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Dobbie
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Also, "double check" should be hyphenated, i.e. "double-check".

I'm not sure I'm using "i.e." correctly, but if anyone corrects me they'll just prove that they're a pedant.

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"A sentence should not end in a preposition."

Complete bollocks.... up with which me must not put!

But seriously, that "rule" is about as solid as the one that says you can't start a sentence with a conjunction. See my previous sentence. The "rule" was just made up by grammar teachers who had no clue how to actually teach style, and instead taught generations of impressionable students that following rules would somehow magically make them better writers. And what do we have to show for it? Generations of awful writers who think "sentence fragment" is a bad word.

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I am not missing the point of the exercise- you are missing the point of criticism. What I said was true, and it was valid whether you had written your "essay" in 5 minutes, or 5 months. I sense still that you have completely misunderstood what "do not assume facts not in evidence" even means- it has nothing to do with you actually taking the time to site specific facts for every point you make. Quite the opposite. But no matter. IF you had taken 5 months to write it, you wouldn't have any excuses, and you would hate that, because excuses are *so* much easier than accepting any form of criticism.

Project your anger onto me if you want. It's easier to make me the villain of the piece. But I'm a lot better at this than you are, and were I you, I hope I would take the opportunity to learn something from everybody here who can say the same.

1. I have not misunderstood facts without evidence, you are blindly assuming my assumptions lack evidence because your gut feeling about them differs from my argument.

You only once tried to point out what which one of my arguments lacks evidence, but you misinterpreted my argument and it has plenty of evidence.

All you did was blindly parrot that phrase and do not actually explain or provide insight as to what apparantly lacks evidence because well, you'ld be proven wrong.

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While US power is sufficient to hand any one or few potential hotspots or crisis'es it can no longer afford to handle all said hotspots simultaneously.

This you specifically quoted and threw the mantra at it, this I should point out is paraphrased nearly word for word from Paul Kennedy. Then comes the slippery slope regarding evidence, evidence can either mean source, or presenting some sort of related information to substantiate it which I did.

2. The point of the exercise is to write something in under 3 hours, that's it, there's no need for further refinement or present a finished work. I have no desire to actually ever hand what this above could ever transform into in to anything unless I ever got that same or related question during my next semesters courses.

Because when you hand in an exam that's it and the maybe 15 minutes you've budgeted to yourself to make it more presentable.

Exceptions not withstanding you don't a chance to rewrite it, they won't ask you change anything they mark it, provide feedback and that's it, its the finished product. You keep in mind the feedback until next time.

Thus what I write in 3 hours is the finished-un-finished product, it may be considerably flawed compared to something you're given 3 weeks to write before handing in but that's all thats expected.

Essentially "Did you understand the course material?" From which the point of the exam is to elaborately answer that question.

I pointed out some very important things to note:

1) I am not currently taking the class.

2) It is a question I just randomly read and decided to spend some free time writing something and see what I could do in 3 hours without the things that would go into proper research.

As such these are extremely important distinctions that you're ignoring because they mean several things.

1. That because I am not in said class, I am not aware of what precise material or how in what way they would expect me to answer it, an actual course would result in something natural more focused as I would know what was discussed and what was studied and as such would know what to write about on indepth.

2. Knowing ahead of time the date and exam question would naturally lend itself to considerable time for study and review, and thus more aware of the topic at hand.

3. This isn't a serious research paper but a pseudo exam that I wrote on a whim.

These are extremely important distinctions to keep in mind as obviously I would be trying significantly harder and putting considerably more effort into it in that context.

In contrast to this which was more random and whimsical.


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because excuses are *so* much easier than accepting any form of criticism.

Not if the criticism is something I would naturally go "Yeah, yeah I know."

Thus far I've actually accepted criticism in this thread, almost entirely from Lyrhawn.

1. I was a little one sided or lacked information on some countries, I pointed out the reasons for why: Being a paper I wrote on a whim I was going about it instead of "planned" it was "organically" so my thoughts of how to write it changed as I wrote on.

2. Grammar, spelling, punctuation are all par for the course; usually this has greater leeway with a hand written exam but presuming I had time to practice and allegedly the question ahead of time in which to write a practice paper this sort of thing would improve on its own or improve after getting feedback from my brother.

"Yeah I know" category.

3. "I wonder if you answered the questions as completely as you could have though."

