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Slash the Berzerker
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I hope it at least works for him.
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That is awesome! [ROFL]
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YIKES!

I saw a news show on this once, about 10 years or so ago. Some were against it, some where for it. Apparently in Sweden, some guy was serving a prison sentance for raping 27 women, so he was voluntarily castrated so he would stop. Apparently, it worked...for obvious reasons....

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Well, don't know about the guy in Texas, but for the guy in Sweden, it's really hard to gauge the effectiveness of the castration when the biggest barrier to raping women is being locked up with a lot of men. Unless he'd started raping men in prison - not unheard of at all - but they're not claiming that. Or am I missing something?
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I don't know. I saw the program when I was about 11 or 12 and not quite sure what castration was. I know it was the removal of the round dangly bits on a guy, but as for the purpose of the dangly bits, I wasn't quite sure.

It was a long time ago.

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I don't know. I don't think that a person with the mentality to sexually abuse children would stop just because he had his "round dangly bits" removed.
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I don't understand how he could NOT stop without round dangley bits....
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It depends.

If sexual excitement is part of the molestation process, then castration can work. If those two things are tied together, then loss of all sex drive can sometimes remove the desire to molest as well.

However, certain molestation pathologies are not tied to sexual stimulation. Those people in my mind are the worst kind of monsters, and are often not cured by loss of sex drive.

In this case, he is actually eligible for shortened sentence based on the castration, which is the appeal of the surgery to someone like him.

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I hope they gave him some Neuticals!
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Actually, it happens. Check out the behavior of castrated dogs sometime. Not all of them behave the way you'd expect them to. (response to Gwan)

[ March 03, 2004, 03:37 PM: Message edited by: sndrake ]

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Hmm--that makes sense.

Those who do it for sexual kicks, it may work. Those who do it for power, it won't.

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What I am saying is they cna't actually preform the physical act without a penis... I believe it is nessecary in such things....
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quote:
In this case, he is actually eligible for shortened sentence based on the castration, which is the appeal of the surgery to someone like him.
Or maybe the appeal to him is that he thinks it will eliminate his urge to rape little kids....
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If it's about power then it doesn't matter. They can use other things like their hands or a bottle or basically anything
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Tres:

That too. I think he probably does feel that way. However, he would not be able to rape kids in prison either. So it is a combination of getting to leave early, plus not raping anyone after he leaves.

[ March 03, 2004, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: Slash the Berzerker ]

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Gwan,

According to my dictionary, "castration" refers to "removal of the testes."

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EW! I didn't think of that .... Yuck! [Eek!]
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You know, to be honest, I respect the idea of "I don't want to spend my life in prison, but I also don't want to rape little kids. Here, whack off my sack."

There is a certain sad nobility to such a choice.

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I geusse I was thinking they'd remove the intire thing.... but i didn't really think about it... but wouldn't he still be incapab;e of an erection without testicles?
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**Definitely NOT an onanism thread**
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Yeah Slash. I mean, he must feel that he really has a problem and that this is his best hope for overcoming it.
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I even think it might be a bit more than I want to get out of prison. It sounds like this guy might want to be cured of those urges, and this is a method of doing it.

Gwan,

You can rape someone without a penis. If it is a power play, there are plenty of things you can do to violate someone in a number of ways.

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(realizes how stupid she sound and feels ashamed) [Blushing]
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Starla*
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Gwan,

Don't feel stupid...it's just one of those things. Objects, fingers, tongues...not pretty. Not nice, not human. [Frown]

I didn't know how lesbians had sex until I was 15, when my aunt had to explain it to me.

It's really sad. About rape, I mean...it's not about sex, it's about power. You see that when you're on the bad end of it, not that there's a good end.

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Yeah, without testicles everything changes. Without hormone therapy, men start acting pretty effeminate, I believe.
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Starla*
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You can still have an erection and no testicles.
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My parents have a neutered dog that has been embarrassing them with non-neutered behavior for many years. **A personal teste-imonial**
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Starla*
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[ROFL]

Thanks, sndrake. I needed a laugh really bad, cause this subject is depressing me a little.

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Starla*
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In fact, I have more teste-monials. (Or Moan-ials, if you will).

Over the Holidays, my grocery store carries squid, cleaned and separated.

An old lady at my fish counter asked me for:

"A pound of calamari, please. But don't give me the testicles, I want to make rings out of them."

[ROFL]
I wanted to do that, but I was on the counter, so laughed my behind off later. [Smile]

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[Big Grin]

Reminds me - I lived in Denver for a few years. And when gelding time comes, Rocky Mountain Oysters are considered a real teste treat.

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The Germans invented something called a "castration mine" during one of the world wars (when triggered it would shoot up about 3 ft and then explode). But some of the victims were able to have sex in later years anyway. The first couple of times I heard about this, I thought it had to be a joke. But I think it was on Nova one time. So that means it's gotta be real, right?

Edit: Nah, there was a guy castrated by a grenade, but it wasn't a "castration mine". And I'm not going to google it, thank you very much.

I hope the hormone treatments demonstrated that this should be effective for him. The benefit of castration over hormone treatment is that he will just have the lessening of testosterone without other feminizing effects. Still... It would be so tragic if for any reason it didn't cure him. Some folks get fat again after gastric bypass, after all.

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I have heard is said many, many times that rape is not about sex -- it's about power. It is repeated so often that it is taken as a truism.

I wonder how true and how universal that statement is. Where does this idea come from?

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oh man! I really wanted to say something in this thread..

..then I remembered that sometimes my daughter longs onto here too and might read it! <SIGH>

Farmgirl

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Rape being about power: Well, I think it's either about power or mental illness on the part of the rapist. This "truism" is also important for victims, so they hopefully will report it like a theft or a mugging. As opposed to feeling shame and wondering if they themselves were responsible. Sex is perceived to be a consensual act, and it's probably difficult for a victim to sort that out.
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I think (and I don't have references, I'm guessing) is that at least some rapists don't show much sign of an overwhelming sex drive - in other words, they're not "oversexed" in their personal lives. Thus, the thinking goes, something other than an overwhelming sex drive motivates at least that group of rapists.

(I had a very strange conversation once about this with a "man" - only to find out later it was a woman living and dressing as a man. Interesting that we had very different ideas about male sex drive and the importance it played in male behavior.)

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However, certain molestation pathologies are not tied to sexual stimulation. Those people in my mind are the worst kind of monsters, and are often not cured by loss of sex drive.
Yes. I dug up some statistics on this last time we had this debate, but I don't feel like looking again. It is still possible to rape . . . even the old fashioned way. (Though most of the post-castration rapes do involve implements.)

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In this case, he is actually eligible for shortened sentence based on the castration, which is the appeal of the surgery to someone like him.
This is what bothers me. Something that does not infallibly solve the problem, that nevertheless lets this guy off early. I'm cool with it if this guy wants relief from his cravings, but if that's all he wants, he should not expect to get out early.

Sex offenders against children are treated the worst of anybody in prison. If I were in prison under those circumstances, I might well be willing to trade those pieces to get out early.

If this guy had raped me, I might get some satisfaction from his castration . . . if he also served his full sentence. I would not get any satisfaction from him being able to get out early on this basis. Now, I know many people say prison is not about punishment or vengeance. Unfortunately, it's not too good at reform or prevention either, though. I personally do like to have particularly evil criminals suffer.

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Only shooting them in the head is an infallable cure. Sadly, that is considered excessive by some.
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Hehe
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Wow.
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