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Toby Keith: Nouveau country, old school aggression put to music.
Can anyone come up with a single way that 'Courtesy of the Red White and Blue' is helping foster good will toward America? Sure it's a catchy tune that many in the armed forces have made their theme-- but do we really want the American way equated with putting footwear up our enemies' collective behinds?
It's HIS type of aggression, more than anything that the Left has said or done that makes me especially leery of this war and the path that we're taking. The celebratory attitude toward violence. . . bleah.
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quote:It's HIS type of aggression, more than anything that the Left has said or done that makes me especially leery of this war and the path that we're taking.
Wouldn't Toby Keith be considered right wing? And I don't really care for him either, but hey, at least somebody found a way to make some money off this war.
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“ Oh, ho, ho, irony! Oh, no, no, we don't get that here. See, uh, people ski topless here while smoking dope, so irony's not really a, a high priority. We haven't had any irony here since about, uh, '83, when I was the only practitioner of it. And I stopped because I was getting tired of being stared at. “
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quote: Can anyone come up with a single way that 'Courtesy of the Red White and Blue' is helping foster good will toward America? Sure it's a catchy tune that many in the armed forces have made their theme-- but do we really want the American way equated with putting footwear up our enemies' collective behinds?
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Rhaegar, I dislike anything that adds to the image of the US as a five-year-old boy playing King of the Mountain.
I would so prefer to be the cool Aunt with a dramatic flair, who can dive with Tool and jive with the Temptations, who knows all the neat people and yet would spend time making origami with a lonely little guy next door.
But then, that's just my preference, and there's room in the US for all sorts of ideas. (I just can't get down with the foot-in-the-heinie thing, as it's kind of like ... throwing spitballs, or sniggering at boobies, you know?)
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Yeah, you all prove it. Liberals are just un American. Anyone who criticizes the words to Toby Keith’s Angry American needs to move. Like Darrel Worley’s song says they need to show the images of the towers coming down everyday, because you have forgotten.
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I am for America, right or wrong: when right, to be kept right, and when wrong, to be put right. That's my duty as a citizen, and hard as it may be, I will give my country the very best I can be.
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Toby has pretty much drifted into "I Suck" land, as has all of country music. Even Dolly's latest bluegrass album sucks because she wrote most of the songs.
I loved the video for Toby's song My List.
Unfortunately, that song was written before 9-11 and everything he's done since smacks (as so eloquently stated before) of some five-year-old throwing a fit.
As much as I hate Natalie Maines for trashing Bush outside of America, the Dixie Chicks' latest album was an absoulutely marvelous creation from start to finish. It even has a Radney Foster song!!!
Oh yeah, and all copies of that Have You Forgotten song need to be put on the next satelite bound for Jupiter.
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I was going more for the Cary Grant sort of vibe, regardless of gender. I chose "Aunt" because I'm at that stage in my life when I identify aunts as intrinsically cool.
(Is transsexuality something you found implied in my description, Krankykat, or was it something else about RuPaul which fit particularly well? I'm not understanding you -- and I promise, it's an honest question. Heck, David Bowles strikes me as more fitting the description: he's cool, he's a nice guy, he's witty, and he keeps his cool. But perhaps I still misunderstand?)
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When I think RuPaul, I think "big blonde cotton-candy hair," then I think "successfulful transexual," neither of which was what I was going for. I think maybe the high arched brow of Sophia Loren, or perhaps the acerbic wit and piercing eyes of Kate Hepburn (who dressed like she didn't care, but in the most careful way, which was totally cool). I still don't get it. Posts: 14017 | Registered: May 2000
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quote: ...who can dive with Tool and jive with the Temptations, who knows all the neat people and yet would spend time making origami with a lonely little guy next door.
Yea CT, implied in your discription could have been Micheal Jackson, too. But RuPaul seems more the Aunty type. (Your BD comments are perplexing, though.)
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Leonard Cohen, Sean Connery, Pierre Troudeau, Cosima Wagner, Jimmy Stewart, Lauran Bacall, Dorothy Parker, Leonarde DaVinci ... you know, classy with a capital "C." Cool.
