quote:Originally posted by 0Megabyte: I bet I know why Kvothe is powerless. His name must have been changed.
I really like this. It's got a lot of different possibilities -- Kvothe changed it by mistake... Kvothe changed it to work some powerful magic... Kvothe changed it to help hide himself...
I like the latter. How about if Kvothe gave Denna his name, with the idea that she'd return it later when he was safe, only she didn't? Then he's all melancholy and feeling lost and betrayed, but then after he's finished telling his tale to Chronicler, Denna can suddenly show up at the Inn and give him back his name, and then Kvothe can set off to make things right again.
Y'know, the Adem did give him a name. Or atleast she told him his name that he didnt know, that name may hold power over him and one way or another he does not have Caesura anymore. When the Adem have your name and you break a two thousand year old sword, something bad will happen to you.
I half expect Kvothe to return to Felurian in the end, as Rothfuss is so fond of musing "if this were a story" he would return to his beuatiful piksie and she would grant him his freedom for spreading her song and growing her ego. But its not that kind of story, is it?
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I'm glad I found this post! The thing about Lackless has been bothering me since the 1st book!
Here's some speculation about future plot (pure imagination)
Kvothe found out the secret of the archieve door, which is related to the Amyr. Denna got tangled up with her patron, who is Cinder. Driven by loss, Kvothe leaves for the Maer's court for access to his/ the Lockless's libary, which contains the rest of the secret. Though deemed less than human, the Maer's wife recognize him because: 1. someone insulted his mother and he mentioned her noble blood; 2. he played a song by his mother from her childhood, which his aunt overhears; 3. the box is part of the amyr puzzle, and only a heir to the "power" have the right to open it, and Kvothe did.
After that, Kvothe is formally granted a title with his heritage proven. He looks like a noble and pulled the trick off in NOTW cause he's a noble. Dear god, i'd give anything to know the scene between Meluan and Kvothe. I really liked her, despite her hatred for the Ruh.
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Wow... if you feel like vicarious embarrassment watch this nsfw video of Patrick Rothfuss and Amber Benson at romance convention.
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stars, welcome to Hatrack! You are most welcome because you have exquisite taste in literature.
You have some interesting ideas and like you I can't wait to see what really happens.
The door HAS to be related to the Amyr. And I agree, the mysterious patron - everything points to Cinder.
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Thanks, Belle. There's one thing i'm really curious about. Does Kote process Kvothe's abilities? I mean, the failed attempt to set the man on fire and the soldiers thing suggests he doesn't, but in the name of the wind he killed 5 spider fae and even Bast was impressed. And there was the part where he got mad when the chronicler mentioned Denna and a bottle exploded.
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Yeah, I wondered about that too. He did manage to kill the spiders and the bottle did explode. So something is going on and it's not simply explained.
We know he had trouble doing sympathy - but that does not mean he no longer has access to the names he has learned.
I'm not sure. We will find out - and I am anxiously awaiting that!
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About Cinder being the patron, Kvothe's parents were killed by Cinder for doing exactly what Denna is doing. So if the prerogative of the chandrain is stay hidden why would they have a human kicking up old information so soon after two instances where they risked being overt to remove the danger or being learned of? The Maer has a connection to the chandrian as well as Lady Lackless and the patron but the Maer doesnt travel so he cant be the patron, but what about Kvothe's friend? the one who practices paganistic things, surely his sole role in the book cant be to play a board game with a lonely teenager. Hes rich, travels and has unusual tendencies in his personal life, perhaps he knows about the Maer's fascination with the Amyr and only introduced himself expecting to meet someone whose purpose was related to the Maer's mutual interest. Sure he is written as a nice guy, but Elodin was really cool until he told a boy to jump off a roof.
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Denna's version of Lanre is a considerably more favorable interpretation. Perhaps Arliden's version of Lanre was not to Lord Haliax's liking?
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I'd guess that (because words and names have power) that the Chandrian are working at re-establishing their power by eliminating their bad PR and, now, financing good PR...
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The chandrian are quietly feared but no one looks for thier weaknesses or hunts them, and so long as those with the ability to find out (the university, nobles with personal library's) consider them to be silly stories then they are safe. What can a pot or a song do to hurt them? for some reason they fear these things, remember that Haliax mentioned singers in the same sentence as the Amyr so they truely do fear it.
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... I always thought Rothfuss used the Gaiman approach to "names have power" in which opinion wouldnt really do anything. Liking the chandrian doesnt make them stronger, but knowing thier names and the signs of thier presence can hurt them.
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The thing that bothers me most about this series is not knowing how many books there will be. There are rumours that the trilogy will tell Kvothes story up to the Inn and a second trilogy will follow Kvothe in the present day.
