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Okay, my husband says I know him, but I don't remember him, other than the fact that my husband worked for him and would talk about him sometimes, but he was convicted of killing his wife today.
My husband worked for him about a decade ago, doing some advertising/marketing for him. He was a carpenter who worked out of his house. Everything had to be "Christian." Jesus was a carpenter, "Christian business," etc. All the advertising had to include references to Christianity. I believe we've discussed this before here at the rack and this guy was the person I'd based my experience on.
Anyway, last year, shortly after celebrating his 25th anniversary, he strangled his wife.
He was the "former board president of Veritas Christian School." He was also called "former chairman of Veritas Christian School's board of directors."
A prosecutor in the DA's office was also on the board. Miller resigned when he was charged with murder, but he's been out on bail for the last year.
Motive?
quote: Martin K. Miller felt his wife of nearly 25 years wasn’t meeting his needs.
He wanted more sex. He wanted her to appreciate his carpentry work and the work he did around the house. He wanted more communication, and he wanted more fun.
He signed up on 3 internet dating services and listed his marital status as "single" "involved, sort of" and "ask me later."
That's not the good part.
6,081 pornographic pictures were found on his computer. A disc full of pornographic pictures of him and his girlfriend were found. 91 photos of himself, most of them naked were found.
His girlfriend moved to a town closer to his so it would be easier for them to get together. She even set up a fake phone in the name of "Fred and Randi Peters." He'd tell his wife he was going to Bible Study at Fred's house.
quote: “I cannot face the idea of existing for another 20 or more years in this kind of relationship,” the diary states. “Because of the strong teaching I received about how much God hates divorce, I decided that I need to stick this out.”
But apparently, murder is cool with God?
Here's part of a creepy letter he wrote his girlfriend.
quote: “When I am a single again, yours will be the first door I knock on, if you are still available,” the letter stated. “I still feel that God is going to work something out. I don’t know when. I don’t know how.”
Gee. I wonder.
You know what creeps me out the most? The son's testimony.
quote: Matthew Miller testified that he fell asleep on the floor of his bedroom the night of July 27, then awoke in the night and heard his mother making noises in the next room as if she were having trouble breathing. He testified hearing his father in the bedroom at that time.
“He just said, ‘Calm down, calm down. Everything’s going to be all right,’” Matthew Miller said.
Matthew, who appeared as a prosecution witness, told Manna he heard his mother crying out between 20 and 25 times during the course of about half an hour.
“Were you scared?” Manna asked.
“Yes,” Matthew answered.
“What did you think was happening?”
“I wasn’t really sure, and I heard my dad in there, so that’s why I didn’t go in.”
What the hell? He took a half an hour to strangle his wife? How does that happen? Did he strangle her just enough to knock her unconscious and she kept coming back to life? During one of the 20-25 times came to, do you think it crossed his mind that maybe God didn't want his wife to die?
The 12 year old son and the 14 year old daughter both testified that they woke up in the night to the sound of their mother. . . making weird noises.
We just found about this today, and today is when they convicted him, so my husband is pretty stunned. I wonder if he's ever going to believe me when I say that anyone is capable of anything. He seems to think I should be more shocked than I am. I'm not shocked at all.
quote: Mary Miller touched many with her generosity, and hundreds of people who gathered Tuesday night in a Lawrence church to pay tribute to her also heard from her husband, the man accused of murdering her.
"She reminded me of the early spring flower," Martin K. "Marty" Miller wrote in a letter that was read to a crowd that overflowed the sanctuary at Victory Bible Church, 1942 Mass. "Her voice was soft and beautiful.
"I cannot express how deeply it hurts not to be able to say goodbye to my bride," Marty Miller wrote from the Douglas County Jail, where he is being held on a charge of first-degree murder.
Can you imagine being her parent, or child and having that read at her funeral by the man who murdered her? Sickening.
Anyway, just further proof that if you stick me in any town in America, I'll find the sickest baster there, faster than a magnet could find. . . well, anything metal.
Oh, and the other point. In the online newspaper, people can comment on the articles. Apparently, everyone seemed intent on not convicting this guy before the trial. And apparently some people got annoyed that they did, because the seemingly, the same people were crucifying Michael Jackson with no problem, but had to "reserve judgment" on this guy.
