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I notice that no one has yet posted the ENFJ profile yet, perhaps because only Fugu and I are ENFJ and neither of us are the type of person to post such a profile under normal circumstances. Here it is:
quote: The Idealists called Teachers are abstract in their thought and speech, cooperative in their style of achieving goals, and directive and extraverted in their interpersonal relations. Learning in the young has to be beckoned forth, teased out from its hiding place, or, as suggested by the word "education," it has to be "educed." by an individual with educative capabilities. Such a one is the eNFj, thus rightly called the educative mentor or Teacher for short. The Teacher is especially capable of educing or calling forth those inner potentials each learner possesses. Even as children the Teachers may attract a gathering of other children ready to follow their lead in play or work. And they lead without seeming to do so.
Teachers expect the very best of those around them, and this expectation, usually expressed as enthusiastic encouragement, motivates action in others and the desire to live up to their expectations. Teachers have the charming characteristic of taking for granted that their expectations will be met, their implicit commands obeyed, never doubting that people will want to do what they suggest. And, more often than not, people do, because this type has extraordinary charisma.
The Teachers are found in no more than 2 or 3 percent of the population. They like to have things settled and arranged. They prefer to plan both work and social engagements ahead of time and tend to be absolutely reliable in honoring these commitments. At the same time, Teachers are very much at home in complex situations which require the juggling of much data with little pre-planning. An experienced Teacher group leader can dream up, effortlessly, and almost endlessly, activities for groups to engage in, and stimulating roles for members of the group to play. In some Teachers, inspired by the responsiveness of their students or followers, this can amount to genius which other types find hard to emulate. Such ability to preside without planning reminds us somewhat of an Provider, but the latter acts more as a master of ceremonies than as a leader of groups. Providers are natural hosts and hostesses, making sure that each guest is well looked after at social gatherings, or that the right things are expressed on traditional occasions, such as weddings, funerals, graduations, and the like. In much the same way, Teachers value harmonious human relations about all else, can handle people with charm and concern, and are usually popular wherever they are. But Teachers are not so much social as educational leaders, interested primarily in the personal growth and development of others, and less in attending to their social needs.
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The Idealist most committed to guiding others through the doors of life, or along the pathways of learning and understanding, is the type that Keirsey has named the Teacher (Myers's "ENFJ").
Teachers are natural facilitators in all their relationships, encouraging those around them, urging their personal growth, and taking charge of others (particularly of groups) with an extraordinary enthusiasm and confidence. Indeed, Teachers are so expressive and charismatic in their leadership -- in a word, so inspiring -- that they seem in some ways less coercive than the other Idealists. Keirsey says that, though Teachers are both expressive and role-directive, they manage to "command without seeming to do so," not by means of explicit orders, nor through saintly patience, romantic longing, or mute withdrawal, but by kindling in their students and colleagues their own passion for self-exploration and development. Teachers are masters of the art of positive expectation (or "front-loading"), and they communicate their belief in the evolution of the "self" with such a glow of promise that quite often, as Keirsey tells us, their optimism "induces action" in others, and the "desire to live up to [their] expectations."
Teachers bring all this infectious energy to their intimate relationships as well, and they make passionate and delightfully creative companions. However, at such close range the intensity of their wishes for their loved ones can create interpersonal conflict. Teachers can overwhelm their loved ones with their exuberance, and with their Pygmalion presumption that everyone wants to be helped along the path of self-discovery. Then, when their loved ones either resist their pressure or fail to meet their idealistic expectations, Teachers can feel frustrated, disillusioned, or even betrayed by the persons they care most about.
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I am eSfJ (Or a "Provider", as they call it)
Provider Guardians take it upon themselves to arrange for the health and welfare of those in their care, but they are also the most sociable of all the Guardians, and thus are the great nurturers of established institutions such as schools, businesses, churches, social clubs, and civic groups. Wherever they go, Providers take up the role of social contributor, happily giving their time and energy to make sure that the needs of others are met, that traditions are supported and developed, and that social functions are a success.
