I was disgusted watching this. And quite angry at the thought of a young kid watching something like this and being absolutely terrified.
What an evil marketing tactic. Does this bother religious folk as much as me? Aren't there better ways of spreading the notion of sharing your faith with those around you?
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Wow... very deep. But so true. Makes me glad I'm not going to hell. I would be terrified if I thought I was. To answer your question, no it doesn't bother me because it is the truth. Hell is real.
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quote:Originally posted by dkw: You'd like to think it would be obvious, BB, but aparently not.
just wanted to say, I don't mean to imply that I think this is the norm. I know there are better ways and I'm sure many good people are engaging in those methods.
The line in the description about this "not being a scare tactic" got me. What exactly is it then?
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quote:Originally posted by Threads: It seemed a little contrived. I don't think most people would take that seriously.
Unfortunately it, and other videos like it, are generally aimed at children. Depending on their age, I think they would take it quite seriously.
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I actually wanted to laugh. Talk about over dramatic. What is more disturbing is less the presentation than the militant message. If you don't force your religion down people's throats then they are going to torment you. Better to torment them with your Christianity now then they torment you later.
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quote:Originally posted by Strider: The line in the description about this "not being a scare tactic" got me. What exactly is it then?
It's being put out there, I would wager, by the same kind of people who insist to me that the whole idea of 'Hell' is somehow not a threat.
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I think, if it's aimed at children, I would have more of a problem with the parents of that child then with the makers of this video.
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By that, I mean parents who would want their child to watch that video. Unless, they're like my parents, who would rate the video quite high and let me watch it if I needed a laugh.
But, parents who think it's an appropriate education tool for young christian children rank somewhat close to abusive parents. I can't see how this film would every be good for anything but a laugh.
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What’s the big deal? Christians believe in hell. They believe to avoid hell you have to believe in Jesus. That’s pretty universal in Christianity. Even the bible has a story about the rich man in hell being tortured and asking for a drop of water and then begging for Lazarus to be sent to his family to warn them. Pretty much the same sort of story. Just a bit of a modern twist and more detail. Are you saying they shouldn’t share what they believe to be true? And for the most part I think this message is meant for believers. Saying that if you don’t witness to your friends, this is what can happen to them. Maybe some of you need to think about that message.
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quote:Originally posted by Jay: Even the bible has a story about the rich man in hell being tortured and asking for a drop of water and then begging for Lazarus to be sent to his family to warn them.
And as I recall, Abraham tells him no because the prophets are supposed to be enough for them to believe. Which is pretty arrogant, coming from a man who is supposed to have spoken to god personally.
We're against it, Jay, because it's an shameless scare tactic. It's like holding a gun to someone's head and saying 'convert or die'. Some of us know that the gun isn't loaded. But the person who has it at their temple might not be aware of that.
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Apparently the parts of the Bible that say Works will not get you saved, but faith and belief will, are only true if by faith it means faith to convert others.
Apparently that sinners don't dwell on the sins that brought them to hell, but dwell on the fact that some Christian didn't offer them salvation in a timely fashion.
Apparently even though others brought up Christianity several times during just one day in the damned boys life, the fact that another Christian didn't join in on the conversation is enough to cause that sinner to go to hell. Its not the sinners fault, but the faithful.
And of course, you do realize that if that an identical video with an identical plea from Hell could be made from an Islamic point of view. Why didn't your martyr yourself so that I would become a Muslim and not have to be in Hell?
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Jay, honesty, not telling lies, is an important part of Christianity too. So when a Christian Web-site has a Scarey Video designed to Scare believers into trying harder to witness to their friends, coworkers, and even "unknown little girls playing in the street." then highlights the idea that this is NOT a scare tactic, honesty seems to be missing.
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So you want to point out where he says it’s not a scare tactic but ignore the part where he said it’s intended for believers? Ok, glad I know the rules now…… By the way, for believers it’s not a scare tactic, but something think about.
Javert, Abraham then goes on to say that they wouldn’t believe even if one rises from the dead. Hummm… sounds familiar.
Why think about the message? Well, if you’re a believer and not worried about your friends going to hell that’s probably not very nice.
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The idea that God would condemn people to eternal torment because of what some one else failed to do, belies the idea that God is either just or merciful.
If this is what as Jay says "all Christians believe", then I'm glad they don't consider me and mine "Christians".
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Now now, I specifically avoided the word “all”. I said “pretty universal”. I do know there are groups that have other believes, but are still Christian. And it was not because of what someone else failed to do, but because of what they failed to do. I really think you’re not getting the point of this being meant for believers to encourage them to witness. When you look at it that way it makes more sense.
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quote:I really think you’re not getting the point of this being meant for believers to encourage them to witness. When you look at it that way it makes more sense.
Maybe you're not getting that we -are- getting that.
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quote:I really think you’re not getting the point of this being meant for believers to encourage them to witness.
That was, after all, the approach Jesus used and encouraged. "Go forth and terrify your fellow man into renewed faith."
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quote:Originally posted by Dan_raven: Wow, a video Chick Tract.
That's exactly what it is. Gag me.
Though it does explain a lot about why some Christians (thankfully few) act as appallingly as they do.
