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la.SOMA
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There are a million possibilities with the decoladores. just because of things stated in the series about the descolada and what we know thus far doesn't mean they are accurate to what it could be. couldnt the estimate of how long the descolada had been on the planet be wrong? the only other thing that could tell us how long it had been around is by planter's story.. i think he said that story has been around for 29 generations. if it were HUMAN generations that's 580 years or more. but how long is a piggie generation? he mentions something about how his forest even that old i think.. so if we could know how old his forest is then we can get an idea of how long the descolada was on the planet for. well.. as long as it's less than 580 years old. otherwise.. we could at least assume that it's CLOSE to whatever age the forest is.

i dunno.. personally i dont want any of the shadow series characters be the descoladors. it'd take the romance i have in my head away of there being a new alien race.. highly advanced no less.

if there was a connection to the descoladors and a shadow series character, though.. my money is volescu. he was sent away.. but he was also under IF control.. also an amazing geneticist that could be released under starways congress in order to make planets habitable.

i just dont want them to be HUMAN. i dont even want them to be described with any human features. there were some good speculations in CotM worth following.

the "give a brick or sandwich" thing.. giving them a reward or punishment. i kind of picture them as having something less of a hive-mind but also something more than how the father trees communicate.

i dunno.. i guess i didnt think a lot of this through lemme know if you guys can give me some insight

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quote:
Originally posted by la.SOMA:
couldnt the estimate of how long the descolada had been on the planet be wrong? the only other thing that could tell us how long it had been around is by planter's story.. i think he said that story has been around for 29 generations. if it were HUMAN generations that's 580 years or more. but how long is a piggie generation? he mentions something about how his forest even that old i think.. so if we could know how old his forest is then we can get an idea of how long the descolada was on the planet for. well.. as long as it's less than 580 years old. otherwise.. we could at least assume that it's CLOSE to whatever age the forest is.

I'm going to reference all of the quotes from SftD of when the descolada reached Lusitania:

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By Pipo, page 42
"The cataclysm (descolada) might have been fairly recent--half a million years ago..."

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By Gusto, page 134
"The Descolada may be fairly recent--only half a million years old--and most species couldn't adapt."

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By Ela, page 216
"Whatever the predator was that forced the cabra to develop that behavior pattern, it's gone. And only recently--in the last hundred thousand years, the last million years maybe...I think it was a disease...Everything comes back to the Descolada."

The most "recent" estimate given by these quotes is 100,000 years for when the descolada came to the planet. Two say 500,000 years.

Here's some math for you: the oldest living trees in our world (right now the record-holder is a bristlecone pine named Methuselah) are about 5,000 years old. Multiply that by 30 generations (include Skysplitter because he was "old") and you get 150,000 years. This is based upon Earth trees, of course, and we don't know how old fathertrees can be.

There is no logical way that the descolada arrived anytime after humans began interstellar travel. Evolution takes thousands of years. Skysplitter's story was passed over thousands of years. Even if the scientists' estimates were off, they wouldn't be off enough to land the descolada on Lusitania in the last 3,000 years. It just wouldn't make sense.

Oh, here's reference on Skysplitter's story:
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From Xenocide, page 505

"How old is that war?"

"Skysplitter's War was twenty-nine generations ago. Our own forest isn't that old. But we carried songs and stories with us from our father-forest."

"That part of the story about the sky and the stars, that could be a lot older, though, couldn't it?"

"Very old. The fathertree Skysplitter died long ago. He might have been very old even when the war took place."


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quote:
Originally posted by la.SOMA:

the "give a brick or sandwich" thing.. giving them a reward or punishment. i kind of picture them as having something less of a hive-mind but also something more than how the father trees communicate.

i dunno.. i guess i didnt think a lot of this through lemme know if you guys can give me some insight

Don't forget, the whole genetic molecule thing was just one type of transmission out of many. I don't have the exact quote in front of me, but I do remember that it just happened to be the only type of transmission Jane could decode.

While the whole "super heroin" incident suggests that the stream is some sort of transmission mechanism, we have no idea how much or what role it plays in their overall communications.

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quote:
Originally posted by kristina msp:
i have no idea if anyone has said this yet, but....what if the Beanie Babies ARE the Descoladores (spelling?)....and the reason that they mess with genes (and do it so well) is because 1) they are super smart...and 2) they HAVE to mess with genes just to keep themselves alive..fighting the giantism and such... and there would be a ton of reasons why they could have the need to "send out" viruses.... just a thought??

