were some similarities to "Short Circuit" in Wall*E's design and personality. But the ending has also been bugging me. EVE replaced his circuitry and computer bits which of course disposed of his memory as evidenced by the lack of musical playback. So are we supposed to believe in a robotic soul? It made me think about the question regarding how much of our bodies can we replace before we lose our identity. I mean, I understand that emotions, curiosity, and original thought are supposed to be beyond a robot's ability anyway, but if this were a story about a human and their brain had been replaced, it would have bugged me equally. It's called 'movie magic'. It's a scientifically verified process by which the audience silently in their heads go "don't die (character)!", and magically, the character doesn't die! A happy ending! Audience reward for a long ardous 2 hours of emotional manipulation. I'm sure making money is somewhere in this equation too...
quote:Originally posted by rivka: I believe that URLs cannot contain either the asterisk or dot characters. Your evidence is not compelling.
Who said anything about URLs? I'm talking about text on the site. Though now that I look at it a little more, it appears they use the hyphen for plain text and the dot for anything Flash-based.
Can you give me a good reason for taking orthographic cues from graphic design work instead of established principles? In standard English orthography, the interpunct is not equivalent to the hyphen. Just because the graphic designers who created the logo liked the look of the dot doesn't mean that we should all slavishly follow their lead. After all, I don't see anyone insisting on writing the logo with a red circle around the 'E'.
And though I disagree with Bill Walsh on a lot of things, I think he makes a good argument here.
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Did anybody else instantly recognize Sigourney Weaver as the voice of the computer? That's so awesome.
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quote:Originally posted by rivka: I believe that URLs cannot contain either the asterisk or dot characters. Your evidence is not compelling.
Who said anything about URLs? I'm talking about text on the site. Though now that I look at it a little more, it appears they use the hyphen for plain text and the dot for anything Flash-based.
Can you give me a good reason for taking orthographic cues from graphic design work instead of established principles? In standard English orthography, the interpunct is not equivalent to the hyphen. Just because the graphic designers who created the logo liked the look of the dot doesn't mean that we should all slavishly follow their lead. After all, I don't see anyone insisting on writing the logo with a red circle around the 'E'.
And though I disagree with Bill Walsh on a lot of things, I think he makes a good argument here.
You're not the boss of me!
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I still think the intended name of the movie has the dot. And the red circle, for that matter. And I think both the hyphen (that I was using, actually) and the asterisk that different people were using are both legitimate representations of it. It's not a real word -- no matter how anyone spells it -- neh?
I wouldn't suggest that anyone actually use the dot when writing. Any implication that I was doing so was meant to be taken with tongue firmly in cheek . . .
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