It makes me understand atheists, I'll tell you that. Mark Twain's "malign thug" is a charitable description of a deity who would order permanent torture for someone who didn't agree to becoming a Christian. Very charitable.
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quote:And it was not because of what someone else failed to do, but because of what they failed to do.
That certainly wasn't the message in the video. The video quite explicitly said, "Your friend is in Hell because you didn't witness to him".
I'm with kmboots on this one, I find the whole idea that if you don't accept Jesus before you die you will suffer eternal torment to be highly offensive.
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quote:Yeah. It's a lie many fundamentalists say all the time. So of course it's familiar.
Is it necessary to become so antagonistic?
In response to antagonism, yes. That being said, all I did was say what I believe to be an honest assessment of Jay's claim.
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Come now Javert, you know just as well as I do that honesty and antagonism aren't mutually exclusive.
Nor must antagonism always be met with antagonism either. Or do you imagine anyone's mind will be changed, on this topic, by it? By being antagonistic you're just preaching to the choir, no pun intended.
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quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: Come now Javert, you know just as well as I do that honesty and antagonism aren't mutually exclusive.
Nor must antagonism always be met with antagonism either. Or do you imagine anyone's mind will be changed, on this topic, by it? By being antagonistic you're just preaching to the choir, no pun intended.
I have no desire to change anyone's mind, Rakeesh. I was responding to an arrogant comment. If I came off as antagonistic, it was because I was responding to someone being arrogant and intending to insult.
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I'm still trying to figure out how the kid wrote a letter on a piece of paper that wasn't consumed by the flames of eternal torment. Must have been refractory paper.
quote:It makes me understand atheists, I'll tell you that. Mark Twain's "malign thug" is a charitable description of a deity who would order permanent torture for someone who didn't agree to becoming a Christian. Very charitable.
Umm, atheists don't believe in a malign thug. We don't believe in any gods at all.
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I didn't say anything about converting, just about changing one's mind on a small subject. Two totally different things.
Yes, no one goes to hell for not being an atheist; some, according to some atheists, live stupid lives of pointless mysticism for not being atheists, though.
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quote:Originally posted by Rakeesh: Yes, no one goes to hell for not being an atheist; some, according to some atheists, live stupid lives of pointless mysticism for not being atheists, though.
The difference is that atheists don't believe that a being outside those people causes those lives to be that way, and then worship that being for doing so.
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quote:Originally posted by Javert: The difference is that atheists don't believe that a being outside those people causes those lives to be that way, and then worship that being for doing so.
quote:Originally posted by Javert: The difference is that atheists don't believe that a being outside those people causes those lives to be that way, and then worship that being for doing so.
Say What?
Rakeesh was trying to compare atheists who think that certain believers are wasting their lives with believers who believe that atheists and other non-believers are going to hell.
I was trying to express the difference between the two.
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quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold: I'm still trying to figure out how the kid wrote a letter on a piece of paper that wasn't consumed by the flames of eternal torment. Must have been refractory paper.
quote:It makes me understand atheists, I'll tell you that. Mark Twain's "malign thug" is a charitable description of a deity who would order permanent torture for someone who didn't agree to becoming a Christian. Very charitable.
Umm, atheists don't believe in a malign thug. We don't believe in any gods at all.
Glenn she was saying that if you see the Christian God as a malign thug (as Mark Twain did), you probably wouldn't worship him either and would be an atheist.
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quote:Originally posted by Javert: The difference is that atheists don't believe that a being outside those people causes those lives to be that way, and then worship that being for doing so.
Say What?
Rakeesh was trying to compare atheists who think that certain believers are wasting their lives with believers who believe that atheists and other non-believers are going to hell.
I was trying to express the difference between the two.
That much I understood the first time around, it was your very awkward wording of "a being outside those people" that had me perplexed.
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quote:Originally posted by Glenn Arnold: I'm still trying to figure out how the kid wrote a letter on a piece of paper that wasn't consumed by the flames of eternal torment. Must have been refractory paper.
quote:It makes me understand atheists, I'll tell you that. Mark Twain's "malign thug" is a charitable description of a deity who would order permanent torture for someone who didn't agree to becoming a Christian. Very charitable.
Umm, atheists don't believe in a malign thug. We don't believe in any gods at all.
quote:Glenn she was saying that if you see the Christian God as a malign thug (as Mark Twain did), you probably wouldn't worship him either and would be an atheist.
I understand that. But being an atheist doesn't mean that you believe in a god and fail to worship him, it means that you don't believe in the god in the first place.
It's a common fallacy, and notably attributed to C.S. Lewis, who claimed that he was an atheist, but his descriptions of atheism are all based on being angry at god.
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Do Christians really believe the part that when you die that you will wait on line to give your name and then an angel will take you to hell if you didn't believe in Jesus?
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quote:The difference is that atheists don't believe that a being outside those people causes those lives to be that way, and then worship that being for doing so.
Ha! What a delightfully deliberate misinterpretation of what theists believe, Javert. Nicely done!
Or do you actually believe that theists think God makes their lives stupidly mystical and worships Him for it?
Maybe we should get back to talking about how rotten fundies are, though.
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