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www.nytimes.com

The bells are ringing.

[ April 19, 2005, 12:46 PM: Message edited by: advice for robots ]

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Dagonee
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This is big news - it means they selected a pope with a 2/3 majority. At some point, with no decision, the requirement for selection would have been reduced to simple majority.

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Edit: removed the very confusing "before" in the first sentence. No wonder some of you were confused.

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Is it my imagination, or does that article not say who it is?

Dag -- I have absolutely no idea what you said with that post. Could you clarify for me a bit?

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It doesn't say. And neither does the CNN article.

And I second Porter's confusion regarding Dag's post... o_O

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Thanks for the link. Someone on my LiveJournal friends list said we had a new pope, but didn't include a link, and I couldn't find one on Google News. Wish the link had more info, though.
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I hope the runner up doesnt demand a recount. [Smile] j/k
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I think he meant that because they voted for a Pope this quickly, it didn't come to the point where they MUST choose a Pope, which would employ a simple majority rather then the initial 2/3rds.
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I guess the new Pope will be appearing shortly on the balcony. We don't know who it is yet.
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Sorry. Historically, 2/3 of the cardinals have to agree for a pope to be selected. Pope John Paul II changed the rules for selecting the next pope. If, no candidate received 2/3 of the vote after a certain number of ballots, the requirement was to drop to simple majority.

I'm happy they could make a decision based on the greater consensus rather than letting it get to the simple majority point.

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At this point in time, a new pope required a 2/3 majority for election.

Had it gone on long enough without a 2/3 majority, the requirement would have decreased (to a simple majority, iirc).

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http://news.yahoo.com/

they have live video... I guess of the smoke...

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The Washington Post also has a live feed.
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quote:
There is no word on the new pope's identity or what name he will choose, which the Vatican has indicated will be announced 45 minutes after his election.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4462077.stm
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I'm going to predict Ratzinger with the new name of John Paul III. Just a guess though. I was hoping for a John XIV, but that was a bit much to expect.
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It's Cardinal Ratzinger.

[ April 19, 2005, 12:46 PM: Message edited by: advice for robots ]

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Benedict the 16th. [Smile]
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Pope Benidict XVI
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hmm, the new Pope is 78.
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Does anyone else think he looks a little bit like the Emperor from Star Wars? Probably not, but I can't strike the physical resemblance from my mind.
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Kind of acts like him, too, minus the lightning, from what I hear.
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Anyone knows what were the names of the previous popes? How many John's, John Paul's or whatever other names were out there? And I wonder what consists a proper name for a pope?
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As long as he doesn't suddenly start wearing a hooded robe we should be OK.
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Nice, Tom.
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Corwin:

Here is a list of past popes:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm

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You're just jealous, Tom [Razz]
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I second Dag. Must you inject your venom into every religious conversation? This is (and should be) a happy day for all Catholics. There will be plenty of time for criticism later.

edit: oh, and he does look a bit like Emporer Palpatine [Eek!] [Big Grin]

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Wikipedia's quick: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Ratzinger
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Its just a little sad that such a conservative Pope has been elected, well at least if you ask me. I'm a rather liberal Catholic, which I suppose still makes me pretty conservative [Wink]
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The likelihood is that Ratzinger is envisioned as a transitional pope, due to his age.
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Could someone elaborate on the significance of the choice of name? I mean, I know what Benedict means, but who were the last few holders of the name?
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Am I the only one who is bothered by Wikipedia billing itself as "the free encyclopedia?"
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quote:
The crowd responded by chanting "Benedict! Benedict!"
Why didn't they pick a younger one? If John Paul II was 84.. and this guy's ALREADY 78.. [Dont Know]

[ April 19, 2005, 01:07 PM: Message edited by: Tater ]

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While I think that Tom was way out of line, this isn't exactly a happy day for all Catholics. Ratzinger's a hard-core conservative who has been even more authoritarian and curialist than John Paul II. I think that there are many Catholics who aren't going to be happy with this choice.
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edit: in response to wikipedia question

Yes?

Remember that free has two meanings in the context wikipedia exists within, and they likely intend both.

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First an unenthusiastic member of the Hitler Youth, and now Pope. o_O
He's come a long way.

