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Blayne Bradley
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Okay so I'm at school, I forgot to write down my home ip address before I went to school because I wanna try out port forwarding.

I call home and ask my dad to get my ip address, so far its been a no go, because he's dispite all his grand standing is pretty computer illiterate he goes on about how I don't know enough about computers and yet he cannot do a simple task.

Start Menu > Accessories > Command Prompt

type in: ipconfig /all

Ok now tell me the Ip address.

192.168.1.1


=( Thats not it!!!

255.255.255.1

[Mad] thats not it either!

then he gives me my hamachi ip, nononono do not look under hamachi ethernet look under local area.

Apparently he can't find my ip address, ack!

Frustration levels rising...

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I usually just open my internet browser and go to http://whatismyip.com
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Ummm, well, if you have a router, the IP will likely be 192.168.xxx.xxx, which is the internal IP to your network. The only way to get the "real" IP is to access the router admin pages.

ipconfig isn't likely to provide you what you need for port forwarding... But Baron's suggestion ought to.

-Bok

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Mine is much worse. Everytime I go to my dad's house, he hands me a piece of paper with websites he wants added to his "favorites". The sad thing is, he will have the entire address (www.whateverwebsite.com). I tried to tell him to just type that into the address bar. No good. He only wants to see it in his favorites. So I do it, then go set the time on his VCR. Yes, his VCR!
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I used to have to go to my wife's grandmothers house twice a year to reset all her digital clocks. Daylights Savings Time was her enemy.

My mother calls me over to turn off the caps-lock and turn on the num-lock so she can type her recipes.

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Blayne,
You owe your dad an apology on this one. It's what you didn't know that kept you from getting the information that you forgot and interrupted his day to have him get for you.

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Hopefully this will teach him to not do any favors for you, and you'll both be happier.

[ December 04, 2006, 01:23 PM: Message edited by: mr_porteiro_head ]

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I refuse to give technical support to family members, primarily because beating them with a chair is frowned upon by other family members.

As for your situation... If I were in that situation, I'd probably have better luck explaining it to my dog than to my father.

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So! If us paternally inclined persons of a certan age are so darn useless, why do I get phone calls from 1000 miles away, in the middle of the night, when a car won't go?
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Blayne Bradley
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hmm? Apologize for what? I didnt swear at him or get into a fight I simply feel frustrated that I couldnt get my home desktop ip, however the above advice for whatsmyip.com worked, it had slipped my mind. Dang royters.

Sad thing is after all this I still cant do port forwarding because i still need to set up an ssh server at home, I set it up for my laptop but not my desktop yet.

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Blayne,
Really? You didn't visit any of the misplaced frustration you vented here on your Dad? If not, well, it's still polite to appologize to someone when you fruitlessly interrupt their day because you lack the necessary knowedge, but I wouldn't say that you "owe" him one.

[ December 04, 2006, 01:56 PM: Message edited by: MrSquicky ]

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I'm having a hard time not laughing about you calling your dad computer illiterate just because you don't know what a 192 address means. [Smile]
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Blayne -- are you supposed to be doing port forwarding from your school to your home?
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quote:
Originally posted by Zeugma:
I'm having a hard time not laughing about you calling your dad computer illiterate just because you don't know what a 192 address means. [Smile]

Lawlz. Ditto. [Taunt]
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Blayne, I think you are a dear and all, but before you start accusing other people of illiteracy, maybe you need to clean house with your own spelling, capitalization, and all that.

Hey, I think that your style is endearing, but maybe you aren't living in the right kind of house to be throwing stones, huh?

And the code words for today: respect and tolerance.
[Group Hug]

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Blayne Bradley
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huh okay there's a misunderstanding here:

I know that the following: 192.168.1.1 == LAN IP

I know that 255.255.255.1 == subnet mask

I know that 5.x.x.x == Hamachi Ip I know exactly what each was, when I said thats not it either, I say it in full knolwedge of when you ask for a diet coke and get a root beer you say "thats not it".

Hey if you want I can come up with a list of things my dad has gotten wrong before and I got right but was never awcknoledged for.

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Yeah, that sounds like a productive and fun way to spend our time.
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Blayne, what you're missing is that your dad DID find your machine's local IP address. [Smile]
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By using the directions you gave him.
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quote:
Originally posted by Tante Shvester:
Blayne, I think you are a dear and all, but before you start accusing other people of illiteracy, maybe you need to clean house with your own spelling, capitalization, and all that.

Hah! I knew people paid attention to that. Not many people replied when I posted on this subject a couple of weeks ago. [Wall Bash]
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I just followed the ipconfig /all directions, and got just what your dad got: the local ip and the subnet ip.

I can't believe, the nerve of your dad. You really should give him a wax tablet and bone stylus and let him play with something he's more comfortable with [Wink]

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Hmm, my PowerBook has a convenient little widget that tells me everything I'd ever need to know about my network and system.
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Blayne Bradley
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thing is I generally do get my real external ip when I do ipconfig /all. router or no router.
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quote:
thing is I generally do get my real external ip when I do ipconfig /all. router or no router.
The thing is, your Dad did what you told him to do, got the exact results he should have, reported those results to you correctly, and then you went to an internet forum to insult your dad to the whole world.

