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Dagonee
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Pledge:
I hereby agree not to delete threads on Hatrack River to which others have responded, unless the opening post clearly indicates that I am reserving the right to delete the thread or I have included the word "Mayfly" at the end of a thread title.

I am aware that deleting the opening post of a thread deletes the entire thread; if I wish to remove the contents of an opening post, I will delete the text in the edit box rather than delete the post.

I acknowledge that other posters may rely on my having taken this pledge in deciding whether to post in a given thread, and that a list of people who have taken the pledge and subsequently deleted a thread will be maintained on this thread.

Nothing in this pledge shall restrict my right to edit posts I have made.

I may revoke this pledge at any time by posting a revocation in this thread. I will not delete threads posted prior to my posting a revocation in this thread.

Posters who have taken the pledge (including whether revoked, times ET):
Dagonee, August 09, 2007 12:53 PM
Strider, August 09, 2007 01:09 PM
MightyCow, August 09, 2007 01:12 PM
kmbboots, August 09, 2007 01:15 PM
aiua, August 09, 2007 01:21 PM
Seatarsprayan, August 09, 2007 01:26 PM
pooka, August 09, 2007 03:03 PM
Bokonon, August 09, 2007 03:43 PM
MrSquicky, August 09, 2007 01:18 PM
Flaming Toad on a Stick, August 09, 2007 06:28 PM
The Flying Dracula Hair, August 09, 2007 06:52 PM
Lupus, August 09, 2007 09:59 PM

Posters who have violated the pledge:

[ August 09, 2007, 10:03 PM: Message edited by: Dagonee ]

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Better put in a clause saying revocation cannot be retroactive, or anyone wanting to delete a thread will just go here first and revoke.
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Done.
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I refuse to join in. I think deleting can be (is not always, but can be) just fine, and as the mods have seen fit to allow the ability, I think they agree.

I do pledge to use, to the best of my ability, wisdom, judgement and discretion in my thread-deleting choices. As an adult, I trust myself to do so.

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sign me up
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Dagonee
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Kat, I'm hoping to use this thread simply as a reference, so that people who care about this can make posting decisions accordingly.
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I deleted a thread once.

Man, remember when the hug thread got deleted? That was crazy.

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I so pledge.


I also pledge to get some lunch before 3pm, but that's just to remind myself not to get too busy today.

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I don't think I've ever deleted a non-mayfly thread.

I hope I've earned the trust of the community to not capriciously delete their posts, even if I don't take a pledge.

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Not sure if I've ever started a thread, but sure. Sign me up.
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I probably deleted more than one thread, I'm just thinking of the time that was most significant to me. I don't think anyone except Papa Moose really noticed.

The thing is, I'm mortal and I make mistakes. I can see where deleting a thread doesn't generally undo those mistakes in a meaningful way. In fact, it seems like it would cause more harm in most cases, but you never know.

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Sure, but I really don't see the point.

It'd be better to have a listing of people who delete threads, but that's not really workable.

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Why not?
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quote:
The thing is, I'm mortal and I make mistakes.
To me, the correct thing to do in this case is to own up to your mistakes, not to try to remove all evidence of them occuring.
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I doubt there will ever be a need for it for myself, but I'll play along. It can't hurt.
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Why is there no point to this or why a thread-deleter registry isn't really workable?
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I'll take the pledge. I hate thread-deletion.
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Can we mark thread deleters with a red D next to their name? Shun the sinners, I say [Wink]
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I should have put an "on purpose" caveat in my pledge. I don't think an accidental delete is likely, but I shouldn't underestimate my ability to push wrong buttons.
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I don't see why not put up a list of suspected thread deleters.

As I said, deleting a thread is not usually going to be the best way to undo damage that posting a given thread has done. Though I can say from personal experience that any apologies one gives are likely to be covered over in a tidal wave of posts attacking one's sincerity.

Which I probably warranted at the time.