I also had that idea, because of the whole biotech that is being used to comunacate with Miro and his team but If thats the case then theres no problem or delema and without a problem in the book it's not going to be a very interesting read...
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I'm surprised this thread has revived.

I'm going to stray tangentially from the central theme, but I feel they are or will be connected in the end.

Right now, as of the end of Children of the Mind, Peter, Valentine, and Valentine/Jane are the most dangerous and feared people in the 100 Worlds.

They just easily defeated Star Congress's fleet. They have exclusive control of faster than light travel. They have reversed Congresses control of the people of Path. Worse yet, they reversed that control in a way that the people of Path, I feel, eventually knew about.

Keep in mind that Jane's 'faster then lightspeed' travel is far more complicated than simply getting in a starship and getting there fast. Jane can transport anyone anywhere. She can transport soldier directly into Starships. She can transport an army into the Halls of Congress if she so chooses.

Politicians don't usually sit by idly when faced with such a perceived threat.

Further, in the final books, there is plenty of evidence that Congress has not acted in the most ethical manner. It would only take a little rabble rousing to turn the tide against them.

I see huge potential for conflict as Peter/Jane/Valentine try to reform Congress and as Congress fight to maintain its political and economic control.

Further, from Congresses perspective, Peter has huge armies at his control. He has the Formics, a proven warring race, on his side and they are multiplying like rabbits on Viagra. He has the Pequinos (sp?) who are also multiplying rapidly. Both the Bugger and the Piggies are on planets that are out of the control of Congress. That has to seem like a huge threat of war to Congress. If not war, then certainly a threat to their power, control, and authority in the 100 Worlds and beyond.

Now bring into this tention, a group of genius beyond genius Beanie Babies, and the deck is stacked hugely in Peter's favor.

Though I don't see Peter seeking war or conflict, but I do see him trying to make so political reforms that Congress won't like. I suspect Peter will offer to share Faster Than Light Travel. But Congress and typical politicians don't like what they can't control. To them, faster than light travel Jane style, is a way of extending there control over the military and economic interests of the 100 Worlds. It give them immense power and leverage in their world. Be nice and generous to us or your goods will take 100 years to reach their destination instead of 10 minutes.

But I don't see Jane playing that game. I see her to the limited extent possible, trying to be fair in making Faster Than Light Travel available.

Like I said, Congress and politicians don't like what they can't control to their own advantage.

Further, I wonder just how far Jane can expand Faster Than Light Travel. If Peter and Val/Jane have kids will they be tapped into the Grid? Will they be able to assist? Will the Mother Trees and or the Father Trees be able to implement FTLT independent of Jane?

I think there is plenty of room for answering unanswered questions and for conflict in the Shadows in Flight book. And I see a real place for the Beanie Babies in all this conflict.

If Congress really knew what they were up against, I think they would surrender immediately.

Just a few thoughts.

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Basically all of Peter and the gang's power comes from Jane, and if they start pushing congress around too much, is there anything that stops them from disconnecting the computers from the ansibles again? I know that Jane can still manage FTL travel to some extent by using the mother trees, but to quote Peter, it's not "wholly adequate or satisfactory".

The new Peter is essentially a combination of Ender and the original Peter, and if there's one thing that the Wiggin brothers had in common it's that they achieved victory by out-smarting and out-maneuvering their enemies. They never had superior force on their sides. Quite the contrary, in fact. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if it comes down to Peter and the others against congress (or against the Descoladores) OSC is going to need some kind of Jane kryponite. Between being able to move anything anywhere and being able to create anything they can imagine Outside, Jane could be the ultimate deus ex machina

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Originally posted by neo-dragon:
OSC is going to need some kind of Jane kryponite. Between being able to move anything anywhere and being able to create anything they can imagine Outside, Jane could be the ultimate deus ex machina.

I thought Jane was pretty much deus ex machina from the moment she was introduced in Speaker--she's in every computer, has all recorded human knowledge at her disposal, can monitor practically any activity connected to the ansible system...