Then when you are told that it was not your dad at fault, you aren't the LEAST BIT sorry that you insulted your father to the whole world, and are continuingly trying to defend the action.

It is this sort of warped world view that makes me unable to take your word for it in any account of the injustices you face from your family and others when you report them to this forum expecting sympathy.

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quote:
Originally posted by Xavier:
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thing is I generally do get my real external ip when I do ipconfig /all. router or no router.
The thing is, your Dad did what you told him to do, got the exact results he should have, reported those results to you correctly, and then you went to an internet forum to insult your dad to the whole world.

Then when you are told that it was not your dad at fault, you aren't the LEAST BIT sorry that you insulted your father to the whole world, and are continuingly trying to defend the action.

It is this sort of warped world view that makes me unable to take your word for it in any account of the injustices you face from your family and others when you report them to this forum expecting sympathy.

*insert applause smiley*
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quote:
Originally posted by MrSquicky:
By using the directions you gave him.

NO!!! BLOCK IT OUT!!! NOTHING IS YOUR FAULT.... even the things that ARE your fault for forgetting them are really other people's faults for not automatically fixing them for you!!!
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I really need to start animating these threads.
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quote:
Originally posted by Tante Shvester:

Blayne, I think you are a dear and all, but before you start accusing other people of illiteracy, maybe you need to clean house with your own spelling, capitalization, and all that.

Hey, I think that your style is endearing, but maybe you aren't living in the right kind of house to be throwing stones, huh?

And the code words for today: respect and tolerance.
[Group Hug]

Tante always knows the nicest way to burst people's bubbles.

If I ever get cancer or a family member dies, I would want Tante to be the messenger.

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Okay this just happened 5 minutes ago,

I head down sairs my dad goes to my bedroom door and opens it, and says he wants a copy of MS office 2003 I tell him he has 2 choices: download it or pay the 130$. I tell him to ask adrian.

Now before I can continue to explain why to do so he goes on a tirade about how I do not help him enough that I shouldnt talk to him like that.

I explain to him that if he listened for once and not interrupt me I could explain to him that the reaosn why I say to ask adrian is because I do not have any cd's to burn it on, I do not have the installer so he needs to download it on the computer in question.

He says "is that gesture rehorsed? Do you need a soap box you look ridiculas", I tell him if that if he wasnt so stubburn and finally accept that I can be right about something for a change he would have realized I gave him perfectly reasonable advice: A) My flash drive is full, B) I have no blank dvd's/cd's and C) files cant be transfered across our network because of adrians stubburness, so I cannot download it on my computer to install it on my moms computer.

He needs to go upstairs and ask adrian to download/inastall it because I do not know which bittorrent program adrian uses and he freaks out when I put anything (including better firewalls) on that computer, so he needs to ask adrian to downlaod it.

I swear I had to repeat myself 3 times before he walks off.

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Welcome to puberty.
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quote:
Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
Okay this just happened 5 minutes ago,

I head down sairs my dad goes to my bedroom door and opens it, and says he wants a copy of MS office 2003 I tell him he has 2 choices: download it or pay the 130$. I tell him to ask adrian.

Now before I can continue to explain why to do so he goes on a tirade about how I do not help him enough that I shouldnt talk to him like that.

I explain to him that if he listened for once and not interrupt me I could explain to him that the reaosn why I say to ask adrian is because I do not have any cd's to burn it on, I do not have the installer so he needs to download it on the computer in question.

He says "is that gesture rehorsed? Do you need a soap box you look ridiculas", I tell him if that if he wasnt so stubburn and finally accept that I can be right about something for a change he would have realized I gave him perfectly reasonable advice: A) My flash drive is full, B) I have no blank dvd's/cd's and C) files cant be transfered across our network because of adrians stubburness, so I cannot download it on my computer to install it on my moms computer.

He needs to go upstairs and ask adrian to download/inastall it because I do not know which bittorrent program adrian uses and he freaks out when I put anything (including better firewalls) on that computer, so he needs to ask adrian to downlaod it.

I swear I had to repeat myself 3 times before he walks off.

If you had begun by explaining that you don't have any cd's and all that, I bet your father would not have gotten angry at you. An important part of communication is not only what you say but also how you say it. "Sorry, but I don't have any blank cd's, maybe you should ask Adrian" would have worked much better than whatever you said.
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quote:
Okay this just happened 5 minutes ago,

I head down sairs my dad goes to my bedroom door and opens it, and says he wants a copy of MS office 2003 I tell him he has 2 choices: download it or pay the 130$. I tell him to ask adrian.

Now before I can continue to explain why to do so he goes on a tirade about how I do not help him enough that I shouldnt talk to him like that.

