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Blayne Bradley
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I have in the span of 4 hours drunk 1040ml of Rockstar energy drink consuming taurigne and gaurana extract with caffein.

And about to drink another 477ml.

How bad of an idea is this.

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There is such thing as a caffeine overdose.
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Morbo
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I don't know. Let me gulp down this witches brew of nootropics and I'll get back to you.
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I didn’t think that caffeine overdose affected the ability to spell elementary words properly… I stand corrected.
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Anyone else find something strange that the subject asked about RedBull and the post talked about rockstar?

Or are they made by the same people?

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I'm shocked you don't have a headache actually.
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Blayne Bradley
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that was last week i seem to have absorbed it.
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Well, I know someone that died from it, so I don't think it's a great idea...
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quote:
Originally posted by Elmer's Glue:
Well, I know someone that died from it, so I don't think it's a great idea...

Wow, I'm really sorry to hear that.
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My (I think) sophomore year of high school, our last soccer game was canceled because a bunch of girls on the other team had overdosed on No Doze and were in the hospital. I think you shouldn't mess around too much with caffeine.
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quote:
Originally posted by Elmer's Glue:
Well, I know someone that died from it, so I don't think it's a great idea...

Seriously? That's awful! What happened?
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Blayne, caffeine is a poison that also acts as a stimulant.
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quote:
I have in the span of 4 hours drunk 1040ml of Rockstar energy drink consuming taurigne and gaurana extract with caffein.

And about to drink another 477ml.

How bad of an idea is this.

1040ml? You mean, about two 16oz cans?

So you're saying you had just had a whopping two cans of a substance with caffeine content on par with a well-brewed cup of coffee. And OH NO you're going to drink a THIRD one. Wow, once you've done that, it'll be the equivalent of if I'd just had two lattes from Starbucks. Gee, must be dangerous! Somebody stop this kid he's out of control

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I thought Rockstar had more caffiene than a cup of coffee.
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well, if i had 3 cups of coffee in the span of 4 hours, my heart would go quite wild, possibly ending up in arythmia, but that's just me.

also, latte is quite weak, that's the whole point of it, so no, it's not equal to energy drinks.

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According to the can sitting right here in front of me, Rockstar has:

1000 mg Taurine
150 mg Ginkgo Biloba Leaf Extract
80 mg Caffeine
25 mg Guarana Seed Extract
25 mg Inositol
25 mg L-Carnitine
25 mg Panax Ginseng Extract
20 mg Milk Thistle Extract

per serving. Two servings per can.

160 mg of caffeine isn't really that much.

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Judging from the numbers on Wikipedia's article on caffeine, the 1.5 L of Rockstar Blayne has had would be roughly 500 mg of caffeine. That's enough to have some rather uncomfortable side effects, apparently, but nowhere near enough to kill (although if you have heart trouble or are using other stimulants, all bets are probably off).

Doing this sort of thing on a regular basis might not be the best idea. Why so many energy drinks?

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ketchupqueen
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quote:
160 mg of caffeine isn't really that much.
No, but then you triple it... That's 480 mg. That's quite a bit.
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steven
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"Blayne, caffeine is a poison that also acts as a stimulant."

Sounds like a couple of my ex-girlfriends. Neither one was named caffeine, though.

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Kama
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also, do they include the guarana extract in the caffeine numbers?
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According to Wikipedia, the average "lethal dose" is around 50 to 100 cups of coffee. Needless to say, the definition of a "lethal dose" varies from person to person.

Also, there are several stages of symptoms between "asleep" and "dead."

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Speed
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In my medical opinion, it would give you wings.
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For me the equivelant of one cup of coffee would give me the symptomes of caffine poisoning with in an hour of consuming. No more caffine for me.
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Maybe I was fooled by the 'two servings' bit. Oh well, maybe he's up to 3-4 large lattes.

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also, latte is quite weak, that's the whole point of it, so no, it's not equal to energy drinks.
Weak? I dunno. A typical large latte has two shots of espresso and a shot made in a modern American coffee shop will average about 100mg caffeine (we're big into lungo), making those stronger than your average cup of coffee (100-140mg), way stronger than tea (75-85mg) and way way stronger than soda (40-50mg).

Still on the whole it's less concerning than the amount of sugar being guzzled in a sitting :/

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Then there's the guarana, doesn't that have a chemical similar to caffeine?
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I hope not. For a few weeks I've been knocking back Guaraná Antartica far too frequently. It's a vice, but one I can kick.

(And it's very, very good.)