My husband was even annoyed with the hard-core republican at work, who was annoyed that he might have to sit on the jury trial of a K-State professor who murdered his wife. The guy who works with my husband "knew" he was guilty and didn't want to be on the jury. But, with this case, "with the liberal judge" and the fact that this guy was a "good Christian" and a personal friend, he'd have to wait to see if he was guilty or not.
Though I did like the first comment after this story. I feel sorry for the church, the kids and everyone involved.
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Actually, you'd be surprised how many people don't know how to apply a choke hold.
It's not particularly common knowledge and this fellow doesn't strike me as being especially competent to begin with.
Which means, assuming he wasn't intentionally torturing her, he could have taken that long trying to figure out what to do.
And without chucking stones, this is another example of how people can and often do pervert religious teachings to their own, decidedly warped perspective.
-Trevor
Edit: For structure.
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quote:This porn preceding murder scenario is looking more and more like an epidemic.
Are you kidding? Do you know how many millions of men have porn collections? It would be more odd if the guy had NO porn.
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Dave probably could have gotten off with an insanity defense, since he's been living with a rage disorder as long as I've known him.
He turned himself in. He rejected his lawyer's suggestion to plead not guilty. He apologized to his girlfriend's family, and he told the judge he didn't want foregiveness because he couldn't forgive himself.
I've seen him enraged several times, and when he realizes what's going on he forces a smile to his face and tells everyone he's done, he's ok now, and looks embarrassed. When I heard about this I figured he had only been able to put it off for so long, he probably feels safer in jail.
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Xav, I'm not shocked by the porn, but a little surprised. I mean, no one would be surprised if Joe Schmo offed his wife and had porn on his computer, but if a "pillar of the community" (which, by all accounts, this guy was) does it, it's a bit more shocking.
Glenn, this is just the first one convicted that I know. I knew another one who died before there was any type of trial. I'm a freak magnet.
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It would be easy to mistake unconsciousness from asphyxia for actual death. Humans are fairly resilient, though.
Since TMedina already made my nasty comment for me, I think I'll try to channel OSC's : "By the third time she woke up, she was no doubt in a persistent vegetative state from oxygen starvation. So it was perfectly legal to kill her."
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Though, actually, now that you mention it, I forgot about the next-door-neighbor who killed his parents when I was a live-in nanny in Carmichael, CA. He killed his dad in the house and chased his mom out in the yard, where the children would have been if we'd sent them to school that day, but it was their father's birthday so we were keeping them home. I always love the "deer in the headlights" neighbors who always say "he was such a quiet guy."
We couldn't leave the house for three days. But I didn't "know" him. He just lived next door. It's why I don't believe in meeting the neighbors.
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Ooh, ooh, I have one. Ted Bundy was in my mom's single's ward. She used to hang out with him, and she says the scariest thing is that nobody had any idea. Even when he was being investigated, before he pled guilty, the ward was behind him- he wrote to them from prison. He was at their big summer activity at Bear Lake- he had a thing for attacking brunettes near water, and my mom is a brunette. wooo.
Kayla- oh yeah, that too.
So if porn is such a commonplace thing, why is it always brought up as evidence against the defendent in these cases?
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quote: If porn is such a commonplace thing, why is it always brought up as evidence against the defendent in these cases?
To convince some bible thumpers in the jury?
Really, the only reason I would say it would be valid evidence in a trial is if it was...
1) Underage girls or boys
2) Concentration of violent Bondage / Rape / BDSM
3) To show hypocritical or contradictory evidence of a defendant's claim. Like if the defendant claims he wasn't turned on by violent images of women, and his computer was full of violent porn.
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One of the sound blurbs on CourtTV - "Just because someone is quiet doesn't mean they can't pull the trigger once."
Paraphrased, but very true.
Porn - it doesn't always have a deliberate impact on the case, but it can certainly be used to sway or influence a jury. This can take the form of quantity - "he had how much?" to nature and content "not only was he caught with a cow, he had specific porn to that effect."
But insofar as I am aware, there is no definitive research on a specific link between porn and violent behavior towards women.
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This truly sounded to me like it was more of his religion that was the problem. I mean, he liked porn, he liked the bondage thing, but his religion told him he couldn't divorce his wife. Or, at least that's what his twisted mind did to the religion.
If he'd been okay with divorcing his wife and going off and living his funky alternative lifestyle, then he wouldn't have had to kill his wife. But he'd spent his whole life pretending to be this perfect Christian. His business was built on it, his ties to the community was built on it. It was his whole life. Well, that and the S&M and girlfriends and porn.