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I pledge to delete things whenever it'd be funniest.
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I think we all go through phases. I remember thinking dobies were the epitome of funny a few years ago and that people who complained about them were curmudgeonly.

I also used to like puns but everyone around here is so much better than me at it.

I guess tying this back to the subject at hand, there was a time I would have passionately supported this pledge, but not so much at the moment.

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quote:
Originally posted by pooka:
I also used to like puns but everyone around here is so much better than me at it.

That's like being better than someone else at kicking puppies.
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I think the mere idea of castigating thread deleters is laughably anti-funny. It reminds me of the Gray People from the old Changeling games: people who take everything so seriously, including their own words, that they turn the world into a museum of ego.
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quote:
Originally posted by aiua:
I doubt there will ever be a need for it for myself, but I'll play along. It can't hurt.

I can think of ways that it could hurt.
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As far as I can remember, I have never deleted a thread, nor do I currently intend to. However, there may very well be circumstances where I feel that a delete is the best option available. Because of this, I don't believe that I can pledge not to delete threads at this time.
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quote:
I think the mere idea of castigating thread deleters is laughably anti-funny.
Which is why I decided to go in the opposite direction.

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It reminds me of the Gray People from the old Changeling games: people who take everything so seriously, including their own words, that they turn the world into a museum of ego.
You're free to assign whatever mistaken motives you wish to those not liking thread deletion.
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I'm just curious to know what started this, or it's been something you've been mulling over for some time now and decided the climate was ripe.
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I'm glad I hit refresh before posting, because ricree just basically said what I wrote. I don't think I'll ever delete a thread, but I really can't make myself care that much if someone else does.

Although, if someone had deleted the really looooonnnggg Lost discussion w/ spoilers from Seasons 1 & 2 this year, I would have felt a tad bereft. I was catching up with the dvds and that thread was my vicarious conversation, since I couldn't participate in the Season 3 discussion.

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I think this is a great idea. Those who don't see the value in the pledge are free not to participate. Those who do can decide how much effort they're willing to put in to a discussion when it might be gone 10 minutes later.
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I would rather not give up my right to delete a thread. I've never done it before and have no plan to do so...which I wanted to say...but I won't be pledging.

Cheers, though. [Smile]

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Leave it to the lawyer to come up with something like this. [Big Grin]
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Oh, is it about this?
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I know some people have a casual attitude about derailing threads. If someone does so twice, in a manner that makes it clear they have no interest in the actual topic I posted on or in returning the thread to its true purpose...then I am very likely to delete it.
-Puffy Treat Thread deletion and the ethics of aspiration

I'd say Puffy was completely justified in deleting in that circumstance. He felt he was being mocked and belittled, and this thread isn't doing anything to help. He's already depressed and jobless.

I was actually tempted to delete a thread the other day because no one had replied to it, and if you haven't tried it, you should make a thread about something that is uniquely interesting to you and watch it slide down the front page into oblivion.

I don't see deletion as a greater evil than deliberate derailment. If you have a problem with Puffy, you should address him rather than create some ex post facto declaration that he is not a member of your definition of civil society.

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Isn't this an opportunity for people to turn over a new leaf? Tomorrow is yet unwritten, we can all pledge to stuff!
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quote:
Originally posted by MrSquicky:
Sure, but I really don't see the point.

Oh, look. Something Squick and I agree on!

This thread makes me feel like the HUAC is alive and well. [Razz]

I also agree with mph.

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Again, can we please discuss whether or not other people should delete threads somewhere else? MC summed up my intent perfectly:

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Those who don't see the value in the pledge are free not to participate. Those who do can decide how much effort they're willing to put in to a discussion when it might be gone 10 minutes later.

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I don't think this is so much about Puffy. Puffy, if you are reading this, don't feel bad.

I think that this is more a "safety clause" for people who "craft" posts - putting time and research into them - rather than just people who are having a casual conversation. Or for people who sometimes do that. It is helpful and, I think, an incentive for people to post thoughtful posts if they have some assurance that the posts won't wanish.

edit: or vanish for that matter.

