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Both of them are capable of resurrecting from death, so just how are we measuring victory here? And against that sword of Gandalf's, let me point out that Jesus casts a mean curse, at least if the target is a fig tree. You never know, it might work on humans too.
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Same way you deal with respawning players in Doom I'd guess. First deity (Gandalf isn't quite human) that hits a certain frag count wins.
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The Doctor flies in, sticks his head out of the TARDIS, laughs, and goes off to have some fun in Barcelona. (The planet.)
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Well, seeing as how Tolkien was Catholic and in many ways intended LotR to be a Catholic story, Jesus being much higher on the religious food chain than Gandalf (Grey or White) would win easily.
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On the other hand, the New Testament is also a Catholic story yet Jesus is killed by a few puny humans *shrug*
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To quote a different franchise from the Testaments, "it's not who you are underneath, it's what you do that defines you"
It doesn't matter that Jesus "could" call down fire and brimstone if he in fact doesn't and prefers to preach about love.
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A comment on the accuracy of: "Well, seeing as how Tolkien was Catholic and in many ways intended LotR to be a Catholic story" from Rakeesh.
The edition of the LOTR that I read had a preface by tolkien in which he said blatantly that he intended no symbolism nor allusion in his story, but that people were free to read whatever they wanted into it as long as they realized he didn't intend any.
I say Gandalf also.
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The problem with Gandalf is that if he dies then he is done. Jesus seems to be able to circumvent that problem Posts: 1327 | Registered: Aug 2007
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Gandalf is also a god. A polytheistic minor one, but a god none-the-less. And he doesn't die or get resurrected, his human avatar does. He just goes back to Valinor and then returns to Middle Earth. I say Gandalf wins.
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quote:Originally posted by Scott R: Why would the Doctor fight Jesus? Or Gandalf?
Well, if we go with the premise that Jesus and Gandalf are fighting, that's a gargantuan battle that has the potential of ripping apart the seams of reality.
Someone has to fix that stuff.
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quote:Gandalf is also a god. A polytheistic minor one, but a god none-the-less.
I believe God (big G) trumps god (little g).
Jesus is omnipotent. Gandalf is not. Gandalf could only win if Jesus allowed him too. If it was Jesus' will that Gandalf win, can it really be claimed that Jesus "lost"?
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quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: I believe God (big G) trumps god (little g).
How Judeo-Christian-centric of you. I prefer to think that in this age of equality one would not practise discrimination against the gods on the basis of a big 'G' or a little 'g'. Wouldn't want to get sued by the god Zeus
quote: If it was Jesus' will that Gandalf win, can it really be claimed that Jesus "lost"?
If someone loses intentionally to you while playing chess, it still counts as a loss for them on the board, even if it is Kasparov that is intentionally losing.
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Back on the Jesus vs Gandalf fight, you know what I think would actually happen? I think Gandalf would go all "You shall not pass." on Jesus, and Jesus would be all "Love your neighbor." and would just sit down on the bridge and light up a pipe, and then Gandalf would see that and ask for a pull off of it, and then they'd just end up in the most awesome and colossal smoke ring/ship/object blowing contest of all time.
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Are we talking pre-resurrection or post-resurrection Jesus?
Once Jesus ascended to heaven didn't his body become immortal. It's not like he can die again. All Jesus would have to do in order to win is judge Gandalf and cast him to Hell, outer darkness, purgatory, whatever.
Gandalf would have nothing on a resurrected Jesus. If it was a fight between the mortal pre-resurrected Jesus and Gandalf the Grey, I would have to agree with Alcon on the colossal smoke ring/ship/object contest.
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Even pre-resurrection Jesus was capable of awesome parlor tricks. See turning water into wine, (ultimate kegger trick), walking on water, (ultimate surfer trick), turning rocks into bread,(ultimate culinary trick). He escaped murderous crowds on multiple occasions and no explanation was given as to how. Also cursing the fig tree was pretty intense. TBH barring God willing that Gandalf defeat Jesus it simply would not happen.
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Jesus: You can't win, Gandalf. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.
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