quote: As the LDS church already posits a physical heaven that is undetectable to (living) science
Does it? Is it? I dunno. There isn't any "doctrine" on it, but why would the "LDS" heaven look different than any number of celestial bodies? While it isn't doctrinal, many LDS believe that God lives on a planet of some sort.
As for me, I don't really have an opinion on the matter one way or the other.
On the bizarre observations of our universe, just because I say it "sounds like hogwash" to me, doesn't mean I believe it is hogwash. I don't believe one way or another, since I am a "science agnostic". But that is the sort of reaction that many non-believers have towards a God-created universe. It makes me wonder why.
Certainly many scientists "contradict" each other in their "faith" in different theories in a variety of sciences. Some favor one, some another. They can be quite fervent about it--even unshakable. All this dispite the same evidence being available to all. I am just drawing parallels.
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quote: So remind me again, when was the last time religious doctrine found itself backed up by evidence? The track record of churches is zero in this matter.
King of Men.
I read something a few years back that claimed that the timing of the bris, or curcumcision, at 8 days (?) after birth, is near-perfect timing to allow the wound to heal. I think because of the state of an infant's immune system.
And kosher laws similarly--if you store meat and dairy products together, both spoil faster. Important info before cooling and canning.
quote:...the objects in the universe moving away from each other, but that they are moving away from each other at exponential speed. Has anyone else heard this? Why haven't we heard more about it?
Beverly, I have heard of this. I haven't dug into it, but I think the data may be incomplete and premature. Why haven't we heard of this? Those who are interested in cosmology (not many) have. It brings a collective yawn from most folks.
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I'd point out that any physical/medical benefits that come with brit or kosher laws are not the reason. Merely side benefits.
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quote: Beverly, I have heard of this. I haven't dug into it, but I think the data may be incomplete and premature. Why haven't we heard of this? Those who are interested in cosmology (not many) have. It brings a collective yawn from most folks.
In otherwords, most people are skeptical? Too weird to be believed? Or is it just not amazing to anyone else? I was pretty amazed.
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Like I said, I haven't studied it. I was surprised to hear about it, but coming along with or after dark matter and dark energy, it's just one more weirdity.
I think it's amazing that we are still fairly clueless about dark matter and energy.
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ACtually "dark energy" is the current abstract concept that describes the increasing of expansion. What "dark energy" is remains unsolved (though there are theories).
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I want my thread back! You people with your theotical views on weather or not god is lying to us and hitjacking my thread... *mumble* *mumble*
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is was originally my thread, last time i checked in forum charter of rights my thread is what I want it to be, you people stealing my thread by jingo. Either way... WHERE ARE THOSE COOKIES!!!!!!!!
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quote:apparently light was 8x faster in King David's day
Hang on...
λ = c / f
If the human eye has not changed (and how could it in just 3000 years?), then the frequency of the visible spectum would have been eight times what it is now.
I wonder if young King David had black light posters in his bedroom.
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i think its believed that while c was faster our perception of time was different, to us 50 years is 50 years to them its the same but to physics its different. What I'm trying to get at is is it so??
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Sid, if you can believe light was faster back then, without evidence, then you can believe physics was different back then, without evidence.
Or, no, it's not so, AFAWK, at least I haven't seen anything that supports it except for desperate hypotheticals from young earth creationists.
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Let me jsut note that if you change lightspeed that much, the human body collapses from changes to chemistry. Atom binding energies would be completely different. So, short of constant divine intervention to change the physical laws in accordance with lightspeed, this is impossible.
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And beings that were intended (or evolved) to cook with fire would have needed to be able to see at least a little red and orange. "Mom, I burnt my feet again." "Well dear, there might be hot coals there where you're standing."
Or did cooking fires back then give off UV? Nice tan dude!
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