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BannaOj
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Grin... I so wanted to learn Hebrew so that I could get past all the King James euphemisms. I think there were reason(s) why my parents only allowed a KJV translation.
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Yeah, I've got to say, the SoS pretty much ruined the way I look at goats today.
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I still don't get the "Thy breasts are as two young roes" line from SoS. I mean I know they are deer and it was supposed to be some sort of compliment, but all I can see is this woman with two deer heads sticking out in the appropriate place on the anatomy... Just didn't work for me.

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hmm guess we've got to rule out Proverbs too...
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Proverbs 5:19
Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love.

Song of Solomon 4:5
Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins, which feed among the lilies.

Song of Solomon 7:3
Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins.


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Carmina Burana introduced me to goats as symbols of sexuality. Who came up with that? And had they ever actually seen a goat?
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Song of Songs 8:10

"I am a wall and my breasts are like towers", according to the Gemarra: "I am a wall" - that is the Council of Israel, and "my breasts are like towers" - those are the "sages".

*Shakes head in disbelief.*

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I feel good about knowing Hebrew - and I'm studying all sorts of scholary stuff.

Of course, since Hebrew is all about roots, you can look at "בנאות דשא ירביצני" (Psalms 23:2) as one of the following:

1) He will lay me down in pastures (of grass);
2) He will tranquilise me in pastures (of grass);
3) He will beat me up on pastures (of grass);
4) He will beat me up with pastures of grass.

I will now translate Psalms 23 in two completely different ways:

1:

A song to David: the Lord is my shepherd; [thus] I shall not want. He lays me down in tranquil pastures: he leads me beside still waters. He restors my soul; he leades me in the paths of righteousness and justice in His name's sake. Shall I walk through the valley of death, I will fear no evil: for You are with me; your rod and your staff they comfort me. You prepare a table before me in the presence of my foes: You enriched my head with holy oil; my cup runs over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of God for ever.

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David's sing-sonnet, God's my sheperd whom I shall not miss. With pastures of grass He will beat me up; on waters of silence He will manage me. My soul He will chip, He'll show me through circles of justice for His name. Even if I walked in valleys of certain death I won't fear evil for you're with me; your tribe and support will give me condolence. You'd set before me a table vs. Evil; You fertilised my head with oil, my cup is full. But good and generousity will persecute me all the days of my life, and I returned at the house of God for long days.

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Hebrew is fun. And speaking the language has proved very useful to me over the years!

AJ, want me to teach you? [Wink]

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Wait till I get to Job!

"Will get lost, the day I was born on, and the night said - 'be pregnant, man'! That day shall be dark; do not demand it, God of above, and may it shall not have riverness appear upon it" (Job 3:3-4).

I love mistranslating the Bible! And you haven't seen me with the Aramaic sections yet!

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The King James Bible Supports Slavery and male domination
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Thank you for sharing.
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Now I'll have to learn Hebrew. Anybody know of guides online that will help? or is this one of those really complicated languages?
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in all honesty you cant really be that judgmenal about an author because of what he or she wrote. i know this from experienc that somethines you avhe to write things you may not particulary be found of. there are thigns you write because they make sense and they are an important part of making a story belivable, isnt that the only reason you read the books and wanted to reccomend the author to your feriends and family? this not to be mean and has already been mentioned earlier, but why would you not let your wife read a book because of it containing a sex scene, as you out it? is she not aware of such a concept? is she ignorent to the fact that she had to have sex to have kids? to adress the original topic these book are a greate read and i recomend them to anyone who wants to read them, if you read something, no matter the age, if it interests you ou will continue to do if you think its too sexualy discriptive or too violent based on what you have been tought, you will stop reading or just look beyond it. back to mraymus having frustrations about the books having sexual imagery, you cant say that you dont completely diagree with the concept becasue you would not have continued to read those books if you were as frustrated with them as you say you were. i am not flaming at you just strict observation.
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