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quote:
Why didn't they pick a younger one? If John Paul II was 84.. and this guy's ALREADY 78.
I'm guessing it's because he won't make a lot of changes and this gives more time for the Church to consider it's direction after JPII.
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John Paul had a relatively very long transformative pontificate. It's customary to choose a transitional following a reign like that. All of the top contenders were old men. Benedict XVI is unlikely to make many changes in the way the Church has been going before he dies, so there's time to consider who the next pope should be and what comes next for the Church in an atmosphere of relative stability.
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quote:
Remember that free has two meanings in the context wikipedia exists within, and they likely intend both.
I'm starting another thread about this.
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Hey, sorry, but I'm just a bit disappointed that the Cardinals felt that the best resolution to the many intellectual disagreements facing the church was to appoint the Grand Inquisitor to look into them.

Speaking as somebody employed by a liberal Catholic institution, there's as much gritting of teeth as celebration visible in the hallways at the moment.

In fact, compared to the liberal Catholics I've already heard discussing this decision not ten feet away, my comment was remarkably civil. [Smile] Out of respect for Dag, I will not quote here what his fellow Catholics -- including, at the moment, a Dominican nun -- are saying about the choice.

[ April 19, 2005, 01:15 PM: Message edited by: TomDavidson ]

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First an unenthusiastic member of the Hitler Youth, and now Pope. o_O
That is just about as meaningful as saying "First a boy scout, and now Pope."
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Hey, somebody gets elected Pope who was a Boy Scout, you can bet the Boy Scouts are going to be all over that. [Smile]
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Well, you know every German who was alive during WWII really wanted to be a Nazi and rule the world at Hitler's side... [Roll Eyes]
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Could someone elaborate on the significance of the choice of name? I mean, I know what Benedict means, but who were the last few holders of the name?
Benedict XV was pope during the first world war. I don't know very much about him but have heard him refered to as a man of peace. You can find the text of his published encyclicals here The Holy Father but sadly the biography has not yet been posted.

I think it is a good choice myself because it sidesteps all the political implications of say John Paul III, John XXIV, or say Pius XIII.

[ April 19, 2005, 01:29 PM: Message edited by: Miriya ]

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It just made me a little sad to see someone other then John Paul II step out onto the balcony. Even though I didn't always agree with his stands, he was the only Pope I ever knew. [Frown]
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I just want to point out that my reply was NOT intended to say that membership in the Hitler Youth said something particularly meaningful about any particular German's personality, given the circumstances, but rather to observe -- humorously, I hoped -- that the Boy Scouts would in fact make a big deal out of a Pope's Boy Scout membership. [Smile]
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*wishes she could overhear Tom's Dominican nun* I have several Catholic friends that I don't think are going to be terribly happy either.

AJ

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I wasn't saying that all Catholics are happy with this particular choice. I was saying that I'm under the impression that the choosing of a new pope is a generally happy occasion, much like a wedding is happy even if you think the groom is a neanderthal.

Grumbling just seems out of place. Kinda like turning funerals into political rallies (e.g. Terri Shiavo, Ronald Reagan.) Of course, I'm not a Catholic so I don't presume to speak for any or all of them.

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I'm not catholic...

I don't understand how there could be dissension over the new pope, though, among catholics. Don't they believe that the pope is actually chosen by God? If he stands as the Earthly representative of God, and they really believe that, then how could they question his appointment?

I don't get it.

Is it that they think he was incorrectly chosen? Like the council ignored God?

I just want to understand the catholic perspective. Personally, I don't believe in any of it. But we're not talking about ME. [Smile]

-Katarain

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quote:
compared to the liberal Catholics I've already heard discussing this decision not ten feet away, my comment was remarkably civil
Tom, did you really mean to imply that rudeness is a liberal trait? I mean when someone suggests that you are being so and your response is "well all the liberals within earshot are doing it..."

I'm just asking...

*polishes halo and looks innocent* [Razz]

Edit to add: For clarity, I am just pulling your chain, Tom... please don't feel you have to defend yourself from this...

[ April 19, 2005, 01:52 PM: Message edited by: Jim-Me ]

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No, no, it's "etiquette relativism."
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