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I thought (maybe wrongly so) that the rehab was just for substance abuse. If it's a good clinic, they'll evaluate for mood disorders as well. That's encouraging.
It's just that in my admittedly minimal reading about her problems in the mass media, I haven't seen much dicussion about PPD as a possibility. "Dooce" got me thinking about this, actually.
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She gave birth in September of 2006, right? Just about one year after the prior birth, from what I'm reading.
From eMedicine on postpartum depression, postpartum psychosis may look like a maniac episode: "The condition resembles a rapidly evolving manic or mixed episode with symptoms such as restlessness and insomnia, irritability, rapidly shifting depressed or elated mood, and disorganized behavior." Onset would have been in the first few weeks after delivery, but it can wax and wane after that.
For comparison, an acute methamphetamine abuse episode also looks like mania: "Amphetamines stimulate the central nervous system (CNS), which results in one or more clinical effects: inducing euphoria; intensifying emotions; altering self-esteem; and increasing alertness, aggression, and sexual appetite." Sounds quite similar, actually.
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Well, the child endangerment would fit with PPD/PPP, for sure. But from what I've heard the hair-shaving-off has been done by more than one person on meth.
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Which is one reason why it might well be a co-occurring problem, yes? I can well imagine a woman with PPD who had used meth in the past deciding to use it again, especially if she was not in a time of good judment for other reasons.
I'm not diagnosing her, mind you. I'm just surprised it wasn't raised as a possible reason.
I was also surprised that the discussions I saw (again, limited in my perspective about this) about the astronaut who kidnapped another woman didn't seem to consider the possibility of psychosis. They seemed -- at least by my read -- to assume her behavior was fully under her control.
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I agree that it could definitely be self-medication (although I've known more women to self-medicate with alcohol than with meth, but then I don't know a LOT of illegal drug users) and, for what it's worth, I've heard the possibility of PPD/PPP raised in most conversations I've been in about her for more than a year now. (When I haven't raised it myself.)
I didn't even hear about the other, but I think I would ASSUME psychosis first in a case like that...
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Well, that's reassuring! *grin (I mean that PPD/PPP was being raised in many conversations and that you, too, would think of psychosis as well.)
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Ah! You might be unfamiliar with the concept of "thread drift," which -- although not unique to Hatrack -- has a long and vast history here. Let me see if I can find some links for you.
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If Britney spent more time with primates learning to make spears and hunt for food, and less time with Paris Hilton learning to be a pathetic waste of human life, she and her baby would both be much better off.
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I certainly wouldn't recommend making many of her public choices if one is seeking lasting happiness.
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I'm familiar with it, Claudia. There have been few threads that I have been involved in that didn't drift in this manner.
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I gotta admit, I love the thread drift. Though it means that I've probably missed some interesting conversations that started out as threads I checked and decided that I didn't care about enough to read again.
Besides, you can always steer the conversation back to the original topic if you want.
Whether or not Spears has post-partum mental health problems, it's always a good thing to raise awareness and to have compassion for those who do. Having depression or other similar illnesses can really make it hard to do even the most basic things--I can't imagine trying to take care of a baby while depressed.
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Okay, then, Reshpeckobiggle. I was struggling with the HR search engine -- never a pretty thing. *grin
Shigosei, I agree. And sometimes depression is agitated (not the more typically thought-of scenario of slowing down and freezing up). Additionally, it looks like post-partum psychosis is associated with bipolar disorder, in which the mania would definitely not look like depression and might lead someone to assume it could not be related to postpartum issues.
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Well, ClaudiaTherese, at least the thread drifted in the right direction. People here are talking seriously about Post-Partum Depression now. It could have been another mindless celebrity-based thread.
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Clue is one of those films that movie reviewers disdained heavily. DVDs of it can be bought dirt cheap. And yet...everyone I know personally who's seen it loves it.
quote:Originally posted by Puffy Treat: Clue is one of those films that movie reviewers disdained heavily. DVDs of it can be bought dirt cheap. And yet...everyone I know personally who's seen it loves it.
I definitely don't know either. I searched recent posts for the word "clue" to see if he was responding to a post in a different thread by accident, but no such luck. I am currently attributing it to the recent adoption of crack-smoking as a sacrament in Puffy's ward. Posts: 3354 | Registered: May 2005
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The European Court of Human Rights has agreed to hear whether chimpanzees are legally persons. Interestingly, this might well be just the right level of hard case for the EU Court to win respect for its own (future) assertions of preeminence. ie A ruling in favor of the chimp would not be explosive enough for the politicians to dismiss the Court out of hand (except for campaign posturing), yet would torque off LARGE numbers of the people those politicians must cater to.
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Note that Santino not only collects rocks for his weapons cache but also breaks&shapes concrete to make his own missiles.
"[Forward planning] implies that [chimpanzees] have a highly developed consciousness, including life-like mental simulations of potential events," Dr Osvath said. "They most probably have an 'inner world' like we have when reviewing past episodes of our lives or thinking of days to come..."
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quote:Originally posted by aspectre: The European Court of Human Rights has agreed to hear whether chimpanzees are legally persons. Interestingly, this might well be just the right level of hard case for the EU Court to win respect for its own (future) assertions of preeminence. ie A ruling in favor of the chimp would not be explosive enough for the politicians to dismiss the Court out of hand (except for campaign posturing), yet would torque off LARGE numbers of the people those politicians must cater to.
I have a friend who likes to say that he is fully behind giving Chimps "human" status the moment they can present their own arguments.
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quote:Originally posted by aspectre: The European Court of Human Rights has agreed to hear whether chimpanzees are legally persons. Interestingly, this might well be just the right level of hard case for the EU Court to win respect for its own (future) assertions of preeminence. ie A ruling in favor of the chimp would not be explosive enough for the politicians to dismiss the Court out of hand (except for campaign posturing), yet would torque off LARGE numbers of the people those politicians must cater to.
I have a friend who likes to say that he is fully behind giving Chimps "human" status the moment they can present their own arguments.
Considering that chimps have successfully been taught ASL with some degree of fluency, it may not be too far off...
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Do you have a link for that, kq? I've heard of gorillas and bonobos learning a few hundred signs, but that's not the same thing as learning sign language.
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It's been nearly a year since the European Court of Human Rights had agreed to review the Austrian Supreme Court's decision that chimps are only property, yet still no news generated since then concerning the progress of the case.
Karta uses a stick to twist wires together to short-circuit an electric fence designed to prevent escape from her enclosure. More tellingly, she seems to recognize the purpose of guards armed with (tranquilizer) guns.
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Noticed possibly deliberate editorializing in the reportage: The Mirror and SkyNews used stones and pounds to report Karta's weight, though the other UK news reports (that I've seen) used kilograms. In the UK*nowadays, stones and pounds are most commonly used to describe weight of humans, and kilograms are commonly used to describe weights of other things. May not have been deliberate: coulda been a subconcious grouping of orangutans in with humans, which'd be revealing in itself. * Or could be I've misunderstood what I've been told about common useage.
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