And in response to the original question: you might feel pretty terrible after drinking silly energy drinks, but you're a far ways away from what's usually considered a lethal dose for a healthy adult. Are you a healthy adult?

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quote:
Originally posted by Samprimary:
A typical large latte has two shots of espresso and a shot made in a modern American coffee shop will average about 100mg caffeine (we're big into lungo), making those stronger than your average cup of coffee (100-140mg

100mg > 100 to 140mg?
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If one shot has 100mg, and a large latte has two shots, then a large latte has 200mg. 200mg > 100 to 140mg.
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Ah, I see; I was misreading.
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I had my first energy drink earlier this month.

My best friend's 21st birthday party was on the 10th, so I drove out the night before and spent the night on her couch, not realizing her room mate had a cat, which I am horribly allergic to (it's a pertinent detail to the story, trust me). So we partied the next night on her birthday, and came back to her place at around 2:30am, and I wasn't feeling tired, and I'd only had one drink, four hours earlier (I'm not big on drinking), so I thought I'd drive home and save myself the trouble of facing the cat again. Oh I forgot to mention she's in Grand Rapids and I live in Detroit, so, everyone pull out your right hand, palm up (mankind's portable map of Michigan), Grand Rapids is maybe halfway between your wrist and your knuckles on the left side of the state, and Detroit is at the base of the thumb.

So it's about a two hour drive, and I call my brother to tell him I'm driving back and if I'm not back by 4:30 to be worried cause I'm probably dead. He told me to get an energy drink and sip it. So I did. 20 minutes later I'm going like 85 mph down I-94, my window down (it was raining and probably 45F outside) and Maroon 5 blaring on my radio with me singing aloud at the top of my lungs. Seriously it was like being drunk but perfectly lucid.

Of course, 30 minutes after that I crashed hard and was even more tired than before the drink, so I had to get another one.

Next time I'll bite the bullet and buy some allergy medicine to deal with the cat. Those energy drinks were wicked (and not awesome).

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Those little 5-hour energy shots work wonders for me. They're quite possibly the nastiest things on the planet, but they work, and I don't crash five hours later. It just gradually wears off.
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A couple of point you might like to know.

1.) When I worked in a hospital, a injectable caffeine & Nicotine blend was more strictly controlled than some hard drugs. I took both a doctor and a nurse to administer this drug.

2.)Caffeine does not GIVE you energy, it stimulates you to burn the energy you already have at a faster rate. There is the old saying, the flame that burns twice as hot, burn half as long.

Too many people think of caffeine and other stimulants as 'free' energy, but you pay for it. Caffeine and other stimulants give you nothing and take at a immensely fast rate.

Most people have sufficient vitality and metabolism to overrider or offset the energy losses from caffeine, but prolonged use can produce an energy deficit.

An additional point, caffeine it addicting. It is very strongly habit forming. Once you start drinking it, because you are creating an energy deficit, your body craves more.

Finally, excess caffeine is not good for the heart. You can go into arrhythmia, or actually have heart failure from excess consumption. Also, it does not increase athletic performance. It causes tension in the muscles and it is likely to cause muscle tremors and craps.

Still, a little caffeine now and then probably doesn't hurt.

Steve/bluewizard

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quote:
An additional point, caffeine it addicting
Please, addictive. Grammatically it works to use addicting, but that isn't how you meant it.

[/mini pet peeve rant]

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From Wikipedia:
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Long-term overuse of caffeine can elicit a number of psychiatric disturbances. Two such disorders recognized by the American Psychiatric Association (APA) are caffeine-induced sleep disorder and caffeine-induced anxiety disorder.

In the case of caffeine-induced sleep disorder, an individual regularly ingests high doses of caffeine sufficient to induce a significant disturbance in his or her sleep, sufficiently severe to warrant clinical attention.[70]

In some individuals, the large amounts of caffeine can induce anxiety severe enough to necessitate clinical attention. This caffeine-induced anxiety disorder can take many forms, from generalized anxiety to panic attacks, obsessive-compulsive symptoms, or even phobic symptoms.[70] Because this condition can mimic organic mental disorders, such as panic disorder, generalized anxiety disorder, bipolar disorder, or even schizophrenia, a number of medical professionals believe caffeine-intoxicated people are routinely misdiagnosed and unnecessarily medicated when the treatment for caffeine-induced psychosis would simply be to withhold further caffeine.[71] A study in the British Journal of Addiction concluded that caffeinism, although infrequently diagnosed, may afflict as many as one person in ten of the population.

Oh my. I've been considering going to the doctor due to a recent increase in nearly all of these symptoms. I also consume at least one (usually two to four) caffeinated beverage on a daily basis.