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Belle, I believe he was 12 at the time, 13 now.
I hope so too. Apparently, a couple from their church have been taking care of them, so hopefully, they will be okay. Well, as okay as one could be.
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Mine was my boyfriend and he killed 3-5 right in front of me. I don't remember all the details, as it was a rather stressful night, considering what prompted the killings and he then tried to kill both of us and succeeded in killing himself.
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Bah, your murderers are all pikers. I myself am responsible for twenty or thirty deaths, most of them missionaries who chose a bad time to try converting me. I've given up eating them, though, they tend to be rather fatty. Bad for the cholesterol. My favourite implement is a vintage Great War flame-thrower, which makes it easy to get rid of the evidence; in my cannibal phase, I would usually use an axe. Also useful for breaking up with girlfriends. Cannibalism means never having to say you're sorry!
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Hey, I'm not going to compete with you. I'm just going to interject that I, too, knew a murderer. I truly had to jog my memory hard to remember some of the details. Google failed to come up with anything for me, or I'd share more specific details.
I was in high school, working at Pizza Hut. This guy worked there as well, as a cook, like me. He was a college graduate or drop out, early twenties. Not the most intelligent guy, but pleasant enough to work around, I guess. I remember a couple of polite conversations with him, and that's about it. I only knew him through the job. He didn't work there long.
One Sunday morning, sometime around Easter, he stabbed his brother to death somewhere in the vicinity of the water tower. I remember learning about this. I don't remember any details about his legal case. He wasn't an established citizen. While it shocked some people, it didn't make the headlines or the media stir like the crazy lady who killed her husband. (No, I did not know them.)
Ya know, if you're up for a challenge, I couldn't find anything using Google. Maybe a bored legal begal would enjoy the challenge of finding documents. The town was Phillipsburg, Kansas. I'm pretty sure it happened in 1999. There were only 2 murders there, to the best of my knowledge, between 1998 and 1999. I'm thinking the guy's name was "Scott," but I could be wrong.
I'm gonna go do some more digging. It shocked me that I'd forgotten this, albeit relatively minor incident, from that time period. It's been more than 5 years, so I can't guarantee all my facts listed above are accurate and so I put in lots of vaugaries and generalizations. Posts: 1813 | Registered: Apr 2001
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this I know a murderer too thing is starting to make me really paranoid. I don't known any murderers which means I probably do but dont know that their murderers. YetPosts: 832 | Registered: Jan 2005
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Lol, Well the answer is just be prepared. Boy Scout motto right? Know how to defend yourself. Yet more reason to go to the gym and work out right?
And quidscribis... Kayla... are you guys being serious about these? I honestly can't tell.
quote:Um, Kayla, Glenn, Lara, I hate to tell you this, but I'm willing to bet that I have y'all beat. And Kayla, I'm just as big a freak magnet as you, except in my case, I'm related to them, as I am to the murderer I know.
Don't know how many he killed, but he was never convicted, and won't be, but that's a whole other story. I saw one stabbed, and others were shot, but I really don't know what the body count is. None were his relatives, however - it was all business, pure and simple.
quote:Mine was my boyfriend and he killed 3-5 right in front of me. I don't remember all the details, as it was a rather stressful night, considering what prompted the killings and he then tried to kill both of us and succeeded in killing himself.
quote:(And my mother tried to kill me, and so did a boyfriend. Although not at the same time. [Big Grin])
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quid, we've all had trials in our lives, but I look at yours and don't know how you've done it. You're amazing.
Or as my father-in-law says, "If we all took our burdens out and laid them on the table to trade, we'd probably look around and take ours right back very quickly." Except maybe you wouldn't. But I sure would if I was looking at yours.
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This is relates to what someone was saying earlier, but I thought I'd share.
quote:But insofar as I am aware, there is no definitive research on a specific link between porn and violent behavior towards women.
This is what I have heard about the link.