Ender had to turn off Jane in Speaker for the plot conflicts to pick up, and Jane had to be incapacitated in Xenocide/Children to keep the plot progressing there as well. I think Ender in Exile is pre-Jane (not sure on this, though). For any story that Jane's in to be truly interesting, she has to be sidelined.

One theory for the Shadows in Flight linker book: Jane's new physical body (Young Val) causes problems somehow. I don't know, but I think you're right, neo-dragon, somebody needs to assassinate Jane. Otherwise every Enderverse story will be happily-ever-after.

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I don't think Jane or Val/Jane need to die, but without a doubt Congress will understand the power and importance she represents, and will, without a doubt, try to find some way to control her. That will be their first grave mistake.

Young Peter is shrewd and a brilliant strategist. He carried not Ender but a sense of Ender with him. He is not to be trifled with by anyone who expects to survive the encounter.

While I didn't dwell on it, most certainly Jane's power and Val/Jane's physical body represent both threat and vulnerabilities to Congress and the businessmen who control Congress. And I think the attempts to capture and control Jane must certainly be a big part of the conflict.

I see a lot of story here that I am very eager to read. Though to keep myself from being too disappointed, when I read, I try to take a 'take it as it comes' attitude.

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Bean will be dead. But his children will most likely be in there early teens by the time shadows in flight takes place. That means that they will already be showing signs of giantism and the descolada might work in rearanging there genectics. Because in a sense they are not human but they are the closest thing one can get to being human while still being ramen. So Anton's key might act as a self-sacrificing defense in that it might turn itself off in the process of neutralizing the descoloda. I read this entire thread and no one thought of that as a possibility. But the question is how do they get to Lusitania well New Peter might be able to access old Peter's ansible transmissions between himsellf and Graff and find that one of his brother' friends who ended up being old Peters ally, Bean, is still in space somewhere. So New Peter will thusly have jane use the Outside to bring Bean's children to Lusitania and help them or for all we know it could be the Recolada that saves Bean's kids.
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quote:
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Bean will be dead. But his children will most likely be in there early teens by the time shadows in flight takes place. That means that they will already be showing signs of giantism and the descolada might work in rearanging there genectics. Because in a sense they are not human but they are the closest thing one can get to being human while still being ramen. So Anton's key might act as a self-sacrificing defense in that it might turn itself off in the process of neutralizing the descoloda. I read this entire thread and no one thought of that as a possibility. But the question is how do they get to Lusitania well New Peter might be able to access old Peter's ansible transmissions between himsellf and Graff and find that one of his brother' friends who ended up being old Peters ally, Bean, is still in space somewhere. So New Peter will thusly have jane use the Outside to bring Bean's children to Lusitania and help them or for all we know it could be the Recolada that saves Bean's kids.

I was under the assumption that the godspoken of the planet of path was the result of research into antons key by the IF then later SC, so the cure is already there, if that is the case. Of course over the years instead of curing bean and kids they became more pre-occupied with a race of subservient geniuses.
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quote:
In A Song of Ice and Fire, Martin hasn't killed the main protagonist yet; he just did a bit of a fake-out in the first book by killing someone you thought was the protagonist.
That person was undeniably the protagonist up to their death. Obviously after said death they weren't the protagonist any longer.

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If ASOIAF ends with Dany and Jon Snow's deaths, then you have a point.
And if they do die, what will prevent you from claiming that one to be a fake out too, and that the real protagonists are Arya and Tyrion?
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quote:
Originally posted by ricree101:
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Originally posted by kristina msp:
i have no idea if anyone has said this yet, but....what if the Beanie Babies ARE the Descoladores (spelling?)....and the reason that they mess with genes (and do it so well) is because 1) they are super smart...and 2) they HAVE to mess with genes just to keep themselves alive..fighting the giantism and such... and there would be a ton of reasons why they could have the need to "send out" viruses.... just a thought??