Admire breasts, lust mightily, dare a quizzical glance that lingers too long = Yes. Snigger at boobies = No.
Fight the good fight, uphold justice and equity, do the hard task with grace and style = Yes. Talk about sticking one's shoe up someone's heinie = No.
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So ... Tool is effeminate? Motown is effeminate? Being nice to kids is effeminate? (I don't get it, Kranky. Again, I promise -- not being deliberately obtuse.)
And BD = David Bowles? again
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CT, just to be clear - you're talking about the characters the actors in your list play or played, right? My understanding is that at least one of them does not meet anyone's definition of "classy" in real life.
When I call up a face of "America" - one that has different politics than my own, but I am nonetheless proud of - it's Hank Hill that comes up.
(PS - Let me know if your read my response on Greg Pence on the thread I don't want to bump. And when you might feel up to a little follow-up on it.) Posts: 4344 | Registered: Mar 2003
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Yes, characters. Icons/symbols. (I don't know about you, but plenty of famous people would give me the willies in real life.) But the feel of class should be there for my country, even if the reality is still being pursued, you know? Hank Hill is a decent guy. He would Do The Right Thing, even if it's not my right thing. And he'd give Bobby a good talking to if Bobby embarrassed his mom with talk like that. The obsession with propane, though, that's another story.
(I will reread the thread. Thanks! My yahoomail is down right now (?), but I eagerly await its return.)
EDIT: Yeah, we'll email. I think you would like him, and I'm certain he'd be interested in hearing your perspective.
PPS: Sean Connery and his crack about women needing to be hit? Just curious.
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Hank Hill is cool sometimes. Then he gets a little too hyper patriotic, nagging Bobby over being himself yes-mannish and that annoys me... But pick up trucks are cool. I wish i had a dark blue one. A Dodge as long as it doesn't guzzle too much gas.
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Just to clarify, Toby Keith has a fairly long career, and many songs that have nothing to do with politics, and many of them are really good.
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CT: Connery made cracks about "justified" hitting of women on more than one occasion. Yeah, he's the one.
Everyone: I'm an unabashed Hank Hill fan. He does his best to do right in a world that seems as bizarre to him as it does to me (although mostly not for the same reasons).
Favorite line from last week's episode (at the risk of ending up in the "out of context" thread):
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I find it quite frightening that there are people who think this is true.
Slash, really it was true. His stuff was great right through the "How Do You Like Me Now" album. He's just a caricature now. Now that his music sucks bigtime, he's a country superstar. Go figure.
Same thing happened to Gary Allan. His first albums were different sounding, right up through "Smoke Rings in the Dark." Now, he sucks, and he's a country superstar. I just don't get it.
Luckily for me, I have rediscovered good rock, so I don't miss country at all.
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Some country music I like. I was being tortured on a road trip once by Celine Dion and Country music It was the lessor of two evils, I guess. Plus songs like She Thinks My Tractor's Sexy is funny and Just to See You Smile is so cute.
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Dang. I hate men that care more about their trucks than their kids and wives (Watching King of the Hill) And I still haven't heard any of these songs yet...
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um, have you watched King of the Hill, or are you just responding to some stereotype you have of rednecks?
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CT... being obtuse is usually not deliberate. Perhaps I should have added little smiley faces so you would not have my comments so personally.
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i have watched it a lot, so much that it now annoys me. I saw some old episode with Hank and he seemed to like his truck better than his son. that is annoying, but I am one to talk since I love music more than almost anything.
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quote: Man I was readin to come in and say I love you O'douls!
Rhaegar
I love you too Rhager. Always have.
And as for Toby keith's lyrics:
"I can't call in sick on Monday when the weekend's been too strong. I just work straight through the holiday, sometimes all night long. Now I don't want to die for you but If dying's asked of me, I'll bear that cross with honor, because freedom don't come free. Im an American Soldier." Toby Keith American Soldier
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go ro www.tobykeith.com and check out the video for that song. It's very touching. Made me tingle.
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