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Ooooh, it will go well with my immoral pro-sexual freedom rant in the other thread. Look kids! Have premarital sex and you won't be able to spell! Since they're both concerned with future generations and all that.
quote: I also don't think you can say we were enforcing UN edicts when the UN specifically told us they didn't want us to invade but wanted to continue inspections.
The UN did NOT tell us it didn't want us to invade. Countries in the UN told us they didn't want us to invade. People who worked for the UN told us they didn't want us to invade. The UN did not.
The UN acts in a body (two bodies, actually - the general assembly and the security council). For sure, the security council did not tell "us they didn't want us to invade." At least at the time of the invasion, the General Assembly had not yet "told us they didn't want us to invade."
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Fair enough. How about "I also don't think you can say we were enforcing UN edicts when we did not have a UN mandate to do so?" I'll leave out the wanting to continue inspections part, since while I believe it to be true I don't have time to find a reference. Posts: 7954 | Registered: Mar 2004
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I don't think I stated a conclusion, did I? My question is how Belle feels about the war in Iraq given her stated beliefs about when killing is appropriate.
Obviously, everyone knows I'm on the liberal side of the forum, and if they didn't my wording of my question would give it away. But my personal primary objection to the war is that I believe force should be used in self- or family- defense, not pre-emptively. Belle's stated position seems very similar to the type of situation where I would feel the use of violence is called for. So maybe she has a position on the war that I could relate to better than most. *shrug* Looking for enlightenment. Posts: 7954 | Registered: Mar 2004
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Then a question for you: How is our enforcing UN edicts without a UN mandate or request different from vigilante justice?
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Just saw the video on CNN-- the soldiers did not seem to be behaving in a way that would lead me (civilian, barely been in a fist-fight ever) to believe that they believed there was a threat to them.
Their attitude seemed entirely too casual.
I admit that I know little of the attitude appropriate for war.
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If Al Qaeda blows up the Pentagon and then claims it was enforcing U.N. edicts against human rights abuses Al Qaeda alleges the U.S. has done, does that make it so, even if the U.N. never found Americans guilty of human rights abuses and never said blowing up foreign military bases are an appropriate response to human rights abuses?
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I'd say not. If you linked a detailed legal analysis saying otherwise with reference to specific authority including treaties, international case law, and UN resolutions, as I have done at least 3 times in the last year with respect to the legality of the invasion, I might change my mind.
But for some reason a one sentence comparison ignoring the distinguishing characteristics between the two situations doesn't get past my BS threshold.
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