Another criticism I nodded and agreed with, but again I am at least correct to point out that the technicality of being inside an actual classroom enviroment, time to prepare would result in these things being improved.

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What about Containment? What about the struggle for control of Africa? You might not have had a great deal of time to go into those things, but I think the question asked for a bit more complexity than simply naming and describing the most powerful nations of the world at any given time, I think you needed to do a better job of defining the relationships between these countries.

Responses like this is more of what I'm looking for as my intention was to use the essay as a launching pad for a broader discussion on the issues raised but I got distracted. Basically they're conclusions I disagree with both on a personal note based on which political theory I transcribe to (neorealism) and also point out that some courses would specify during the timeframe that you have to adopt a political paradigm and write your responses in that matter and justified from that paradigm.

The question above didn't specify it, but I assumed it from experience from my courses last year.


Obviously adding the caveat that hindsight is 20/20 the mistakes I made obviously seem like the ones that would improve in a proper enviroment, but you never know and this at least would be valuable in case it didn't otherwise.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
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Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
Or how about you actually read the context of what I wrote.

"I rarely have time to proof read" as in When writing the god damn exam in the time provided.

You need to budget your time better. Three hours is plenty of time to answer those questions and still have a little time left over to go back through and fix grammar, use, and sentence stuff.
Agreed. I proctor exams on a regular basis (did so just Sunday, in fact). Students regularly get two hours to write TWO essays, and the ones who care about their grade go back and edit. Some re-write entirely in a new blue book, although I personally find that a tad excessive.
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quote:
Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
The point of the exercise is to write something in under 3 hours, that's it, there's no need for further refinement or present a finished work.

Why?

That's a fairly useless exercise.

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"1. I have not misunderstood facts without evidence, you are blindly assuming my assumptions lack evidence because your gut feeling about them differs from my argument."

Okay. Right here. You do not understand what I am saying. I am saying that the set of "facts" you are working from are not solid enough. You can't even get the phrasing right. This is not, not, not what I am talking about. Just isn't. Read it again. Ask somebody else to explain it to you. I cannot talk to you if you are not able to follow the basic line of reasoning here.


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"While US power is sufficient to hand any one or few potential hotspots or crisis'es it can no longer afford to handle all said hotspots simultaneously."

This you specifically quoted and threw the mantra at it, this I should point out is paraphrased nearly word for word from Paul Kennedy. Then comes the slippery slope regarding evidence, evidence can either mean source, or presenting some sort of related information to substantiate it which I did.

This claim assumes that the US ever could handle all hotspots simultaneously. That is a fact not in evidence. Because you have paraphrased it from Kennedy's work, you have very, very likely misconstrued the sense of his point in your rendering here. I can think of several ways that you may have done this. I know you think this is perfectly clear and reasonable, but such a claim is *not* reasonable- not without sufficient explanation. And if you can't explain it quite succinctly, then you shouldn't be saying it here. His conclusion *does not* serve as factual evidence. It is not helpful for you to state it in this way. I am not telling you to source it. I am telling you that it is out of place and overly broad for a short essay. It is, at very best, clumsily presented to appear as a factual statement, when it is not. When he wrote it, I am quite sure he did not present it in this way. Presentation matters- it gives a very clear sense of what is being suggested, and what is being stated.
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Do you ever bet on the outcomes of those tests?
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quote:
Originally posted by rivka:
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Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
The point of the exercise is to write something in under 3 hours, that's it, there's no need for further refinement or present a finished work.

Why?

That's a fairly useless exercise.

Because once you hand in an exam that's it, if you get it back they don't expect you to rewrite it. (at least in my university courses thus far. My friend in a data methods class has something where you hand something in, get feedback and have to hand it in for much larger mark later but that's the first time I've heard of it).

It's not useless once you define that talking about this stuff is the kind of stuff that's my hobby and thus fun. It was meant to be a enjoyable activity I did on a whim simply because the guy just happened to post in our game thread saying he'ld be absent to write that exam!

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"1. I have not misunderstood facts without evidence, you are blindly assuming my assumptions lack evidence because your gut feeling about them differs from my argument."

Okay. Right here. You do not understand what I am saying. I am saying that the set of "facts" you are working from are not solid enough. You can't even get the phrasing right. This is not, not, not what I am talking about. Just isn't. Read it again. Ask somebody else to explain it to you. I cannot talk to you if you are not able to follow the basic line of reasoning here.

I think recorded history is solid enough for my purposes.

