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Are orcs truly evil? Or are they just people enslaved and enamored in modern technology slaves to its will, unable to break out because of the fact that they are in fear, awe, and wonder of modern machinery? Just a question.
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From what I understand, Morgoth twisted and changed the elves in the dark ages of the world, so I'm guessing that when that happened, he made them actually evil, hating themselves and anything of beauty and peace. So, yeah, actually evil. He probably also engineered them to be easy to control, as well.
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Lurtz from FOTR was a hunky guy. Tall, dark mysterious, sort of a bad boy image. With the right girl to change him I am sure he would be quite a catch.
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i read somewhere in TTT that trolls were maid sort of like ents (a weird copy of them ) and orcs are supposed to be like elves. I realy liked the orsa in TTT. some of them were sooo cool.
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I was under the impression that something had been "done" to elves - genetic manipulation? to turn them into orcs. Arwen's mother had been captured and "tormented" by orcs, and I always interpreted that as rape.
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Orcs, Trolls, Ents, Goblins, Uruk-Hai are all NOT created from the earth.
They are all products of a computer similated world known as "Middle Earth" designed to turn an ordinary stream of 1's and 0's into what you see on the screen.
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Some years back I bought a review book called Master of Middle-Earth about all of Tolkien's work. The author (whoever he was) argued from the nature of Tolkien's cosmology that Tolkien wasn't trying to portray orcs as inherently evil. ("Nothing is evil in the beginning...even Sauron was not so.") Unfortunately, I don't have the book around anymore and don't remember much of his arguments. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
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Yeah. The basic idea is that nothing is truly evil until pride and force of will makes it so. Then there's no turning back. I can't really see an orc saint, they're practically animals.
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I was also under the impression that elves had been tortured and 'changed' into orcs a while ago (sorry about the vague time period).
I have a friend who thinks 'the little blue orc' is cute. I'm sure there's some good in the orcs somewhere...
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At one point there was a movement to label Tolkien Racist. After all, there are the inherently EVIL races and the inherently GOOD ones, and the JUST GREEDY Dwarves.
While Race and lineange play an important role in the books, I believe that personal choice and moral choice define who is evil and who is good.
Why are there no "Good" Orcs? Because their social structure would have ensured they died very young.
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Yeah, I say the touch of a rogue and thoroughly evil god defeats environment as far as being evil goes. Orcs in therapy doesn't mean progress as much as it does a bunch of digested psychiatrists.
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Well, all I have to say is that Frasier Crane is probably really tender. With the proper seasoning, of course.
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