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Speed
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I'm so surprised that there's no topic on this yet. I'm glad The Incredibles won. It seems obvious, but these people can surprise me sometimes. I think it should have at least been nominated for best picture, but it was a cartoon, so it can't be that good, right?

Is this the first time that all the nominees have been computer animated?

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Yay Incredibles!
I bet JD will not win again and that makes me sad, but at least he won't have to go up in front of everyone because he said that is so embarassing.

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And The Passion just lost one of its token nominations. I wonder if it gets anything. The score was good, but it's up against John Williams.
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Yeah, Depp doesn't have a chance at winning this year. He did a great job, but to be realistic, he won't win.
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JD?

[edit: Ooh, JD. [Smile] ]

Yeah, I'm still mad about last year's supporting actor category. He was so much better than Sean Penn. But then, so were Ben Kingsley and Bill Murray. Every year leaves me boiling about something, and that was it.

Wonder what it'll be this year.

[ February 27, 2005, 09:09 PM: Message edited by: Speed ]

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Jesus Depp, of course.
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Hahahaha! Edna Mode is hilarious! That was a stroke of genius.
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Oh, Johnny. I'm so glad they're doing this. [Smile]
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I was going to watch it.. then when I turned to it, it was Pierce Brosnan with some animated thing. I changed the channel.
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What's up with Beyonce doing every song? And was that Phantom song the most boring thing you've ever heard?
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Hey, Tom's movie won. [Smile]
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And there goes Passion's second award. Maybe Mel should have taken OSC's advice and pulled it from the running.

Looks like Aviator is this year's Lord of the Rings.

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By the way, what's Tom's movie?
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Ryan, for best animated short. Tom was nice enough to bring the film to my attention on his salon.com thread. [Smile]

And thanks to Chris for providing the non-salon link for the movie:

http://www.nfb.ca/oscars2005/nfbpop2.html

[ February 27, 2005, 10:20 PM: Message edited by: Beren One Hand ]

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Let me guess. Sound mixing goes to... The Aviator!

[edit: Wow, it finally lost one. [Eek!] ]

[ February 27, 2005, 10:24 PM: Message edited by: Speed ]

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YES!!! Another award for The Incredibles!

[Party]

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And Santana!
[The Wave]
[Hail] [Hail] [Hail] [Hail]

I didn't have any strong feelings in this category, but now I do. This is a good song. Of course, it's almost cheating; Carlos can make any song sound fantastic. But still, I know which one I'm rooting for now.

[ February 27, 2005, 10:31 PM: Message edited by: Speed ]

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Seeing Santana up there makes this the first time I've enjoyed watching a musical performance at the Oscars.
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I disagree completely. I think that it sounded like crap. Someone was mixing the instruments poorly and Santana was playing just random crap that totally clashed with the song. Also, Banderas was frequently off in a way that had me wondering if he was even listening to the song.

Ah well, it certainly can't be worse than Beyonce singing every effing song in a manner totally inappropriate to the style of the song.

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I thought the sound fit the voice, but so it goes.
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I'm with you, Heffaji. I love Santana. It wasn't Black Magic Woman, but it was a good performance. Way better than anything else I've seen so far tonight.

[ February 27, 2005, 10:49 PM: Message edited by: Speed ]

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Wow, that surprised me. Of course, The Passion soundtrack somehow managed to come across as a bit shrill and overbearing on the movie and then somewhat dull and uninspiring on CD. Not a bad score but not great. I love James Newton Howard, but I don't remember the music that well. And I liked the Harry Potter soundtrack, but John Williams has enough Oscars, and it really wasn't the best thing he's ever done. And the music for Finding Neverland was really very good... so good that it did its job perfectly without drawing any attention to itself, which is why I'm so surprised that the academy noticed it. Surprised, but not disappointed. If Johnny can't win best actor, at least that movie can get something now.

I guess this means that The Passion isn't going to win anything. C'est la vie.

[ February 28, 2005, 01:15 AM: Message edited by: Speed ]

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Now that was a cool acceptance speech.

[edit for clarification: The one for best song.]

[ February 27, 2005, 11:05 PM: Message edited by: Speed ]

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"She's also the first female actress to be nominated for playing a boxer"

I'd say the announcer was trying to be funny, but that isn't exactly an Oscar announcer's forte.

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Hey, she thanked her lawyers. Don't see that very often. [Smile]
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[Roll Eyes]
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Right on! Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind was an amazing script... I fully expected it to lose.
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Eternal Sunshine won the screenplay nod!! I think that's a good thing.

And I was so totally annoyed by Hillary Swank. She's so tacky.

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It's about time Charlie Kaufman won an Oscar.
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Fantastic! (Best Actor win)

(Incidentally) I knew, intellectually, that Charlie Kaufman was a real person, but had a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that he doesn't look like Nic Cage. Ha!

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I am loving Jamie Foxx's acceptance speech. [Smile]
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Yeah, they wouldn't dare 'play the music' on him cause he's so genuine and funny. [Smile]
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\\"She's also the first female actress to be nominated for playing a boxer"

I'd say the announcer was trying to be funny, but that isn't exactly an Oscar announcer's forte. //

People involved with the oscars love meaningless trivia like that.

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Yeah, its just that this piece of trivia was so utterly pointless. How many movies of Oscar-caliber are about female boxers? How many of that amount of zero have been nominated?

(Waits for someone to point out a great movie that fits everything I used in a weak attempt at humor)

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Hrm. Best picture is kind of annoying. Those that have seen it, do you think it deserved that Oscar?
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Well, Michelle Rodriguez was pretty awesome in Girlfight.