Wow...I never realized such severe effects of caffeine were this well documented.

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quote:
Seriously? That's awful! What happened?
It was someone I went to junior high with. A bunch of people on the high school football team drank a bunch of energy drinks and then went to practice. I'm not sure on the specifics, but basically his heart couldn't take it.

I refuse to have energy drinks.(not because of the person who died, and not because I don't drink caffeine.) I never feel the need for an energy boost and it probably has negative affects on your body.

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quote:
Originally posted by BlueWizard:
a injectable caffeine & Nicotine blend

What's this used for?
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quote:
So it's about a two hour drive, and I call my brother to tell him I'm driving back and if I'm not back by 4:30 to be worried cause I'm probably dead. He told me to get an energy drink and sip it. So I did. 20 minutes later I'm going like 85 mph down I-94, my window down (it was raining and probably 45F outside) and Maroon 5 blaring on my radio with me singing aloud at the top of my lungs. Seriously it was like being drunk but perfectly lucid.
Man, you get that from caffeine?

Lucky. I'd have to take up speed to get that sort of effect

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quote:
Originally posted by HollowEarth:
quote:
Originally posted by BlueWizard:
a injectable caffeine & Nicotine blend

What's this used for?
I've never seen the mix used, nor have I seen nicotine used on its own (but my exposure has been mostly to kid stuff). Caffeine is given by IV or mouth to premature infants in order to decrease the number of episodes where they stop breathing. They periodically may stop breathing because of underdeveloped central nervous systems.

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Edited to add: Caffeine may help preemies' lungs themselves, as well as contolling the apnea. Cool. The things you learn here. [Smile]

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If you're curious...

http://www.energyfiend.com/death-by-caffeine/

Input your height, weight, and drink/caffeinated food of choice, and it'll tell you how much is lethal.

I stopped drinking energy drinks, but a friend of mine is addicted to those "Celsius" things that raise your core body temperature. Supposedly they burn more calories by doing that than they have in them to begin with, but you're not supposed to have more than one every four hours.

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I dunno, I think I would die well before I drank that many energy drinks, just from the sheer volume of stuff. I think my liver would shut down.
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I recently quit caffiene (for the most part) I'm down to decaff with the occasional (as in maybe 3 per week) soda.

My horrible migraines have lightened up a lot. They're not as painful, don't last as long, and don't happen as often.

Blayne, it's not a good habit to get into. If you're already addicted, you should probably ween yourself off of it. Your body can handle it while you're young but unfortunately you get old before you know it.

And energy drinks taste nasty anyway. bleah!

Pix

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Are you drinking plenty of water with them? Red Bull recommends drinking an equal volume of water with their drinks to achieve maximum effect.
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I found a somewhat central resource here. I wasn't able to find anything that showed a difference based on the color of the cow.
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That's funny, The Pixiest. I drink caffeine (Dr. Pepper preferably) or take it (through Excedrin) when I feel a potential migraine coming on. It seems to help.

I too though try to avoid caffeine as best I can.

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JoeH: Oh I drink caffiene when I feel one coming on. It helps when you have one. But it causes problems when you get addicted to it.
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quote:
It would take 415.43 cans of Coca-Cola Classic to put you down.
Boy, better get started then! Time to go get my third for the day!
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quote:
Originally posted by JoeH:
That's funny, The Pixiest. I drink caffeine (Dr. Pepper preferably) or take it (through Excedrin) when I feel a potential migraine coming on. It seems to help.

I too though try to avoid caffeine as best I can.

That's because caffeine affects the blood vessels in the head. Someone who is physically addicted will have headaches until they get their caffeine. They need it just to feel normal, forget energized. Kind of like me with the internet.
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quote:
Originally posted by HollowEarth:
quote:
Originally posted by BlueWizard:
a injectable caffeine & Nicotine blend

What's this used for?
Happiness.
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Caffeine is used in premature babies to help "remind the brain" to tell the lungs to breath.


We had a young lady, about 21 or so, who used "energy drinks" and diet pills excessivly for several years (3-5 years). She came to us in severe heart failure. We treated her for about a week before she died.

I know that normal consumption of energy drinks is probably all right for the majority of the population. And I admit that part of her condition was probably brought on by the diet pills (which were most likely ephedra based). Excessive consumption of anything, even if it's "natural" can kill you.

A very beutiful young lady died because of these products and it has left quite an impression with me.


Tull

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I would think most of her condition would have been created by the diet pills, but that's just because I don't know how caffeine can cause the heart to crap out, I only know why you wanna avoid it if your heart is already failing.
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