Again, look at the sentence that I paraphrased nearly word for word from Paul Kennedy, how is it not solid enough? Assuming solidity is even a factor for an exam and you're not simply just assigning some arbitrarily high standard as to what constitutes "solid".


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Do you ever bet on the outcomes of those tests?

I'm a B average (85%~) student when I show up to class.
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I meant, does she ever bet on the outcome of the tests she proctors?
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I meant, does she ever bet on the outcome of the tests she proctors?

But that would be mean.

On a related note I actually assumed something entirely else from your statement, so I apologize for my ill thoughts. I assumed you were implying that my test scores weren't good (I didn't actually say anything as I restrained myself but I feel I should still apologize).

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Blayne, A#1 here is the fact that Kennedy's name doesn't appear anywhere in your essay. It does not represent itself as a summary of his work. If it did, such a statement would be in place. As it is, you're simply paraphrasing somebody else's conclusion and calling that a factual statement. It does not work that way. If it did, I would get to state factually in an essay that the cause of the Russian Revolution and Gulag was atheism, because that's something Alexandr Solzhenitsyn said once... kind of... paraphrasing a bit. That would be a tad much, no?
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Blayne, Although it isn't precisely relevant to your post, you should be aware that if you submitted this essay as an answer to an exam question, you most certainly would receive a lower mark because of the numerous grammatical and stylist errors. Since this is an in class essay, you would be cut more slack on small errors than you would on a formal paper or project, but not nearly as much as you'd need.

Poor grammar, style, spelling and punctuation make your essay difficult to read. Grading essays is a time consuming and largely unpleasant task. Grading a poorly written essay is doubly so. If you can make reading your essay easier and more enjoyable, you will receive a higher mark from most any professor grading it. It would be well worth your while to practice using good style in all your writing.

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quote:
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Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
I meant, does she ever bet on the outcome of the tests she proctors?

But that would be mean.

On a related note I actually assumed something entirely else from your statement, so I apologize for my ill thoughts. I assumed you were implying that my test scores weren't good (I didn't actually say anything as I restrained myself but I feel I should still apologize).

No, that was just a set-up. Now I'm just awaiting a reply so I can give the punch line.
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In fact, for grading purposes, a great many tests are not particularly concerned with any positions you take. They are concerned with how you represent those positions. This is why students are often asked to write persuasive arguments in contradiction to their personal views- because in the process of properly presenting those arguments, they can demonstrate their knowledge.
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quote:
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Blayne, A#1 here is the fact that Kennedy's name doesn't appear anywhere in your essay. It does not represent itself as a summary of his work. If it did, such a statement would be in place. As it is, you're simply paraphrasing somebody else's conclusion and calling that a factual statement. It does not work that way. If it did, I would get to state factually in an essay that the cause of the Russian Revolution and Gulag was atheism, because that's something Alexandr Solzhenitsyn said once... kind of... paraphrasing a bit. That would be a tad much, no?

However in context while I paraphrased the sentence I also went and provided context, and pointed out the numerous places the US has contradictory interests and contradictory policies in, around the globe (which is common knowledge) as well as pointing out the decline relative share of US gdp all point to the natural conclusion that while the US is still powerful enough to take care of one or a few hotspots, it can't possibly anymore at this time deal with all of them simultaneously.

That is sufficient for an exam, it's the "right" answer, a 20 page paper I'ld understand would require significantly more expositing.

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In fact, for grading purposes, a great many tests are not particularly concerned with any positions you take. They are concerned with how you represent those positions. This is why students are often asked to write persuasive arguments in contradiction to their personal views- because in the process of properly presenting those arguments, they can demonstrate their knowledge.

This hasn't been my experience thus far, I've had to write a paper on how would Machiavelli advise Obama on the Israeli-Palistinian conflict (I got good grade on it) and another paper for a different course where we had to pick a political paradigm and write the paper based from that.

Both specifically asked for such. I assumed it for the above as that's what I'm used to.

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quote:
Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
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In fact, for grading purposes, a great many tests are not particularly concerned with any positions you take. They are concerned with how you represent those positions. This is why students are often asked to write persuasive arguments in contradiction to their personal views- because in the process of properly presenting those arguments, they can demonstrate their knowledge.

This hasn't been my experience thus far
If true, I don't think much of your instructors.
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Originally posted by rivka:
If true, I don't think mush of your instructors.

[Big Grin]
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"A sentence should not end in a preposition."

