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Sex is not really an issue when it comes to saving someone in battle. People get redused to Alive and Dead. A person is just as likely to try and save someone they dont like as they are to save someone they do. It boils down to humanitly of the situation.
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quote: Wouldn't that be the men's problem if they can't work as well with women around? Why should the women be the ones restricted? If the men in an office say they can't work as well with women around, should women not be hired?
Then draft only women then.
I'm kidding of course. It's not only my feelings that men feel the need to protect women. If a average man with at least some morality saw a woman being raped/jumped, would he not try and stop it?
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I think that Nick is saying that having the women-folk back home to protect makes the men better soldiers. Is that fair to say?
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I'm not saying that women can't be every bit as capable as a man at being a soldier. Just because it creates complications doesn't make either men or women better, but it does change who is better suited to be in the given situation.
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The army could put all the women on birth control pills and stagger the cycles so they don't menstrute together.
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quote:It's not that men are better (as I explicitly said that they are not), it's the tendency to want to protect women in possibly more dangerous ways that makes women less effective, not their ability.
That just would mean their ability is not why they are better. You are still saying they are better.
It'd be like not hiring women at a science lab on the grounds that, even though the women are just as smart, they'd cause the men there to act differently. That's still sexism.
quote:If a average man with at least some morality saw a woman being raped/jumped, would he not try and stop it?
If an average women with at least some morality saw a man being raped/jumped, would she not try and stop it?
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quote: No, that's just a wrong assumption you're making about what I said. I didn't say why the son would do more good on the front lines. It's not because men are superior soldiers (I'm not saying they are), it's because other men would risk their lives in more dangerous ways to save women rather than a fellow man. Men have always felt the need to protect women.
Don't used mixed attack groups. Use pure male and pure female groups.
Any why am I ticked off?
Because I see men around me signing sheets authorizing the government to call them up and have them deported to the fields of Iraq or wherever to die. To be burnt alive when captured; look at what happened to the contractors. To slog through swamps, snipers picking their friends off one by one. To have their helicopters downed by stinger missles. To leave their families, maybe never to return.
The list goes on...
And if anyone refuses to sign his life away, his domestic life is ruined.
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Phanto, you're signing the sheet so the government can keep track of you. You will not be sent to Iraq. The draft will probably never be reinstated becuase the army doesn't need that many bullet sponges now.
The only reason this subject has even come up is because the Democrats hate Bush and will say anything to hurt his reelection chances. They don't like the war in Iraq, they know half the country doesn't like the war in Iraq, so it's the perfect scare tactic. It makes for an interesting philosophical debate, but it's really nothing to get worked up about. None of those horrible things will happen to any of your friends unless they volunteer to serve and get really unlucky.
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Then I suppose it woudl surprise you to learn the bush administration is quietly filling up draft board positions around teh country?
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I'm glad they don't draft women because then when both I and Mack get drafted into the same unit I'd be really embaressed when she showed me up.
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So, clearly if the military wants to encourage soldiers to see each other as 'just people', they should have unisex housing and showers, yes?
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But there are distinctions between the genders. We can argue about how it effects drafting and being an effective soldier, but until you show me how I can give birth to a child I'm going to be mighty skeptical of any claim that there isn't any "distinction between genders". And as long as there is a distinction, I don't see any problem in treating people of different genders differently. Of course that doesn't mean that one gender is inherintly inferior, or that it excuses all treatment of women or men just because they're different. I figured this argument was about how much the differences effect women and men's ability to fight, I just can't imagine actually thinking that women and men are identical.
quote: The USPS has the forms that state all men from the age of 18 to 25 (I believe, or 35) are required to submit and if they don't there is a pretty high fine.
If they wanted women to be part of it too, they would have said all US Citizens.
Hey, I'm a woman and I am not complaining about it
I recognize it's sexist towards men but, for centuries men have been the warriors, the soldiers, the knights, why change it now? They don't mind it.
You know a lot. A lot.
But still not enough.
quote: I recognize it's sexist towards men but, for centuries men have been the warriors, the soldiers, the knights, why change it now? They don't mind it.
Which is why we force all men at age 18 to sign their lives away?
quote:quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No, that's just a wrong assumption you're making about what I said. I didn't say why the son would do more good on the front lines. It's not because men are superior soldiers (I'm not saying they are), it's because other men would risk their lives in more dangerous ways to save women rather than a fellow man. Men have always felt the need to protect women. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And how is this not calling men better at that a particular job (soldier) than women?
Well, I think men in general are better at that particular job than women. It's a job that requires a high level of physical strength and stamina, and men are in general, stronger than women.
That's not to say that women can't be good soldiers, or that there aren't some women who could kick nearly any man's butt, but if we're speaking in generalities I see no reason to avoid the obvious.
As for women in the Army, I don't see a problem with letting them do anything they want, incuding being a front-line soldier, as long as they meet all the requirements that a man would have to. We want the best of the best to be out there, and if some of that category happen to be women, great.
I don't know how I would feel about women in the draft. I don't know how I feel about the draft in general, so I can't really say.
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combustia, tossing around words the Cards don't like before you're even 10 posts in is a *bad* idea.
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Well then I would hope the Cards realize that it's not the ten posts that determines a member's value. They're wiser than that.
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Nick, you're just looking for a fight today!
Sheesh! Clearly, the Cards are very discerning hosts. Clearly, combustia doesn't know their rules yet. Clearly I am *only trying to help*!
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Considering Lalo is allowed to repeatedly type the S-word, I think the synonym for donkey would be okay.
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IMO the only war worthy enough for a draft is a war so important it is worth EVERYONE who can fight to fight in it--without regard for age or gender.
If it can't pass that test, we shouldn't draft.
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quote: Nick, you're just looking for a fight today!
Sheesh! Clearly, the Cards are very discerning hosts. Clearly, combustia doesn't know their rules yet. Clearly I am *only trying to help*!
I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I was clearly out of line. I'm trying not to be mad at you from the other thread. I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm sorry.
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