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After all, there IS a difference in the ways to critizise, constructive or destructive. Whether the criticism is well-intentioned or not doesn't matter that much. If the criticism doesn't help the critisised to figure out how to do better next time, there shouldn't be any criticism at all.
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quote:By the way, I would not have known (from your writing) that you were a non-native speaker if you hadn't told us.
Wooahh... the time difference between Europe and U.S.A. is just killing me... It is between 11:30a.m. and 2:30p.m. in your world, isn't it?
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quote: Well, I don't see what was said as "snobbery". Make more sense?
Yes, it does, thanks. The apparent distinquishing factor is "thoughtfulness" and consideration, no? And, by "thoughtfulness" and consideration, I'm referring to the critics not the recipients of critique. Posts: 351 | Registered: Jan 2006
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quote:Originally posted by R. Ann Dryden: I happen to be a writer and a teacher and find it excruciating to read posts that are nearly illegible.
Oh, you're a TEACHER. Well then, that's different! I take back everything I said. You just keep on condescending to everyone who doesn't live up to your silly-assed standards.
quote:Originally posted by R. Ann Dryden: One of the many reasons I hang out at Hatrack is because by and large people here are able to express themselves using at least some semblance of the English language. I thought it was ironic that such a hard to read post was prefaced by the statement that he was now an A student.
Christ, you actually think this made sense, don't you? You actually thought this was a compelling argument. "It's so simple! All I want is for everyone to speak proper English! Is that so much to ask?" Well, yeah, it is, moron. Is it possible that you actually feel improper use of the language to be a deadlier sin than, say, belittling some friendly stranger just to boost your own stupid ego?
"Well, *I* happen to be a teacher." Good god.
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Yes, and using profanity and calling someone names just makes your argument so much more, what, truer?
What you - and others complaining about R Ann's rudeness - don't seem to get is that you have been far more rude to her than she ever was initially.
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quote:The apparent distinquishing factor is "thoughtfulness" and consideration, no? And, by "thoughtfulness" and consideration, I'm referring to the critics not the recipients of critique.
No. The distinguishing factor is saying something that's not overtly rude and is intended to help.
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I wasn't aware I was being rude. Thanks for pointing that out. I was only ever intending to help.
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If you are smart enough you do not need perfect grammer in order to understand what someone is trying to say. To all those complainers: get over it. This was a nice story that Locke had to tell... it't too bad some of you dimwits couldn't appreciate it because of your snobbery.
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If we can assume that Locke understands the principles of English composition, I think it would be more helpful to dissect the original post line by line. My writing is not too hot now, but it was even worse before my high school teacher took the time to show me how to express my thoughts coherently.
How about a Snoop Dogg version of the original post?
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i went back and fixed it!..this is online, and online for me i just take off my shoes and relax, i have a laid back style. My first post, i was heavily drugged and my arm hurt, never drug and post, ive learned. Whenever i have papers due I am thee most picky person when it comes to grammar and puuncuation in real life, its like going to the beach, and wearing a business suit and judging people for how they put their sun tan lotion..who cares, its their skin not yours. Just drop it already
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Cool story, Locke. Considering the number of books you put out (28 or 45?), it's not that surprising that eventually you would bump into someone with one.
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Some people are dedicated that way. I for one am grateful there isn't a signature option on this forum.
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quote:Originally posted by Pinky: I strongly agree with Jiminy and Running Bear: There is no use to be that infantile, is there?
Excuse me? It seems to me that Jiminy is the most infantile poster on this thread. All I see from him are insults and invective.
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Yes, regarding the word choice and the degree of hostility in Jiminiy's post. The "pissing"- part etc. was all but..uh..mature. But when I read this "don't match those of an A-Student"-stuff, I only thought of how much it must have hurt Locke to read that, whether or not it's true. I would have been hurt, so I was glad that there was someone who did not agree with R. Ann Dryden's first post. Okay? Posts: 262 | Registered: Feb 2006
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quote:Originally posted by R. Ann Dryden: I certainly had no intent to offend and apologise for doing so. I happen to be a writer and a teacher and find it excruciating to read posts that are nearly illegible.
One of the many reasons I hang out at Hatrack is because by and large people here are able to express themselves using at least some semblance of the English language. I thought it was ironic that such a hard to read post was prefaced by the statement that he was now an A student. The entire purpose of posting is to communicate with others, why not write in such a way that the maximum amount of people can be reached? I don't think that's snobbery. Just common sense.
Your defensive spiel here does indicate (at least to me) that you seem to value form over substance. I have been highly annoyed at how often fellow hatracker waste time criticizing eachothers grammer, spelling and typing. There are forums where such things are important, but an online message board is not one of them. I do try to write well when I post, but doing so takes time and thought since I am not a naturally gifted writer. As a result I post rarely. However, if someone wants to share his or her thoughts, feeling and experineces and doesn't have a natural gift for flowery prose or the time to compose elequently, cut them some slack and reach out to them yourself. If you don't like what you read, go read another thread and keep your grammer sniping to yourself.
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Nice post, JLM. I would have liked it more if you had questioned her intelligence a few times, and maybe thrown in a crude joke about her sister, but it was still quite good.
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I tend to jump on grammar mistakes myself these days. What newcomers eventually realize is that at Hatrack, to be taken seriously, one needs to "talk" in a mature manner, punctuation and all, most of the time.
There seems to be a higher standard here in comparison to other internet fora that I've visited. This is a good thing IMO, and one finds that the people who have been here for the long haul share the opinion that grammar and punctuation matter.
What bothers me is that folks think they can slack off because this is the internet. OSC has said before that he considers Hatrack as his "living room", a place for interesting and intelligent conversations on just about everything. One has to remember that these are real people participating in online discussions, and just because we are using a different mode of communication doesn't mean we can be any less mature about the way we speak to others, especially people we don't know.
That said, I do agree that sometimes jatraqueros come off as a little snooty in the grammar department. But it's a simple matter to avoid--use better grammar or go try a different forum where you can talk to others in the way you like. It really isn't that big of a deal.
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