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Minerva
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Here are some ways to test the randomness of a number: http://www.cs.tufts.edu/g/250P/classpages/RandTests.html

That page was written for a bit stream (so you would use those exact techniques on the binary value of pi).

This kind of thing is used often in cryptography to ensure that the keys are created randomly (or as randomly as possible).

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fugu, it sounds like a good approach.


Minerva...this sounds horrendously complicated -- I mean using the binary value of pi to 200 million regular digits??? Yikes!

But the tests are very clever and simple once you do that conversion, no?

Question, aren't the patterns of bits denoting a single digit essentially non-random? I mean, they specify a digit and not some other digit.

Hmm...

I guess it's okay. I like the brute force method, but then, I'm not a cryptographer.

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Yeah, the binary method would be an extremely elegant choice of rv, because then you should get a simple bernoulli distribution.
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Bob: yes, they do specify a digit and not some other digit, but that's just representation. The "number" is the same whether its in base 10, base 2, base 12, or base 111. None is in any way more fundamental than the others.
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quote:
It's just 37 x 0.17. Can't people do math without calculators any more?
I agree. I find it very alarming that one would have to post to a forum to find the solution for this math problem rather then just get a pencil and some paper and do the math.

I remember when we weren't allowed to bring calculators into the math classroom.

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You find it very alarming? Wow. Overreact much?
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Danzig
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I find it alarming that one needs a pencil and paper to do that calculation.
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quote:
You find it very alarming? Wow. Overreact much?
[ROFL] Judging from your response I would bet you know all about overreation.
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Coming soon on Hatrack, you will be able to get members to tie your shoes for you.
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Haloed Silhouette
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I prefer using a pencil and paper, Danzig. In 2nd-order stuff in algebra (say, parabulas - that we're going to do very soon, currently we're calculating areas of shapes created by various 1st order graphs and functions). The small things get me confused, and I failed COMPLETELY in three tests because of the plus-minus issues.

That's why I probably won't make it into "5 points"... It all depends on my test result, that I had today.

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Danzig
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In second-order algebra, I too would use a pencil and paper, unless I had to get up to get them. But .17 * 37 is mere multiplication. There are no plus-minus issues involved in that one.

Furthermore it just looks cool when you can do mental math faster than someone can type it out on the calculator. [Smile] It is useful when calculating sales tax while shopping too.

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Did anyone else who calculated this in their head go .17*37 --> 1.7*3.7 --> (2.7-1)*(2.7+1) --> (2.7)^2-1 --> 7.29-1 --> 6.29? 'Cause, you know, I'm just wondering if anyone else's brain works this way.

--Pop

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Nope, I just calculated .17*37, no tricks. It IS somewhat easier if you do it your way, of course, but easy doesn't enter into grown-up life! [Wink]
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Actually, I just waited for someone to post the answer.

[Wink]

& fugu, thanks!

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The numbers from LOST, run end-to-end, don't show up, either.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dagonee:
Apparently it's 6.

Ain't the Internet grand?

Assume most of this thread is pointless I was going skip to the last post but this caught my eye.

Thanks Dagonee, I've been looking for a site like this for a long time. It's just good to know the 43653284 digit of pi. [ROFL]

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quote:
Originally posted by Papa Moose:
Did anyone else who calculated this in their head go .17*37 --> 1.7*3.7 --> (2.7-1)*(2.7+1) --> (2.7)^2-1 --> 7.29-1 --> 6.29? 'Cause, you know, I'm just wondering if anyone else's brain works this way.

--Pop

nice [Cool]

Griffin

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quote:
17*37 --> 1.7*3.7 --> (2.7-1)*(2.7+1) --> (2.7)^2-1 --> 7.29-1 --> 6.29
It's nice making squares (especially when I know the squares of every number 'till about 30), but I don't try to make anything a square - I'd rather multiply one by the other.

If it's big numbers on paper (three numbers, three digits each), and I can make them a square or cube - I'd do it.

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