Providers are very likely more than ten percent of the population, and this is very fortunate for the rest of us, because friendly social service is a key to their nature. Highly cooperative themselves, Providers are skilled in maintaining teamwork among their helpers, and are also tireless in their attention to the details of furnishing goods and services. They make excellent chairpersons in charge of social events. They are without peer as masters of ceremonies, able to approach others with ease and confidence, and seemingly aware of what everyone’s been doing. And they are outstanding hosts or hostesses, able to remember people’s names, usually after one introduction, and always concerned about the needs of their guests, wanting to insure that all are involved and provided for.
Providers are extremely sensitive to the feelings of others, which makes them perhaps the most sympathetic of all the types, but which also leaves them rather self-conscious, that is, highly sensitive to what others think of them. Because of this Providers can be crushed by personal criticism, and will work most effectively when given ample appreciation both for themselves personally and for the service they give to others. This is not to say that Providers are afraid to express their own emotional reactions. They are quick to like and dislike—and don’t mind saying so—tending to put on a pedestal whatever or whoever they admire, and to come down hard on those people and issues they don’t care for.
In their choice of careers, Providers may lean toward sales and service occupations. They have such pleasant, outgoing personalities that they are far and away the best sales reps, not only regularly winning sales contests, but earning seniority in any sales group within an organization. Observing ESFJs at work in a sales transaction reveals clearly how this type personalizes the sale. They are visibly—and honestly—concerned with their customer’s welfare, and thus the customer is not simply buying the product, but is buying personally from the Provider. This same characteristic causes them to be good in many people-to-people jobs, as teachers, clergy, coaches, social workers, office receptionists, and so on. Providers seldom become a source of irritation in the workplace; on the contrary, they are unflagging in their devotion to their company, and show such personal loyalty to their immediate superiors that they make invaluable personal secretaries.
President George Washington is an iconic example of a Provider Guardian temperament
Guardians of birthdays, holidays and celebrations, ESFJs are generous entertainers. They enjoy and joyfully observe traditions and are liberal in giving, especially where custom prescribes. All else being equal, ESFJs enjoy being in charge. They see problems clearly and delegate easily, work hard and play with zest. ESFJs, as do most SJs, bear strong allegiance to rights of seniority. They willingly provide service (which embodies life's meaning) and expect the same from others.
ESFJs are easily wounded. And when wounded, their emotions will not be contained. They by nature "wear their hearts on their sleeves," often exuding warmth and bonhomie, but not infrequently boiling over with the vexation of their souls. Some ESFJs channel these vibrant emotions into moving dramatic performances on stage and screen.
Strong, contradictory forces consume the ESFJ. Their sense of right and wrong wrestles with an overwhelming rescuing, 'mothering' drive. This sometimes results in swift, immediate action taken upon a transgressor, followed by stern reprimand; ultimately, however, the prodigal is wrested from the gallows of their folly, just as the noose tightens and all hope is lost, by the very executioner!
An ESFJ at odds with self is a remarkable sight. When a decision must be made, especially one involving the risk of conflict (abhorrent to ESFJs), there ensues an in-house wrestling match between the aforementioned black-and-white Values and the Nemesis of Discord. The contender pits self against self, once firmly deciding with the Right, then switching to Prudence to forestall hostilities, countered by unswerving Values, ad exhaustium, winner take all.
As caretakers, ESFJs sense danger all around--germs within, the elements without, unscrupulous malefactors, insidious character flaws. The world is a dangerous place, not to be trusted. Not that the ESFJ is paranoid; 'hyper-vigilant' would be more precise. And thus they serve excellently as protectors, outstanding in fields such as medical care and elementary education.
Functional Analysis ESFJs live in their Extraverted Feeling functioning. Feeling, a rational (i.e., deciding) function, expresses opinions easily in the E world of objects and people. ESFJs have the ability to express warmth, rage, and a range of other emotions. Actions are encouraged or rebuked based on how they affect other people, especially people near and dear to the ESFJ. This type's vocal decisiveness predisposes many of its number to facility with administration and supervision.
The secondary Introverted Sensing function aids and abets the dominant Fe in that sensate data is collected and at once compared with the inner forms or standards. Data on which decisions are made are thus focused and given a contrast which tends to be stronger and clearer than the original stimuli. The strengthening effect of Si on Fe may be responsible for this type's reputation for wearing their "hearts on their sleeves." At any rate, ESFJs reflect the "black and white" view of reality which is common to the SJ types.