[Wink]

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Grumble, Grumble.

Of all the movie themes to close the show, Terminator 2? Not that I'm complaining, but it still surprises me.

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They played some of the weirdest themes during the whole show...The Fugitive? Star Trek:TNG?

And I had no idea that Jerry Goldsmith had died!!!

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Grumble .... No Desperate Housewives tonight?

I thought it was interesting when they used the Star Trek theme during the first commercial cutaway. The camera panned over to the TV monitors on the roof, which looked like the Enterprise's saucer section. [Smile]

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Whenever the annual "Who Died" moment appears, I always think back to school where they forbid us to applaud until everyone had finished so we wouldn't hurt anyone's feelings.
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Several things struck me about this Awards Show, winners and losers aside.

The new format made it clear who was important, and who the Academy didn't give a rat's behind about, most notable the short films and the widely insulted "lesser" awards. Those that spend hours of dedicated time making the fiddly-bits of the movie. Thank goodness that one guy stood up in his speech and said they were actually artistic awards.

On the same vein, the crew of the awards made several errors, dropping things behind the stage (a few "bangs" were heard as things were dropped), and the 'sets' for the songs were less than inspiring.

The performers of the songs were very oddly chosen, almost as if the person choosing them had no idea about the original song itself. The song from Les Choristes which is one of the most beautiful choral pieces I've ever heard, and the solo as sung in the movie is heavenly. Beyonce was totally and utterly wrong for it. Nothing could ruin the song completely, but it looked like the Producers of the Oscars really tried hard to. It's as if there is a mental block that divides good from classical. So many classically-trained adult voices would have suited that song better than Beyonce's.

Thank goodness the only song sung and performed by people who, although not stunning, fitted the songs they sung, won.

The music chosen for between the presentations seemed to be chosen from the sorts of movies that do not win awards. The people I watched the show with were perplexed by what was playing, seemingly totally randomly chosen.

The overwhelming theme of this show seemed to ppopularize, popularize, popularize. I thought that wasn't possible, after all the Oscars have been pretty focused on glamour for their entire history. But it seemed to be there in full force- bright simple colours, shunted less-popular awards, badly executed technical and artistic choices for the show and finally bad funny.

Chris Rock was funny. Kind of. His schpiel at the start was confusing; something mumbled about Michael Moore and Bush? I didn't understand what the joke was. The interviewing of people asking them their favourite movie was utterly and completely childish and lame.

All in all, they could have done much better. And they didn't.

(And there were no Hobbits, only an elf, the last remnant of three wonderful years. It makes me sad...)

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quote:
They played some of the weirdest themes during the whole show...The Fugitive? Star Trek:TNG?
I watched the Oscars at a Film Committee party and when the TNG theme came on, we all kind of looked at each other and thought "What the hell...?" The only Next Generation-era film nominated was First Contact for makeup. And it didn't win.

Overall, though, I was pretty pleased with the Oscars this year. I thought it was going to be a sweep for The Aviator, but I guess Scorcese is just a master of creating the almost-there epic. Oh well.

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Wow, a whole Oscar night without a single decision that pissed me off. Of course, with the possible exception of The Incredibles (which did as well as I could reasonably have hoped for), there wasn't really anything that I felt very strongly about this year. Oh, there were some good movies, but no Pulp Fiction or Crouching Tiger for me to really get behind. No songs (like last year's A Kiss At the End of the Rainbow) or performances (Like Bill Murray's) that I especially liked, or performances (like Sean Penn's) that I especially hated. Just wasn't that interesting a year for me. Some of the movies nominated were fine. And there were some great movies not in the scope of the Oscars this year. (I'm sure I'll be watching Shaun of the Dead and Team America long after I've forgotten The Aviator.) But in all I don't think I'll be remembering this year in movies as vividly as some years past.

So no big disappointments, other than the fact that there was nothing I was willing to be disappointed over.

[ February 28, 2005, 01:14 AM: Message edited by: Speed ]

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Did anyone else think Chris Rock's introduction of Penelope Cruz and Salma Hayek was totally insulting and uncalled for? (He announced them, saying, "you won't be able to take your eyes of these next four presenters.") Butthead.

I really liked Salma's introduction of the Spanish tune. Totally moving.

And then there was Prince, who mispronounced every single name he read. [Roll Eyes]

I was very not-impressed with just about everything, but happy with the score and song awards.

I remember when I was little and Billy Crystal was the host. Remember when he came out like Hannibal Lecter and sang songs about all the nominees? That was worth watching. Chris Rock was just... a disappointment.

And a butthead.

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Annie, I have to admit that I didn't get that joke, but now I do I think that it was very insulting.
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Especially when it was such an empowering moment for the hispanics there. Talk about being racially insensitive.
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By the way, just for the record the Star Trek: TNG theme heard in the broadcast was the theme for Star Trek: The Motion Picture. And Jerry Goldsmith got a nomination for it in 1980. So maybe it wasn't so random. [Smile]

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I feel a little juvenile for noticing, but the humanitarian award part used the theme from The Land Before Time.
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Do you find it at all incongruous to chastise someone for being racially insensitive in the same post that you use the word "hispanic"? Every latino I've ever talked to about it hates that word.
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I didn't want to say anything, but yeah, it's latina. I'm think the only way Rock could have made it racial was if he called them maracas, but I think refering to woman's breasts should be taken as a man refering to a woman's breasts. Not that that makes it better, unless they were just flopping all over the stage. The question is, would he have made that same joke with Nicole Kidman and Teri Hatcher.

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