Complete bollocks.... up with which me must not put!

But seriously, that "rule" is about as solid as the one that says you can't start a sentence with a conjunction. See my previous sentence. The "rule" was just made up by grammar teachers who had no clue how to actually teach style, and instead taught generations of impressionable students that following rules would somehow magically make them better writers. And what do we have to show for it? Generations of awful writers who think "sentence fragment" is a bad word.

If I recall correctly, OSC wrote an article about this a while back. Let me see if I can drag it up... here it is: http://www.hatrack.com/osc/reviews/everything/2002-02-04.shtml
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If I turned in this essay in college, I would have received a failing grade. Count me in on being unimpressed with your professors.

Your conclusions are not your problem. The presentation of those conclusions without including enough facts to explain to the reader why those conclusions are correct or defensible is your problem.

On a somewhat unrelated note - I one had a professor who lowered my grade based on the fact that, in his opinion, my writing style was "sneaky." His explanation: I presented the facts first without telling the reader what the conclusion was. By the time I got around to telling the reader my conclusion, the reader had already come to the same conclusion themselves. I never understood his position that this was a poor method for persuasive writing. The fact that the reader was persuaded to agree with me before they knew what they were agreeing to seems to be...well...persuasive?

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If I turned in this essay in college, I would have received a failing grade. Count me in on being unimpressed with your professors.

This doesn't make any sense, I specifically said that I wrote from a neorealism paradigm out of habit, that my professors stated I should write with a certain paradigm in mind isn't important to this paper's quality and since the last two courses was a course on Machiavelli and on international politics (in which realism and liberalism are important to the crux of the subject matter) it is reasonable that you should write with it in mind to show and understanding of what was taught in class.

If your taught about neorealism and neoliberalism than it makes sense for the test to ask you about it nu?

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If I turned in this essay in college

I don't really care if this one would or wouldn't, as it obviously wouldn't be what I'ld write or hand in, in an actual classroom enviroment, it was meant to be something fun to write up within a time limit.

a) the course would naturally present the material in such a way that there would be a more natural way of answering the questions, ie they would be answered somewhat different based on the actual material covered, which could differ in two different classes even if the question was the exact same.

b) Getting the question ahead of time is hugely important, I'ld spend a considerable amount of time tightening the paper and preparing before hand getting a better idea of what I would write.

As it is, I wrote this in a 3 hour sitting.

c) Most importantly, essay writing mode, I haven't written an essay in about 16 months.

So yeah. shrug.

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Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
I haven't written an essay in about 16 months.

I suggest more practice. Especially in the editing/polishing aspects.
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*shrug* Since it wasn't directly tied to your essay which was totally done only for fun and not at all for credit or classwork or anything that might require a ship-shape appearance, no one should talk about that at all. Even though among professionals and academics the ability to compose one's thoughts in a concise and good-looking way when writing is considered pretty important. Even in the absence of lots of proofreading.

And since this thread is only about this essay which was totally just for fun and not for any kind of credit, so it doesn't have to be concise or spell-checked or proofread, we also shouldn't talk about your propensity to fling really, really personal insults 'when you get mad', because that's OK too-it's other people's fault for getting you mad in the first place. Controlling your own temper in an online discussion board, that's not, y'know, a skill you might want to be interested in more than refining your thoughts on the geopolitical situation for China (but not on how to express those thoughts concisely).

Being able to avoid flying into a tantrum when people upset you isn't a helpful life skill in general, and people who tell you otherwise are probably just unfair jerks who should really just focus on geopolitics in Asia like you asked them to, because again proofreading doesn't matter in this context and it's other people's fault for making you angry in the first place.

"I get to fly off the handle and throw a tantrum when other people make me angry."

"It's not important to proofread or be able to express thoughts concisely if it's not for class credit."

"Unless someone has read my entire enormous post, they're not allowed to discuss anything about it and I don't have to listen to anything they say no matter how relevant it might be-especially if it's critical."

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quote:
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Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
And I always go back through it again to double check one last time, where I usually catch a mistake or two that I cross out and scribble in a correction for.

A sentence should not begin with a conjunction.
"(B)ack through it again...one last time" is redundant.
A sentence should not end in a preposition.
"(W)here" is wrong.

What's your point?
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Blayne, why exactly did you post this essay on hatrack? What were you hoping for?
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quote:
A sentence should not begin with a conjunction.
You're wrong.