Dr. Victor Cline Univ. of Calif. Berkley Ph D in Pyschology "Pornography Effects and Ultimate Consequences" February 7, 2001 In my work and experience with addicts when they repeatedly masturbate to inappropriate or deviant pornographic imagery either as memories in their head or with explicit external pornographic stimuli they risk, via classical conditioning, the acquiring of sexual addictions or related sexual illnesses or pathology. The work of such investigators as Dr. RL. McGuire, Dr. D.R. Evans., Dr. B.T. Jackson and many others, independently find and corroborate that masturbatory conditioning is the key to acquiring many sexual deviations and illnesses. It makes no difference if one is an eminent physician, attorney, minister, athlete, corporate executive, unskilled laborer, an average 15-year-old boy or even the President of the United States. All can be conditioned into deviancy. The process of masturbatory conditioning is inexorable and the deviations produced do not spontaneously remiss or go away.
Evans, D.R. “Masturbatory Fantasy and Sexual Deviation.” Behavior Research and Therapy. 1968, vol 6, p 17
Jackson, B. T. “A Case of Voyeurism Treated by Counter Conditioning.” Behavior Research and Therapy. 1969, vol 7. p133.
McGuire, R. J., et al. “ Sexual Deviations as Conditioned Behavior. A Hypothesis.” Behavior Research and Therapy. 1965. Vol 2, p. 185.
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quote:Unfortunately, I'm being dead serious. I could tell you more, but then, I suspect, everyone would stop talking to me. [Frown] Or at least would think I was the freak I am. Or something.
(((quid))))
I doubt anyone would think you were a freak. You survived which says that you are one hell of a tough person. And regardless of the details, we'd certainly still talk to you. Posts: 3295 | Registered: Jun 2004
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Alcon, why would someone joke about that? I also saw a guy standing next to me shot at the VP fair in St. Louis once. And two years later, a knife fight broke out where I'd set up my camera to take pictures of the fireworks. I don't recall if anyone died, though I thought the guy who was shot did. (But when you look up the fair, they always talk about how safe it is. And considering there were generally about 4 million people there the two years I was there, the crime rate was probably considered pretty low, I just happened to be a statistical freak in witnessing both.)
I also had a neighbor who killed his wife by driving his car into a tree because he was drunk. (It was a rough curve and had been discussed to death. . . ooh, no pun intended. . . about how dangerous it was and after the "accident" the trees were cut down.)
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I can't believe we're having this conversation. It's like rubbernecking without the schadenfreude.
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Quietly points to KOM's post. Also... its just plain unbelievable.
But... (((Kayla))) Yeesh. It's amazing that you've experienced all that and not gone nuts. Again, you've got to be amazingly tough. *solemnly salutes*
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quote: This truly sounded to me like it was more of his religion that was the problem. I mean, he liked porn, he liked the bondage thing, but his religion told him he couldn't divorce his wife. Or, at least that's what his twisted mind did to the religion.
I am glad you threw in that last sentence, and I think we can all clearly agree that if the man had no problem with porn, cheating on his wife, or lying to her straight faced, then the problem wasn't his religion but perhaps pride, lust, and greed.
There are a lot of people out there who claim to be religious, but usually do so for their own benefit. Who knows, at some point in time he may have been truly christian, but he definately had turned away from God by the time he got to where he is now.
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I think I will only allow myself to look at porn from now on after a rigorous workout, thereby conditioning myself to aerobic exercise.
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Much like Pavlov's dog and its associating food and a ringing bell (or was it being trained to salivate on command?), you run the risk of being sexually stimulated while engaging in aerobic exercise.
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I wish I had the time to contribute to this... I have a lot to say about the coincidneces and dangers of mixing religion and self-hatred... but I'm afraid I can't right now... can some one bump this in a couple of weeks?
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I know a murderer, too--my husband's ex-stepbrother. About a month ago he shot and killed his wife; she'd filed for divorce a few weeks before, and the rumor mill had it that he was beating her. I think he's in the hospital for a psychiatric evaluation right now. Yesterday my husband talked to a detective about his ex-stepfather, Mike's father, because he's attempting to grab custody of Mike's two children. Which is pretty ridiculous that he'd even try, but who can fathom a mind like that. He was abusive to his stepkids and overindulgent of his biokids when they were all growing up together; the judge would have to be crazy to think he'd make a fit guardian (especially since the murdered wife's parents are perfectly willing and able to take them on), but...go figure Posts: 957 | Registered: Aug 2002
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I'm impressed -- I thought it would be long before now.
Oh, believe me, the worst is yet to come. This is only the beginning.
(I can't believe no one mentioned Trevor's comment... Are we all ignoring him in the hopes that he'll stop?)
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Explain? Who wants you to explain? I'm just really glad it didn't start a pun-fest. This topic DOES NOT need one.
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