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Speed
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Hatrack seems a little slow tonight. Are we getting ready for the debate, watching all the commentary? Or are we doing other things, figuring it's a foregone conclusion?

Anyone going to be watching this? Anyone going to be there asking questions? Does anyone think Bush can bounce back from his spanking of last week?

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This election is like a hockey game to me. It's on TV. I can't participate. And I'll only tune in when it's over to see the score. I don't need to see all the passes and fights and goals.
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My prediction is the same as my prediction last week: He won't likely win unless he can avoid talking about real issues, because the facts are against him. If he can make the debate only about character or about past records or about something trivial like facial expressions or one-liners, then he has a decent shot.
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He won't likely win unless he can avoid talking about real issues, because the facts are against him. If he can make the debate only about character or about past records
I have't looked at Kerry's voting record, but are you implying that Kerry's senate record is not a real issue?
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Sorry, basking in the glow of the Red Sox [Smile] Some things are more important than the fate of the free world [Wink]

-Bok

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I'm watching Enterprise at the moment, but I'll be watching the debate (well, and reading).
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At nine o'clock I will be:

a) On the phone to my parents
b) Watching the debate
c) Writing an assignment, one of many due next week.
d) Posting, probably.

I'm a busy person.

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I have't looked at Kerry's voting record, but are you implying that Kerry's senate record is not a real issue?
Only insofar as it casts light on how the candidates would handle real issues. So far in this election voting records have rarely been used in this fashion, but rather as a method of trying to pin views the opposing candidate doesn't have on the opposing candidate, or as a smokescreen to distract from real issues. Kerry's vote on Iraq, for instance, might have real implications, but picking out occasions where Kerry opposed military spending over the last 20 years is more avoiding the issues.

[ October 08, 2004, 08:50 PM: Message edited by: Xaposert ]

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I'm watching the prestuff now, getting ready for it to start

damn, what about the abc scandal...the media is taking a beating during this election

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Noemon, check yo' email.
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There have only been two questions, but Bush looks 100% better than he did last week. I wouldn't say he's winning yet, but he doesn't look scared or confused. He looks comfortable and confident. I think he finally took it seriously this time.
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Is John Kerry going to change every question to his favorite job statistics?
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So far this is debate #1 redux.....
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I like the format of this debate much better. Bush is doing better, too. He sounds a little fresher than last week... a little better than Kerry...but I am DEFINITELY biased.

-Katarain

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I also think bush looks much better...but he looked good at the start of the last debate as well. It will be interesting to see if he can keep it up
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He's bringing up Reagan and the Soviets to buttress his argument rather than the Nazis. Good. Much better analogy. Don't agree with it, but it's much more relevant.
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Whoa: "That answer made me almost wanna scowl."

We're gonna be hearing that one over and over...

--j_k

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Do you all think it is a real disadvantage that Kerry has to use phrases like "I would have" and "I'm gonna"?

I don't see any way around it...but do you think it could have a real affect on the way undecideds vote?

(I can't believe there are still undecideds.)

-Katarain

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Bush,
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I hear there are rumors on the internets
How many internets are there? [Big Grin]
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lem, we're so used to his English foibles that it doesn't even matter.

I cannot believe he's trying to take credit for UAV's. That technology has been in development longer than his administration. He's just been, uh, lucky (?) enough to make an opportunity where it might be of use.

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Whoa: "That answer made me almost wanna scowl."

lol, I loved it...it is funny when he pokes fun at himself [Smile]
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Well... there's the one we are on... and there's the one Gore invented...
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fassle? what the **** is fassle?

and hten he invoked poland again

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! Not Poland! Why?!?! Why bring up Poland?
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Well well well, getting touchy here.

--j_k

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Oh, that's "facile".
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Ah, so if you spend enough time in the administrative branch, you get to start claiming technology? That's sweet! I'm gonna claim those latex tags printed on garmets in place of regular tags. celia60 in 2016!
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Kat: [ROFL]
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"we dub- Tripled..."
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See how mad Bush got wanting to respond?? Totally interrupting the moderator... whoever it is... some news anchor. I can't keep them straight..

-Katarain

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i thought he was gonna hit the mediator.
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Mediator.. hehe... Gentleman... in your corners!

They're fiery...and feisty today, aren't they?

It's good entertainment. Since I'm already decided...

-Katarain

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We're workin' hard... We're workin' evenings... Comin' in on the weekend.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! Not Poland! Why?!?! Why bring up Poland?
That's what I'm wondering too-- he shouldn't bring it up, since he really doesn't need to, (thirty nations total, remember?). He shouldn't anyway, since Poland says it was decieved and will be pulling out.

--j_k

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he wants to make drugs cheaper by cutting down on the time between release and when generic competition can enter the market. um, yeah, that's a great way to stop research on new drugs.
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kerry is with it tonight, bush's tantrums are only hurting him but Kerry is keeping it together and i think it's boosting him pointwise in big ways...i hope.

Bush's constant interrupting is making me sick.

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See Ben, it's all about perspective.. I see it completely differently.

I like the way Bush is being so passionate and animated. And not just because it is entertaining.

I also don't like what Kerry is saying.

-Katarain

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bush isnt following structure and rules set up and agreed to at the beginning of the debate, another example of how he's a cheating sleazy bastard...at least through these glasses of mine...

[ October 08, 2004, 09:46 PM: Message edited by: Ben ]

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My my... see, what are the democrats going to do if Bush wins? (I won't say when, because that is entirely too arrogant and I can't see the future.)

I imagine 4 years of deep depression and moaning for them.

-Katarain

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how so?
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Passionate and animated?
Half the time he doesn't even answer the question straight!

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He is getting a little more agitated as the time goes on. He needs to take a 'lude and go back to how he was acting at the beginning. That being said, I still think he's holding his own far better than he did 8 days ago.
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Neither does Kerry...

[edit: responding to Syn]

[ October 08, 2004, 09:51 PM: Message edited by: Mr.Funny ]

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Oh, and they're both guilty of changing the question to suit their pre-fab answers.
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I just expect depression... disenfranchisement... sadness.. weeping... wailing... knashing of teeth...

I must admit, I'm only paying 1/2 attention to this. Got a book I have to read here.

I like Bush. I think he's doing the right thing in Iraq... so, his answers suit me fine.

He could perhaps do better, but I don't think answering questions in a particular way doesn't help if people don't agree on your position.

What I REALLY don't like is Kerry wanting to bow to the U.N. all over the place. That makes me sick.

-Katarain

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He keeps saying Kerry's had 20 years in the senate and done nothing. Is that so bad compared to the mess he's managed to make in 4? That's like a strength.

Kerry hasn't said he wants to bow to the UN, he said we should have completely explored that option before deploying troops, and if possible get thier support.

[ October 08, 2004, 09:52 PM: Message edited by: celia60 ]

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My god, President Bush is getting his head handed to him. They are both doing much much better than the first debate; We're seeing President Bush at what I think may be his best and Senator Kerry is destroying him. If this continues, John Kerry's numbers are going to soar.

I can't even keep track of the points that John Kerry is scoring.

[ October 08, 2004, 09:54 PM: Message edited by: MrSquicky ]

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Kerry certainly implies it. He's in love with the U.N. He wants to marry it. *kiss kiss*

Hehe. That's my childish reply.

-Katarain

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Hmm. Somehow Kerry's policies towards Iraq seems a bit logical.. It seems like the US's troops are stretched too thin...
Seems that way to me...

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Thanks for being such a great example of a Bush supporter.
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