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A sentence should not end in a preposition.
You're wrong.

But other than that, the grammar and phrasing in the essay is truly atrocious.

"Satellite Communist states imposed on the various governments "? It was the communist governments that were imposed on the *states*, not the states that were imposed on the governments.

"third world's largest population" ought say "world's third largest population" -- the same way that it's different to say "my uncle's black car" and "my black uncle's car", depending on whether it's the uncle or the car that is black, your sentence implied that it had the largest population in the third world, instead of the third largest population in the world.

Many apostrophes and commas are missing from their proper place.

This just from a brief glance at the essay. I'm sure I'll find many more mistakes if I actually go looking for errors.

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quote:
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Originally posted by Dobbie:
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Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
And I always go back through it again to double check one last time, where I usually catch a mistake or two that I cross out and scribble in a correction for.

A sentence should not begin with a conjunction.
"(B)ack through it again...one last time" is redundant.
A sentence should not end in a preposition.
"(W)here" is wrong.

What's your point?
I was being ironic.
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Well, I did it. I went ahead and read the whole thing.

It's bad for multiple reasons that have already been explained in abundance, but the most important thing is whether or not you are able to accept that it's bad, and seriously react to the appropriate criticism in a way which breaks the habits of this paper both in terms of general difficulty with language as well as lax assertions and positional bias.

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Offstage schizophrenically taking part or not taking part according its whims China and the non-aligned movement generally did their best to antagonize both sides while swapping back and forth according to which side offered the most aid and military assistance.
I don't have a single professor who would not have sent the paper back by this point.
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Blayne, why exactly did you post this essay on hatrack? What were you hoping for?

Why not?
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Spam.
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quote:
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Originally posted by Ben:
Blayne, why exactly did you post this essay on hatrack? What were you hoping for?

Why not?
Did you post in order to get feedback on your essay? Did you post in order to start a discussion about the subject matter? Or is there some 3rd reason?

Just curious.

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quote:
Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
Why not?

That's hardly enough reason to post, especially something that long.
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quote:
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Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
Why not?

That's hardly enough reason to post, especially something that long.
I disagree. There might be little reason to respond, however.
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quote:
Originally posted by Aris Katsaris:
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A sentence should not begin with a conjunction.
You're wrong.

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A sentence should not end in a preposition.
You're wrong.

But other than that, the grammar and phrasing in the essay is truly atrocious.

"Satellite Communist states imposed on the various governments "? It was the communist governments that were imposed on the *states*, not the states that were imposed on the governments.

"third world's largest population" ought say "world's third largest population" -- the same way that it's different to say "my uncle's black car" and "my black uncle's car", depending on whether it's the uncle or the car that is black, your sentence implied that it had the largest population in the third world, instead of the third largest population in the world.

Many apostrophes and commas are missing from their proper place.

This just from a brief glance at the essay. I'm sure I'll find many more mistakes if I actually go looking for errors.

I wasn't criticizing the essay. I was criticizing Lyrhan's post about proofreading.
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quote:
Originally posted by manji:
There might be little reason to respond, however.

Fair point.
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In fact, for grading purposes, a great many tests are not particularly concerned with any positions you take. They are concerned with how you represent those positions. This is why students are often asked to write persuasive arguments in contradiction to their personal views- because in the process of properly presenting those arguments, they can demonstrate their knowledge.


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This hasn't been my experience thus far...
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another paper for a different course where we had to pick a political paradigm and write the paper based from that.
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Do understand how the second thing you mentioned is what I'm telling you is normal, and so in fact, this *is* your experience thus far? It is normal for the grading of an assignment to be based not on the positions being represented, but on the way in which you present them- meaning your opinions don't matter as long as they are based on sound arguments and reasonable conclusions, and are appropriately circumspect. What is being told to you, by many people, is that this is the problem with your writing. Reason, propriety, circumspection- that's where you get credibility. You seem to think credibility is a in the set of facts being used, or where they came from: "It's okay because I read it in a book and I'm just repeating it," and the like, when in fact credibility is established by the writer in the process of applying and considering those facts. You never do get that far. If you'd ever like to get As on your papers, as I did and Lyr and Samp and Rivka and a lot of others probably also did, you should listen.
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quote:
Originally posted by Dobbie:
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Originally posted by Aris Katsaris:
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A sentence should not begin with a conjunction.
You're wrong.

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A sentence should not end in a preposition.
You're wrong.