It's been speculated before, but the timeline doesn't really fit. The descolada has been around for way to long for Bean or his descendants to have anything to do with it. Especially since there were a whole bunch of planets with proto-Descolada viruses on them. Unless mr Card decides to introduce some sort of lame time travel into the equation, it just doesn't fit.
This is my first time posting, and I find it quite possible that the time line doesn't fit, but this is almost exactly what I was thinking. With a small difference. I've been thinking that Beans children (possibly thousands of years ago) landed on the descoladores planet and merged with the population, survived on their own...or whatever, but that this time on the planet they modify the descolada to get back at the human race (due to incorrect notions as to how Bean ended up on the ship away from his children) Sort of the way Bean's final child in Ender in Exile was raised, except that Bean wouldn't tell them anything so they drew their own conclusions. I was also thinking about the way the blue-eyed people in the worthing saga ended up developing their powers and thought that this would play a part. Tell me what you guys think of this?
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Originally posted by adocun:
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Originally posted by ricree101:
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Originally posted by kristina msp:
i have no idea if anyone has said this yet, but....what if the Beanie Babies ARE the Descoladores (spelling?)....and the reason that they mess with genes (and do it so well) is because 1) they are super smart...and 2) they HAVE to mess with genes just to keep themselves alive..fighting the giantism and such... and there would be a ton of reasons why they could have the need to "send out" viruses.... just a thought??

It's been speculated before, but the timeline doesn't really fit. The descolada has been around for way to long for Bean or his descendants to have anything to do with it. Especially since there were a whole bunch of planets with proto-Descolada viruses on them. Unless mr Card decides to introduce some sort of lame time travel into the equation, it just doesn't fit.
This is my first time posting, and I find it quite possible that the time line doesn't fit, but this is almost exactly what I was thinking. With a small difference. I've been thinking that Beans children (possibly thousands of years ago) landed on the descoladores planet and merged with the population, survived on their own...or whatever, but that this time on the planet they modify the descolada to get back at the human race (due to incorrect notions as to how Bean ended up on the ship away from his children) Sort of the way Bean's final child in Ender in Exile was raised, except that Bean wouldn't tell them anything so they drew their own conclusions. I was also thinking about the way the blue-eyed people in the worthing saga ended up developing their powers and thought that this would play a part. Tell me what you guys think of this?
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Bean's children probably wouldn't have landed on the planet thousands of years ago, considering only about three thousand years have passed between when Bean left and the Speaker trilogy. You also have to take into account that although it would take not much time subjectively for the travelers, objective time is still passing while they are in flight. Spatially it could be a very large distance between Earth and the descolada planet, considering that it was far beyond one of the "frontiers" of human settlement of the time, Lusitania. I am clueless when it comes to numbers, but I doubt that there would be enough time left over for a Worthing-esque planet to emerge. (Not to mention there would have to be extreme incest for such a thing to get rolling.)

I don't think it would be the same story if Ender's children met this random alien race of humans compared to meeting Bean's immediate children, and I'm fairly sure that OSC has mentioned that the latter is the book would be about. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a meeting between Bean's clan and the descoladores was somehow part of the plot, but I don't think it would happen the way you described. That would mean OSC would be reusing story points from not one but two separate novels (Exile and Worthing) and even though something like somec/stasis has apparently bridged the gap, I still like to think that the next book would be something unexpected rather than recycled. To me that's the difference between an original novel and fanfiction.

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Keep in mind that, as other have pointed out, the Beanie Babies have only existed for 3,000 years. The Driscoladeros have existed for ten's, if not the far more likely hundreds of thousand of years, and possibly millions of years.

Keep in mind the Driscoladeros had to evolve to the level where they could do genetic engineering on the scale that they do. Then they had to evolve to the point where they could send their genetic code to various planets. Then those planets that received the new genetic code had to themselves evolve. That kind of evolution does not occur in 3,000 years.

So, the Driscoladeros are much older than the Beanie Babies by many thousands of years, if not thousands of centuries.

I suspect the Beanie Babies role will be, once they are themselves cured, to help the humans on Lusitania solve the mystery of the Driscoladeros.

Also, of course, as I hinted at before, the Beanie Babies will help Peter to challenge and change the Starways Congress. But, I won't go into that again, it can be found in my previous posts.

Driscoladeros - I'm sure that is probably not the right spelling, but I confess myself too lazy to look it up.

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I haven't read this whole post, but I just got done reading a few ones like it..so I don't know if this has been said yet...but who's to say that the Beanie Babies have to make there way to Lusitania now? Because of FTL travel now, they may never set foot on Lusitania.


Also


I always pondered the idea that the Lusitanians are descendants of Peter and Petra (and Bean's non-Anton) children. Lusitiania has Portuguese speaking people on it, Peter and Petra raised their children in Brazil , a Portuguese speaking country. And the children would naturally have married Brazilian people, if they stayed in the community.

