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Not exactly a "Rock Band", But how about Elvis? Sorry if it's been said already...I didn't read everyones lists.
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I don't know if I would put cake quite as high on my personal list as Tool or Radiohead, but I should have included them.
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Muse= Rather cool. Their music is very grand. I do not love them the way I love Dir en grey but they are way better than Maroon Five and Coldplay I think...
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quote:Originally posted by Irami Osei-Frimpong: Did Nirvana change everything, or were they just the first to ride the geist. Soundgarden, pearl jam, and STP(all of whom I like better than Nirvana) were coming into flower and the big hair bands had to go sometime.
Not to drugde up an old arguement, but I think it's important to state that none of those bands brought about the rock revolution of the 90's. If it weren't for the bands Mudhoney, Mother Love Bone, and The Melvins, then rock would not exist as it does today.
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I'm not a huge fan of Bush or anything, but I never understood the derogatory comparisons to Nirvana. Actually, I didn't even know such comparisons existed until I went to buy Golden State when it was first released. The music store had put a sticker under the shelf the album was on, and it said "Nirvana-bes." I thought that was kind of funny, but I still don't understand the comparisons. Bush doesn't even strike me as being in the same genre as Nirvana.
I don't know how I missed this thread the first time, but The Beatles would've been the only band I could list. I think this thread kind of degenerated into everyone naming really good rock bands, and not the best. As far as I'm concerned, no band holds a candle to The Beatles, and I say this as a rabid fan of many, many bands.
Recently I've been listening to the anthology discs, and for the bazillionth time in my life, The Beatles are blowing me away.
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I'd like to nominate Linkin Park. They started the rock/rap revolution and fused two sounds I never would have believed could be combined.
Rock had gotten a bit stagnant before then, and it's getting a bit stagnant now. Most of the radio sounds like them or Blink 182. The next great rock band is out there somewhere perfecting their craft and waiting to redefine the sound...again.
I'd also like to nominate Korn for spending most of the 90s finding ways to make music sound like no one else. Plus, for a long time, there was always something new and innovative to look forward to.
System of a Down puts out some amazing albums. They cross genres with total disregard for expectations. I take a while to warm up to a new song, but Toxicity is easily in my top five.
My favorite song ever is by Candlebox. I don't think they were innovative or influential or even particularly different. I just think "You" sums up the 90s better than anything else.
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"I'd like to nominate Linkin Park. They started the rock/rap revolution and fused two sounds I never would have believed could be combined."
I'm not sure how you can make this statement, and then talk about Korn, and not notice the error of your ways. Korn was doing the rap/rock fusion well before linkin park came into being. And Korn ripped directly from Anthrax.
I'm not sure if Anthrax was ripping anyone, but the rap/rock fusion predated linkin park by at least 10 years, if not 15
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Red Hot Chili Peppers sound way different to Linkin Park but they were still doing the rock/rap thing before Linkin Park ever did.
I will put my vote in for Pink Floyd (my favourite band of all time). My favourite song is way different to my favourite band, (Iris by the Goo Goo Dolls)
Has anybody mentioned Metallica yet? I'm not really into their really heavy headbanging stuff but they do have some really awesome songs (Nothing Else Matters, Fade to Black, Mama Said, King Nothing, Whisky in the Jar)
Green Day, I liked their earlier stuff more then their latest stuff.
And my last nominations goes to Shihad (New Zealand band), you might know them better as Pacifier as they changed their name for a short time after 9/11 when they were touring in America, it sounded too much like Jihad.
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quote:The Beatles are my favorite band, but not what I think of when I think of "rock". Pink Floyd is far and away the best, I think.
Such a big sound, and they made every note count.
I thoght this was interesting Frisco. Because I'm exactly the opposite. I think I can freely say that Pink Floyd is my favorite band ever. But I would have to say The Beatles are the greatest rock band of all time.
The Bealtes, Pink Floyd, and Radiohead are to me the 3 greatest bands of all time.
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quote:I'd like to nominate Linkin Park. They started the rock/rap revolution and fused two sounds I never would have believed could be combined.
WHAT?
No. No. No. No. No. No. No.
Not only is that information not correct, but Mike Shinoda is one of the LEAST talented rappers/lyricists in history.
I'm going to agree with anyone who suggests Pink Floyd or the Beatles are number one. There are a lot of other very important influences, but those two are revolutionary.
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Dream theater is... eh. They have talent, but they haven't ever done anything NEW. Great instrumentation, yes... but a lot of other bands from their era have great instrumentation, too.
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I think they're better than you give them credit for. Listen to Liquid Tension Experiment. It's basically the same band only without the vocalist and it's all instrumental. Great stuff there.
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I know its great instrumentation. I'm not saying it isn't. I'm saying they haven't been very innovative. There are at least a dozen bands who were doing the Dream Theatre thing before Dream Theatre was... Dream Theatre just does it better then most of them. If we're looking at innovation, then Dream Theatre isn't in the mix. If we're looking at quality of instrumentation, I think they are a great band for sure. But the greatest? No.