But other than that, the grammar and phrasing in the essay is truly atrocious.

"Satellite Communist states imposed on the various governments "? It was the communist governments that were imposed on the *states*, not the states that were imposed on the governments.

"third world's largest population" ought say "world's third largest population" -- the same way that it's different to say "my uncle's black car" and "my black uncle's car", depending on whether it's the uncle or the car that is black, your sentence implied that it had the largest population in the third world, instead of the third largest population in the world.

Many apostrophes and commas are missing from their proper place.

This just from a brief glance at the essay. I'm sure I'll find many more mistakes if I actually go looking for errors.

I wasn't criticizing the essay. I was criticizing Lyrhan's post about proofreading.
Ha ha.

It came off as rather snotty to me, for a lot of reasons.

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Blayne, do you have a copy of Strunk & White?

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=strunk&x=16&y=18

Get this, study it, follow it, put it into practice, and you can realize great improvement, in essays (both exam and longer format research papers), fiction, job applications, etc.

And the best thing is that it's a slim volume you can read through in an evening, then refer back to you the rest of your life....

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I just looked up "snotty". It means "spitefully unpleasant", so it came out right.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben:
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Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
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Originally posted by Ben:
Blayne, why exactly did you post this essay on hatrack? What were you hoping for?

Why not?
Did you post in order to get feedback on your essay? Did you post in order to start a discussion about the subject matter? Or is there some 3rd reason?

Just curious.

The latter as I already said.

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Spam.

Derp.

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Do understand how the second thing you mentioned is what I'm telling you is normal, and so in fact, this *is* your experience thus far? It is normal for the grading of an assignment to be based not on the positions being represented, but on the way in which you present them- meaning your opinions don't matter as long as they are based on sound arguments and reasonable conclusions, and are appropriately circumspect. What is being told to you, by many people, is that this is the problem with your writing. Reason, propriety, circumspection- that's where you get credibility. You seem to think credibility is a in the set of facts being used, or where they came from: "It's okay because I read it in a book and I'm just repeating it," and the like, when in fact credibility is established by the writer in the process of applying and considering those facts. You never do get that far. If you'd ever like to get As on your papers, as I did and Lyr and Samp and Rivka and a lot of others probably also did, you should listen.

Not entirely sure what the question is in the first sentence but I'll concede I was slopping in how I posited my thoughts.

Though I have gotten A's or at least B on a fairly regular basis.

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quote:
Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
Derp.

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Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
I've made it known plenty of times how I feel about being made fun of via sarcasm and mockery, I consider it extremely physically painful to read.

You've shown plenty of times how you feel about making fun of others via sarcasm and mockery.
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quote:
Originally posted by Flying Fish:
Blayne, do you have a copy of Strunk & White?

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=strunk&x=16&y=18

Get this, study it, follow it, put it into practice, and you can realize great improvement, in essays (both exam and longer format research papers), fiction, job applications, etc.

And the best thing is that it's a slim volume you can read through in an evening, then refer back to you the rest of your life....

He's been told to buy this book more than once, at least by me. I can't be the only one.
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"The latter as I already said."

There were three options there. The latter here would be the third, in which case, the question stands as it is: "what is that third reason?" And "why not?" is not a reason.

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quote:
Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
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Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
Derp.

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Originally posted by Blayne Bradley:
I've made it known plenty of times how I feel about being made fun of via sarcasm and mockery, I consider it extremely physically painful to read.

You've shown plenty of times how you feel about making fun of others via sarcasm and mockery.

I don't believe the word means what you think it means.

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The latter as I already said.

Not when using Polish Notation.

Since it's apparently not clear the answer is to discuss the subject matter not the essay itself that I don't particularly care about.

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Enlighten me, then. What do you mean when you use that word?
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It's a one word equivalent of a litte more than [Roll Eyes] but short of facepalm.

A quick look at urban dictionary confirms this.

You may disagree but that is the definition I work under.

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In that case, refute what I said before. If you are posting essays of yours for no reason (the reason you gave was "why not?"), how is that not spam?
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'Why not' is not the samething as spam.

Spam would be purely noise, an essay even if a badly written one I stubbornly refuse criticism on isn't spam because even 1 person (and arguably Lyrhawn) could read it and find it interesting.

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You are correct, it's not exactly the same thing. But it is similar in an important manner; they both decrease the signal-to-noise ratio of the board for most members.

And that is a pretty darn good reason "why not".

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