In this case, Card is also giving us a glimpse at Bean's other babies, and there descendants.

Is it at least fathomable, however unlikely, that Card could hint at some relation to this?

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Hello All. I read the forums often but I just signed up today. I am a huge fan of OSC and have read almost all of his books/series.

Ender is of course my favorite. I probably have a deeper connection to him since my name is also Andrew. haha. but on to my point....

I have been reading this thread along with the Shadows in flight thread and a thought came to me.

I believe that bean will probably be dead when Shadows In Flight begins. He was already getting pretty close to his limit at the end of Giant, and this was one of the reasons that he left.

I think that Jane will come across the bean babies routine and make initial contact. From there she will instantly tell peter & miro. They in turn will ask that she bring them home.

Bean (being a good father) would have told the kids stories about Ender, Peter, Petra, and so forth. They would have studied history and read the hive queen & Hedgemon (considering everybody reads it and they are geniuses). When they meet peter they will expect an explanation of his existence. They will be wondering how a man that supposedly lived with their father 3k years ago is still alive. Then they will find out that Ender actually conjured Peter & Valentine on their first trip outside.

Who is to say that the Bean Babies would not be so attached to their father that they plot to do the same with bean. All it would take is 1 genius bean baby to put the image of their father & his aiua into their head when one of them goes outside for the first time, and BOOM, bean is back. Or heck, they are smart, they put images of petra, bean and all their brothers & sisters into their heads and presto... the delphiki family is united.

Now I'm not saying this is 100%, but so far only ender has brought back somebody else. Afterward we learned that Jane started doing the whole outside thing quick enough for human brains not to notice.... but the bean babies are not human. They are smarter then that. Will she make adjustments for that, or will it not even matter.

I for one would not be suprised that when the first bean babie goes outside, that we see some kind of creation come out of the journey. Even though they are not human, that doesnt mean they wont love or miss their father enough to wish bean back into existence.

Obviously a lot of this is speculation. but I thought I might toss that out there for discussion.

let me know what you all think about my 1st post!

i will try not to make it my last.

*currently reading Hidden Empire** OSC is awesome.

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I need to make a correction. miro brought back his new body. but that wasnt another person. just a new version of himself. and again, jane supposedly made adjustments to make sure that didnt happen again.

but will her adjustments work for the bean babies is my question.

i am sure that OSC tosses a few turns our way.

he always does!

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OSC seems to show a pattern of never truly resolving every issue in any of his books. However, the subject matter of Shadows in Flight is most likely a subject of particular interest due to the simple fact that the manner in witch there giantism issue is resolved is particularly obvious to anyone who has read all of the speaker trillogy (I don't care if anyone wants to call it the "Ender quartet", speaker for the dead and on is a completely different subject from Ender's Game to me) and has finished Shadow of the Giant.

Along with this obvious resolution, that being that a supper splicer based on the descolada is the only thing that can cure an already living person of a genetic condition. It also strikes me that the research that allowed the "God spoken" in Xenocide to become what they were was likely a direct result of the project for Bean's cure being started. The only difference is that Bean and his kids would be even smarter that the people of Path as they are now due to the simple fact that they have larger brain capacity.

Also, if someone involved with the Hegemony put anything in to Jane's program involving funding for Bean, then Jane can not help but know about Bean and will call him out of hyperspace as soon as the hubub with Lucitania just barely avoiding destruction all dies down due to the fact that she already knows there is a cure. And if there is nothing like that in her program to tip her off, then she will likely figure it out when Bean's ship is the only one that dose not instantly take up her offer to instantly transport them to there destination with a jump outside.

These are all the obvious conclusions that can be drawn from what OSC has already written. Outside of that, it is his privilege to make up the new things that seround the predictable outcome, or even take a less that obvious rout for the sake of making the story interesting. Whatever he dose with this, I am eagerly awaiting Shadows in Flight.

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I don't see Bean dead in Shadows in Flight; in fact I see something similiar to the 'rebirth' of ender/peter in Children of the Mind for Bean and his children. Somehow, Jane has to be ignorant of Bean and his children; therefore when he comes out of his flight she will pick up on it and they will do something similiar for him and his children. It's what I would do for such an inspiring and great character.
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