I explain to him that if he listened for once and not interrupt me I could explain to him that the reaosn why I say to ask adrian is because I do not have any cd's to burn it on, I do not have the installer so he needs to download it on the computer in question.

He says "is that gesture rehorsed? Do you need a soap box you look ridiculas", I tell him if that if he wasnt so stubburn and finally accept that I can be right about something for a change he would have realized I gave him perfectly reasonable advice: A) My flash drive is full, B) I have no blank dvd's/cd's and C) files cant be transfered across our network because of adrians stubburness, so I cannot download it on my computer to install it on my moms computer.

He needs to go upstairs and ask adrian to download/inastall it because I do not know which bittorrent program adrian uses and he freaks out when I put anything (including better firewalls) on that computer, so he needs to ask adrian to downlaod it.

I swear I had to repeat myself 3 times before he walks off.

I feel like I should repeat:

quote:
It is this sort of warped world view that makes me unable to take your word for it in any account of the injustices you face from your family and others when you report them to this forum expecting sympathy.
Even when you are trying your best to sound like the hero in the story of your life, I pretty much always sympathize with your "oppressors".

But its not like I am going to snap you out of your perceptions, so I don't think there's anything more that I can say.

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you are not helping my warm fuzzy little freind.
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Actually, he's being more helpful than almost anyone else -- if only you were able to accept what he says.
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In literature this is known as an "unreliable narrator."
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Dude, why were you so rude? A simple "I can't do that" would have served nicely. And by the way, from now on I'm going to demand that you re-horse all your divisions in Vicky. Cavalry for the win!
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quote:
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Dude, why were you so rude? A simple "I can't do that" would have served nicely. And by the way, from now on I'm going to demand that you re-horse all your divisions in Vicky. Cavalry for the win!

He couldn't just say it that way, because the way he wanted to do it is guaranteed to evoke abuse from his father by frustrating him, which is what Blayne tends to do. I'll go so far as to say that Blayne sets up these little fights with his family, if not consciously, then certainly on an enthusiastic subconscious level. This whole argument about getting Dad to do something he can't do because Blayne "forgot," smacks of Blayne setting up the situation in order to get into it with his father... and shockingly that was what happened. Blayne! At your age if you are getting abused all the time by everybody around you, it is likely because you are evoking it, as your way of controlling your interactions.
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my tonne was one of annoyed frustration because he keeps asking me again and again to get him a copy of MS office 2003 and I keep politely at first and slowly degrading over time that I do not have a copy and that it can only either be downloaded or bought in a store.
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Perhaps you could have said, "Dad, I'm not going to illegally copy Microsoft Office for you. Don't set a bad example for me by stealing software."
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Why not just empty out your flash drive, copy the files, dump them on his computer, then put everything back on your flash drive?

Or why not ask if you could use one of his CD-Rs since you were out?

Why not learn how to properly configure your network so your machines can talk to one another? Setting up a PDC on an old PC wouldn't be a bad start. I'm running an OpenBSD server with Samba right now that does the trick on a really, really old box.

If you want to be Mr. l33t computer guy, you'd better start figuring this kind of thing out. At this point, you just sound like another mouth-breathing n00b to me.

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Even when you are trying your best to sound like the hero in the story of your life, I pretty much always sympathize with your "oppressors".
Ditto. And that should be a huge, huge, huge red flag.
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Okay I do configure my network to share files but it only works once in a blue moon, I have figured out ways to get it to work but they always piss off my brother and I'm sick and tired of those arguements.

Next, my flash drive also happens to be my Ipod Shuffle with 512 MB space not enough room for Office.

Also my CD-R drive doesnt always work either I get a read/write error sometimes when I burn and my brother has stopped lending me CD's.

I had an FTP server but my paypal account ran out of money so its closed until I get paid, and even then it takes a really long time to upload download files.

Also, the politness factor in my family is pretty much noneexisent no one is polite to each other and all attempts at politeness haven't gone so well, usually ending with my getting interrupted midsentence.

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quote:
Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
I had an FTP server but my paypal account ran out of money so its closed until I get paid, and even then it takes a really long time to upload download files.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/filezilla/

Host it from your machine, on the LAN, and just ftp to your own machine. Not hard.

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Next, my flash drive also happens to be my Ipod Shuffle with 512 MB space not enough room for Office.

Almost all versions of Office will fit into 512MB. Not that you should be sharing Office with people anyway.

Out of interest, did you get YOUR copy legally?

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Even if your family isn't polite to one another, you should be polite to them. This isn't in order to change them or anything, but just to make yourself a better person.
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http://www.openoffice.org/

Open Office is free.

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quote:
Originally posted by MightyCow:
http://www.openoffice.org/

Open Office is free.

I second the plug. Very good program!
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Tell your father to use emacs. [Big Grin]
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XEmacs is available for Windows.
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i'll suggest it but the main issue is that there;s some corrupt file in express that if i'm not mistaken is making it impossible to for them to check their email, so I doublt open office would help.
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