Extraverted iNtuition is tertiary--as the ESFJ matures, and as situations arise which call for suspension of criticism, Ne is allowed to play. Under the leadership of the Fe function, iNtuition allows for a loosening of the more rigid Si rights and wrongs; teasing and slapstick humor emerge. ESFJs are also capable of discerning patterns and philosophies, but such perceiving is subject to the weakness of the tertiary position, and the results often lack the variety and complexity of connections that more complex systems require.
The inferior Ti function may rarely be expressed. In fact, ESFJs may take affront at the aloof, detached nature of dominant Ti types, or conversely, be drawn to them. Some ESFJs construct rationale which have the appearance of (Jungian) Thinking logic, but under scrutiny are in fact command performances of "Thinking in the service of Feeling," (i.e., Thinking-like conclusions which do not obey the tenets of impersonal logic; they rather construct scenarios from only those "hard, cold facts" which support the conclusion reached by the dominant Extraverted Feeling function. To wit:
You don't sew with a fork, so I see no reason to eat with knitting needles. -- Miss Piggy, on eating Chinese Food
Famous ESFJs: U.S. Presidents: William McKinley William J. Clinton Jack Benny Desi Arnaz ("Ricky Ricardo") Don Knotts ("Barney Fife") John Connally (former Governor of Texas) Terry Bradshaw, NFL quarterback Sally Struthers (All in the Family) Mary Tyler Moore Dixie Carter (Designing Women) Steve Spurrier, Heismann trophy winner, Univ. of Fla. football coach Sally Field Danny Glover, actor (Lethal Weapon movies, Predator 2 Margaret Butt Nancy Kerrigan (U.S. olympic figureskater) Elvis Stojko (Canadian olympic figureskater)
quote: Teachers have the charming characteristic of taking for granted that their expectations will be met, their implicit commands obeyed, never doubting that people will want to do what they suggest. And, more often than not, people do, because this type has extraordinary charisma.
... They prefer to plan both work and social engagements ahead of time and tend to be absolutely reliable in honoring these commitments.
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Sort of, I think you're more middle of the road in everything but J/P than either of us. I have a huge score in favor of intuitive.
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I've taken this once in College, once last year, and just now... and all three have been the same.
I am a ENFP... or The Champion.
quote:The Champion Idealists are abstract in thought and speech, cooperative in accomplishing their aims, and informative and extraverted when relating with others. For Champions, nothing occurs which does not have some deep ethical significance, and this, coupled with their uncanny sense of the motivations of others, gives them a talent for seeing life as an exciting drama, pregnant with possibilities for both good and evil. This type is found in only about 3 percent of the general population, but they have great influence because of their extraordinary impact on others. Champions are inclined to go everywhere and look into everything that has to do with the advance of good and the retreat of evil in the world. They can't bear to miss out on what is going on around them; they must experience, first hand, all the significant social events that affect our lives. And then they are eager to relate the stories they've uncovered, hoping to disclose the "truth" of people and issues, and to advocate causes. This strong drive to unveil current events can make them tireless in conversing with others, like fountains that bubble and splash, spilling over their own words to get it all out. Champions consider intense emotional experiences as being vital to a full life, although they can never quite shake the feeling that a part of themselves is split off, uninvolved in the experience. Thus, while they strive for emotional congruency, they often see themselves in some danger of losing touch with their real feelings, which Champions possess in a wide range and variety. In the same vein, Champions strive toward a kind of spontaneous personal authenticity, and this intention always to "be themselves" is usually communicated nonverbally to others, who find it quite attractive. All too often, however, Champions fall short in their efforts to be authentic, and they tend to heap coals of fire on themselves, berating themselves for the slightest self-conscious role-playing.
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quote:Extraverted iNtuitive Feeling Perceiving by Marina Margaret Heiss
Profile: ENFP Revision: 2.4 Date of Revision: 20 Jul 03
[The following comes partially from the archetype, but mostly from my own dealings with ENFPs.]
General: ENFPs are both "idea"-people and "people"-people, who see everyone and everything as part of an often bizarre cosmic whole. They want to both help (at least, their own definition of "help") and be liked and admired by other people, on bo th an individual and a humanitarian level. They are interested in new ideas on principle, but ultimately discard most of them for one reason or another.