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Here are a few that haven't been mentioned (I think), but are serious contenders:
Steely Dan Talking Heads Flaming Lips Cream Joy Division Santana
Also, I think greatest bands are determined by at least a decade worth of hindsight. So, although these bands are too new to make a definitive statement about yet, I think The Shins and Death Cab for Cutie have a decent shot of joining the ranks.
I won't get into which ones from earlier in the thread I love, and which I hate, but those are some new ones.
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Oh, there's one I forgot. The band Sting put together for his first album was a once-in-a-lifetime phenomenon. Imagine getting Branford Marsalis, Kenny Kirkland, Darryl Jones and Omar Hakim, and turning them into a rock/fusion band.
Unfortunately for Sting, there was nowhere to go from there but down. It was amazing while it lasted, though.
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Let me just say that I'm sorry you don't find more of Elvis Costello's stuff to rise to the level of My Aim is True. IMHO, his work is consistently some of the best out there.
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Huh, I'm not really a fan of Radiohead, the vocalist just grinds on me. On the other hand, I have to say that Incubus and Muse sound nothing like them. Least ways nothing like the songs on OK Computer I listen to from time to time.
I'm really surprised no one's mentioned the Barenaked Ladies. I mean come on, if we give Radiohead and Dave Matthews a nod here, we've gotta give BNL a nod...
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JUst listened to 'Creep'. Still not feeling the Radiohead. The vocalist still annoys the hell out of me, and the rest of the song is nothing new. Even if they started the new piano/mope rock whatever genre (which I'm not convinced of and, which isn't that big a deal), they do it so much worse than those that follow. Starting a genre doesn't give you many points if you can't actually play good music in said genre. Honestly give me a break.
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Beatles, Aerosmith and other crap bands like that - no. Beatles are overrated and everyone just feels sorry for John Lennon. They really weren't that great. Innovative, sure. Boring? Hell yes. They were also the first version of the New Kids on the Block/NSync/Backstreet Boys. That puts them way lower than other bands. Aerosmith... lol that's just a joke band. They suck, have sucked, and always will suck.
Best rock band in the world? Probably Rush, but I don't listen to them all that much anymore. Best band in the world?
Against Me!.
Don't know who they are? Look them up.
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Who is more influential, the guy who did it first or the guy who made it popular? I would argue groundwork means nothing if noone else treads there.
To that end, I would say Linkin Park was the most inflential in the rock/rap movement. They made the sound accessible.
Britney Spears, the first boy band, Avril Lavigne, whoever wrote the first R&B song with a dance beat and rap verse in the middle. These people spawned hundreds of wannabes and were enormously influential. I can't say I'd listen to any of them on purpose, but someone does.
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"I would argue groundwork means nothing if noone else treads there."
I just don't understand this and everyone else who swears how important a band's influence is. Why do we have to rank a band based on how many rip-offs they inspired? If two bands are equally good but one of them has more "influence" on other bands' sounds, I think both bands are still equal. It's not the first band's fault that no one wnated to copy their style even though they were good. I think each band should be ranked based on their own sound, not on whether other bands decided to copy them.
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Errr...I think everyone is forgetting Wyld Stallyns, who rule. I mean, their music brought peace and harmony to the world and ushered in an Utopian Age. Compared to that, the Beatles (who would otherwise be #1) were just a bunch of mop topped nancy boys.
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quote:Originally posted by Fitz: [QB] I'm not a huge fan of Bush or anything, but I never understood the derogatory comparisons to Nirvana. Actually, I didn't even know such comparisons existed until I went to buy Golden State when it was first released. The music store had put a sticker under the shelf the album was on, and it said "Nirvana-bes." I thought that was kind of funny, but I still don't understand the comparisons. Bush doesn't even strike me as being in the same genre as Nirvana.
It's startingly how similar the vocals and music are on a number of songs. Bush's second album was an attempt to be more raw (ringing any bells) which was produced by Steve Albini, who produced Nirvana's far more superior raw album.
quote:Originally posted by MrSquicky: Errr...I think everyone is forgetting Wyld Stallyns, who rule. I mean, their music brought peace and harmony to the world and ushered in an Utopian Age. Compared to that, the Beatles (who would otherwise be #1) were just a bunch of mop topped nancy boys.
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I would like to nominate Easy Star All-Stars. Anyone who can take Dark Side of the Moon (one of the few perfect albums) and redo it while still keeping the original magic is light years ahead of contemporary bands.
I suspect they were sitting around and brainstorming how they could make Pink Floyd feel more like a drug trip and someone said, "I know, let's make it reggae!!”
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"It's not polite to try and invalidate someone's points with such trivial matters."
Who told you that? I wasn't even trying to "invalidate" your point, I have no idea where you pulled that from. But now that you mention it, I think it's more likely that you formed your opinion from reading those articles than they formed theirs after reading yours.
Anyways, still waiting for someone else to mention Primus as one of the greatest. Les Claypool was definitely one of the greatest rock bassists ever and was very innovative.
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Who said it has to go either of those ways? I actually formed the opinion myself and then checked on their websites to see what the people who get paid to think thought.
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quote:Originally posted by lem: I would like to nominate Easy Star All-Stars. Anyone who can take Dark Side of the Moon (one of the few perfect albums) and redo it while still keeping the original magic is light years ahead of contemporary bands.