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*puts rivka on the list*
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I didn't completely read this thread, so I'm not sure where others stand on the issue? But this is one of those times when the only reaction I can think of is:

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.

And of course it's not literally the dumbest thing I've ever heard of? That's just what you say when you think something is so ridiculous it would be a complete waste of your time to come up with an argument against it?

What I'm hoping is that people realize, over time, how silly the idea of this is (my opinion - sorry) and that eventually they have the good sense to delete this thread.

[Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Dagonee:
Again, can we please discuss whether or not other people should delete threads somewhere else?

This thread looks like a lost cause Dag. You should probably just delete it and start another one until people get it right.
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quote:
This thread makes me feel like the HUAC is alive and well.
Alright, the attacks are getting ridiculous.

Apparently, not only is it not OK to express annoyance/frustration/other negative emotions over thread deletion, it's now McCarthyism to simply provide a centralized means promise that one won't delete a thread.

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If you have a problem with Puffy, you should address him rather than create some ex post facto declaration that he is not a member of your definition of civil society.
This is specifically not about Puffy. And, despite your repeated attempts to make it so, it is not about you.
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I hate it when people delete threads. When I come to perceive someone as a person who deletes threads, I no longer make thoughtful replies to their threads. I have never deleted a thread myself (that was ot marked as a mayfly).

That said, I will not be pledging. People will have to trust me based on my past behavior rather than on my stated pledge.

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I think the HUAC comparison was over the top, but I do agree that this is a bad idea. It seems like a way to breed mistrust.
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The mistrust has already been bred, Jon Boy.
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quote:
Originally posted by Jon Boy:
*puts rivka on the list*

*shrug* I probably should have been there already. I am a known thread deleter. Why, I think I may have deleted an average of one per year I've been on Hatrack! The HORROR!

I don't happen to feel my analogy was over the top. This thread is designed to coerce people to comply with one side's view on a divisive issue. IMO, that is many orders of magnitude more divisive than the issue itself.

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I think this thread has the potential of turning into a really great fight! I'm in! Everyone not prepared to take the pledge are potential thread deleters and most likely bordering sociopaths and social misfits as well. Ban them all, I say!
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The whole point is to let people know which posters don't ahve enough respect for other people's contributions to keep from deleting them, so that they would know that they couldn't be sure that the things they were writing in those threads wouldn't be wiped out.

If we created a list of people, we'd need to put it in a thread. The only way to keep this thread available would be to either constantly bump it or have PJ make it stickied, neither of which is, to me, an acceptible solution.

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I don't happen to feel my analogy was over the top. This thread is designed to coerce people to comply with one side's view on a divisive issue.
No, it's not. It's specifically designed to create a VOLUNTARY compliance scheme.

If people truly don't care about thread deletion, then it will have no effect.

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IMO, that is many orders of magnitude more divisive than the issue itself.
Easy for someone to say who favors being able to delete threads.

Just because thread deletion is not divisive to you doesn't mean it's not divisive.

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What a great way to solve the problem, polarize the issue!

The pledge is garbage. A thread is not holy writ people. Your posts, no matter how researched, are not holy writ. It should be YOUR responsibility to safeguard your research, information, and effort put into your large posts. We are guests here. If you want you writings completely safeguarded, keep it on your own webspace or hard drive.

That being said, do I think deleting thread is bad form? Yes, absolutely, but it's not always bad form. It's sometimes necessary. Belle for sure has stated a good reason for deleting a thread, such as confidential information she didn't want shared.

Bottom line people, get a grip. [Roll Eyes]

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quote:
Easy for someone to say who favors being able to delete threads.
You have got to be kidding. This whole thread is a joke, isn't it? It's a parody of something else? Or a social experiment? I'm being 100% serious here. I've suddenly realized that this whole idea is so over the top it cannot possibly be real. Someone email me and clue me in, I beg of you. I won't interfere, I just want to know what's really happening.
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