Social/Personal Relationships: ENFPs have a great deal of zany charm, which can ingratiate them to the more stodgy types in spite of their unconventionality. They are outgoing, fun, and genuinely like people. As SOs/mates they are warm, affectionate (l ots of PDA), and disconcertingly spontaneous. However, attention span in relationships can be short; ENFPs are easily intrigued and distracted by new friends and acquaintances, forgetting about the older ones for long stretches at a time. Less mature E NFPs may need to feel they are the center of attention all the time, to reassure them that everyone thinks they're a wonderful and fascinating person.
ENFPs often have strong, if unconvential, convictions on various issues related to their Cosmic View. They usually try to use their social skills and contacts to persuade people gently of the rightness of these views; his sometimes results in their negle cting their nearest and dearest while flitting around trying to save the world. Work Environment: ENFPs are pleasant, easygoing, and usually fun to work with. They come up with great ideas, and are a major asset in brainstorming sessions. Followthrough tends to be a problem, however; they tend to get bored quickly, especially if a newer, more interesting project comes along. They also tend to be procrastinators, both about meeting hard deadlines and about performing any small, uninteresting tasks that they've been assigned. ENFPs are at their most useful when working in a group w ith a J or two to take up the slack.
ENFPs hate bureaucracy, both in principle and in practice; they will always make a point of launching one of their crusades against some aspect of it.
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Did y'all read the link AJ posted? I read my profile for that and was a little floored. Some of the sentiment they subscribe to ENTPs I think I have actually said, almost verbatim.
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Kat -- at that link it also has information on who is our best "match-up" as a mate.
So what I want to know is -- is Sara going to use all this information we have given her when she ever gets around to working on the Matchmaker thread??
The thing that always gets me about these tests is that I never feel like any of the descriptions are spot on. I also always wonder whether I am answering the questions accurately, or whether I don't see myself as I actually am. I often think that the best way to get accurate results would be for someone who knows me really well to take it for me.
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I've taken this several times and the outcome kind of bounces between INTJ and INTP. I've gotten an E a couple times too, but the percentage is usually low. I think this test is a little short though to be totally accurate. I'm considering buying the Keirsey book to see how they explain everything.
I took a psych class once where the teacher gave a test similar to this and when he handed out the results most people thought the results were dead on. The catch was that he only handed out two different results and just relabeled them. So I wonder how many of the other results we would find more similar to ourselves compared to the result given. Just a thought.
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Where is the part that tells you who is compatible with whom? And where can I just read the profiles? I don't want to have to take the test again to access the specifics.
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quote: I took a psych class once where the teacher gave a test similar to this and when he handed out the results most people thought the results were dead on. The catch was that he only handed out two different results and just relabeled them. So I wonder how many of the other results we would find more similar to ourselves compared to the result given. Just a thought.
My psych teacher last year had us write something in our normal handwriting, so he could "analyze" it. The next day he handed the results back to us and told us we couldn't show them to anyone else. He asked us to rate the accuracy on a scale from one to five and almost everyone said it was either dead on or really close. Then he asked someone to read theirs and we realized that they were all exactly the same.
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Ooo, I have always wanted to have my handwriting analyzed! I learned just a tiny bit about it and was fascinated. If anyone knows more about it, please let me know. Posts: 7050 | Registered: Feb 2004
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Actually I disagreed with my Myers Briggs analysis. I told the faciliator it was wrong, it wasn't me.
He told me to talk about it with my therapist - he was from the same counseling agency.
I did, and we discussed and delved into it and she was able to show me how my depression had deeply affected me and changed my perception of myself. Finding out my personality type was freeing - I began to believe that maybe I wasn't the introverted, pessismistic, dour person I believed myself to be. Once I started working my way out of the depression, it became more and more apparent how much of an ENFP I really was - when I was myself and wasn't sick.
I personally don't think that you can fit any of the profiles, not if you take the real test and look at the results. I can tell that I am not an ISTJ, and that my husband for the most part is definitely not an NFP. He is an ESTJ, the only thing we share in common is the E. My sister in law is the poster child for ISTJ's. My brother shares traits with me but is an S instead of an N. His F is really, really high.
After studying it to the extent that I have - I don't think these results can apply to anyone.