These rumours seem to stem from VERY unreliabe sources quoting Rothfuss at signings and a review on Amazon quoting a publishing source, but with no evidence.
I wouldn't take any notice of these rumours except from The Wise Man's Fear we know that the Chandrian are still alive in the present because Kvothe is reluctant to name them out loud.
There seems to be too much of the story left leading to the Inn as it is without the Chandrian showing up at the Waystone to finish the story.
But how can the series close without Kvothe taking revenge on the Chandrian? Fair enough if Kvothe just kills Cinder, but I don't know if that would be enough closure for the end of the series?
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Rothfuss was very clear at the recent signing I was at (the launch signing for WMF) that there will be three and only three books (in the series; he didn't say anything about the world).
I wouldn't worry about closure.
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Oh, I think he can finish it in one book. Things will just really start taking off at the beginning of book three. We covered a LOT of ground in book two. We have a lot of background information now that I believe will start paying off with three.
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At the Dayton signing last month, he was asked whether he would be wrapping up the framing story in the third book (the person asking the question was skeptical that it could be done). His answer was something to the effect of "that's an interesting, perceptive question".
At some point in Book 3, probably with plenty of pages left, Kote is going to have to finish his story and take care of things in the present.
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I think it'll be an Angel-type ending -- Kvothe recovers his powers, says something about how now he knows what to do, and then he and Bast go off to face almost-certain-death, and telling Chronicler to write up a suitable ending for him.
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I have a few questions on some things I may have passed up during my read. Hopefully you can help me out.
Why was Caudicus trying to kill the Maer? Did it fully explain or did we all assume it was becaus he was trying to usurp the king?
Did Devi give back Kvothes blood? I dont recall her doing so. I thought thats why she was so reluctant to take her 9 Talents. She thought he was dead right? Why would you keep his blood if he was dead. As I read on I found out it was because she wanted him to stay in her debt. So what happened to his blood? Did I miss something?
As for Kvothe losing his powers and his skill to fight, I just find that hard to believe. I also find it hard to believe that he doesnt know what Bast is up too. Kvothe knew that Bast wasnt reading that book he made him read and in the Name of the Wind he knew Bast was eavesdropping at the beginning of the story. Also the exploding bottle trick when chronicler mentioned Dennas name. My guess is that he just doesnt want to be the Hero anymore...he feels too responsible for the war and for the people who have paid with their lives.
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No clue as to why Caudicus was poisoning the Maer, because if he wanted to kill him he would have. He was afforded every luxury possible and whatever made him do it must have been very powerful.
There was an overt referance the first time Kvothe paid his debt, and with how agreeable they were the second time there is no reason to believe that she would keep it.
Its not as if we understand the relationship between Kvothe and Bast, Bast listens to Kvothe like a student to a teacher but he is fae and Kvothe was very, very particular about how differant they were from humans. And Bast has also refered to Kvothe as "his" and considering how he treats Chronicler in private, he probably does not fear Kvothe in any literal sense.
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I have just made it through both books and have a few questions if any of you could shed some light on the topics for me...
Why the dramatic loss of power for Kvothe? He trained with the best fighters in the world, called lightning down and could call the wind, yet now he is thumped by everyone that walks into his bar?
Where is Caesura? It is not the one above the bar, right? It didn't match the description.
Many thanks!
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I was re-reading Name of the Wind today when I noticed something. Likely you all have as well, but I thought I'd share anyway.
When Kvothe is talking to Master Kilvin after the bone-tar fire in the fishery, Kilvin quotes a saying in (I think) Siaru: "Chan Vaen edan Kote." He translates it as "expect disaster every seven years."
Kvothe's innkeeper name is Kote. It seems likely to me that he's named himself "Disaster", or perhaps, "Expect Disaster". Nothing earth-shattering there, of course, but something I thought was neat.
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I know, but I offered no explanation. I dont belive that Niel Gaiman and Patrick Rothfuss riding on a carousel that no one ever gets to ride needs exposition.
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Every time I read something he's written (that's not fiction), Rothfuss just comes accross so classy.
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Like the blog where he talks about wanting to sniff Alyson Hannigan's hair, and then imagines being punched in the face by Alexis Denisof for being "the guy that wrote about wanting to sniff his wifes hair."
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I don't understand why the "ly" adverb-making morpheme is added. I have always heard "uncouth" as an adjective form, and in the sentence you have it feels like you are using it as an adjective to describe Rothfuss, but that sentence could take an adverb as well if you were describing an action so I am not sure.
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That last sentence is making me laugh, if only for the context in which the mistake was made. You really have been studying too much.
I dont exactly know why uncouthly is more prominent than simpyly uncouth, but I believe that in referance to Rothfuss' blog and my pull from it that I was indeed describing an action.
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