I suspect they were sitting around and brainstorming how they could make Pink Floyd feel more like a drug trip and someone said, "I know, let's make it reggae!!”
I love that album. I was watching a British show called Saxondale last week, and during one of the episodes a brief snippet of Easy Star All-Star's cover of Time was played. I thought "whoa, that was awesome. what was that?" Some quick research led me to the answer, and I got the album. It's fantastic.
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"I actually formed the opinion myself and then checked on their websites to see what the people who get paid to think thought."
Ok, I believe you. I just don't understand how you thought I was trying to "invalidate someone's points with such trivial matters." And why that's "not polite" even if I was . (And I apologize in advance if it's considered impolite to excessively put someone's words in quotes )
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quote:I would like to nominate Easy Star All-Stars. Anyone who can take Dark Side of the Moon (one of the few perfect albums) and redo it while still keeping the original magic is light years ahead of contemporary bands.
While I wouldn't go so far as to call that band one of the greatest rock bands of all time, the album IS fantastic. One of my friends turned me on to it last year.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by GaalDornick: [QB] 3 bands which definitely need to be mentioned here: Primus Guns N' Roses Styx
Thank you for mentioning Styx. I won't propose that they are the best band ever, but I will say they are my all-time FAVE! The Dennis DeYoung/Tommy Shaw years produced some of the best music I've ever heard. Styx
When I was in high school I LOVED Pearl Jam, STP and Bush. I understand the arguments for Nirvana, but I gotta say, I just couldn't get into it. Kurt Cobain was just a little too raw for me. And I gotta say that for in spite of how ridiculous I think AC/DC is, I can really get down to some back in black.
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When I was in high school I LOVED Pearl Jam, STP and Bush. I understand the arguments for Nirvana, but I gotta say, I just couldn't get into it. Kurt Cobain was just a little too raw for me.
The bands you named were the more mainstream, sell-outish grunge bands. I love Nirvana. But they probably sold out the most. I think their CD In Utero totally made up for it though.
Their first CD, Bleach , was a more raw, heavy metal CD. Then there was Nevermind , I don't think I really need to say anything. Then the hodge podge collection Incesticide, with the songs "Sliver," and "Anuerysm," which are two of their best songs.
Their next studio release, the previously mentioned In Utero, was a return to their undergroud roots. It's a far more superior CD, and it alienated all of the fakes. "Radio Friendly Unit Shifter" has to be one of the greatest in your face rock songs EVAH!
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quote:Originally posted by johnsonweed: I agree that Led Zeppelin deserves a place on the best band list, but where? what did they do that was really innovative? What they are noteworthy of is doing their thing and doing it well.
Ok, I know I'm late to this thread but... got to take issue with the above. By the thread starters definition greatest = most influential to their genre.
Zeppelin and Black Sabbath are far and away the most influential bands for the Hard Rock/Heavy Metal genre. Almost any band in the genre will tell you the same thing.
To say Zeppelin only played good songs and played them well is selling them very short. They fused bluesy rock with mysticism to create the ultimate band that still influencies today.
Black Sabbath and Lemmy's severed thumb created the deep bass chord still heard in Heavy Metal and all its off shoots today.
I too think the Beatles songwriting/musicianship was great.
As for Nirvana, I've always thought they were overrated. They were good, but hardly as awesome and most credit them. But they were influential and still are. This happens when a band leader dies and is "worshipped" afterwards.
Others on my list would include: AC/DC Radiohead Lynard Skynard Kiss (yes Kiss they were very influential) Guns n Roses Green Day Pink Floyd Queen
There are tons of other bands I love, but as I said before, this is a list of greates = influential bands.
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Pink floyd is the best band of all time followed by zeppelin and queen
Blind guardian, maiden, metallica, opeth, slayer can all be argued to have lasting influences on metal/hard rock of the day or just be very innovative bands in their genre.
Korn, deftones can said to start the angsty "teen metal" or "rap metal" or w/e its gonna be called. Perhaps even the roots for screemo or emo.
Of course bach and beethoven could be considered to be the origin of musical patters that are emulated closely by rock music.
Even then you look back farther to gregorian chants and see patters and tones that would have been the foundations for classical music.
i guess the most influential or best band of all time is whichever influences and reaches to the individual the most.
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quote:Originally posted by erosomniac: How can you say this:
quote:As for Nirvana, I've always thought they were overrated. They were good, but hardly as awesome and most credit them.
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quote:Others on my list would include: ... Green Day
in the same post? O_O
I didn't say they shouldn't be on the list. I simply said they are overrated in my mind. I think they were influential. And personally I think Dave Grohl is the best musician of his era.
As for Green Day, they have been very influential to the current poprock crap that is out there.
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quote:Originally posted by striplingrz: Black Sabbath and Lemmy's severed thumb created the deep bass chord still heard in Heavy Metal and all its off shoots today.
Lemmy? Do you mean Tony Iommi and his missing fingertips (causing him to need to lower the tuning of his guitar to be able to play without too much pain)? Lemmy is the Motorhead guy.
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