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Last night, for fun, I went through the tests and tried to guess which ones best fit an engaged couple I know. I asked them to take the test today and I was dead-on for both of them. I think that's interesting. But as far as the matchmaking goes, we all thought it didn't seem right. Not only were both sets of partners (my husband and me, C and G) listed as enemies or nemeses or whatever, but the suggestions for partners struck us all as very incorrect. For example, I'm am an INFJ which matched me quite well, but it suggested an extrovert as my partner which is totally wrong....I always do badly with extroverts. ALL of my close friends and my partner are extreme introverts. It wasn't just like that for me; we all disagreed with the friends and partners suggestions.
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quote:Did y'all read the link AJ posted? I read my profile for that and was a little floored. Some of the sentiment they subscribe to ENTPs I think I have actually said, almost verbatim.
Did you read my post? Do you get the same uncomfortable/relieved feeling, too?
edit: I really am uncomfortable knowing there are other people out there SO like me they can text-book it. Of course, next time I screw up some crap and cavalierly assume people will forgive me cause I'm so charming, I'm totally going absolve myself of guilt by saying, "Yeah, but KAT probably does it, too."
I meant, that I don't think everyone can fit themselves into each profile. Unlike, say, Chinese fortune cookies which are so vague that they will apply to every person that reads them.
I think each personality type is distinct, and unlike the examples others posted about the handwriting analysis, the Myers-Briggs personality types aren't going to "sound just like" every person that reads them.
If I read the profile for an ISTJ, I know right off it isn't me. I could have told you that without ever knowing what I was, or reading any other profile.
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Thank you for the explanation, Belle. I thought that you were saying either that all the profiles are false--that no one is like any of them--or that healthy people only fit into a few of them and everyone who is, for instance, introverted is suffering from a mental illness like depression. I'm a genuine introvert; I am not in the best of spirits and haven't been for a good long while due to my circumstances, but even when I was a carefree little kid I preferred being alone with a good book, most of the time.
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Belle: I got a really interesting fortune cookie two days ago that I think fits that description. It said, and this is important enough to use the quote tag:
quote: Yes, do it with confidence.
I, being a freak, immediately thought this could be some hilarious robot or nerd pillow talk.
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I killed more threads as a kid than I do now, but I've still got it.
quote:New and mysterious. And, well, male. But the heart, she follows no rules)
I suppose I'll have to un-closet myself and reveal to the Hatrack world that I'm female. (There's probably about 0.015 people here who really care, but that's that.) I'd like to get a Freudian thought on a person's reluctance to reveal his/her gender in a place where it isn't already obvious.
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Ralphie and Banna, I know exactly what you mean. It's not really justified, but at least I'm not a morally-depraved monster for rushing around the house to get there five minutes late and thinking it is okay - I'm five minutes late, but they get me.
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Chris Bridges clock system does help for that. But I don't set the clocks. Steve does, so I don't know how to calculate the exact time, which is the only way it comes close to working.
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I was just thinking about you today, Foolish Took, and thinking that something in my memory said that you were female. I wasn't sure if I was remembering right or not. Posts: 7050 | Registered: Feb 2004
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INFP Zalmoxis xnera advice for robots Avatar300 Happy Camper
ENFP Belle Elizabeth Annie Telperion the Silver Tammy
INFJ Teshi beverly amira tharani Dragon Teleport skillery MEC Taalcon Jess N Ela FoolishTook littlemissattitude Trondheim Scott R (possibly INTJ)
ENFJ TomDavidson fugu13 breyerchic04
INTP RRR Xaposert Mike saxon75
ENTP BannaOj katharina Bob the Lawyer Ralphie Lucky4
INTJ sndrake Bokonon alath Hobbes Jeni PSI Teleport Megan Stray Maccabeus Vadon dkw Dagonee Mr. Funny Sara Sasse signal (possibly INTP) MidnightBlue
ENTJ Carrie Allegra peterh
Conclusion: Given that N's are rarer than S's as a whole, this forum is extremely biased towards N's.
I guess this shouldn't surpise anyone, though, given which types most likely prefer science fiction reading and going on to forums to post about religion and politics.
Looks like we also have lots of J's and lots of I's.
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Is it just me or is team ENTP the super cool group that everyone else wishes they were in?
(Is that a very ENTP thing to say? Must analyze! I can analyze, right? That's a T thing?)
I also find it pretty funny that pretty much the only people I've talked to outside of the forum proper are other ENTPs. Such a clique.
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