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Eh. Enterprise got much better after the first season, as did TNG. It dared to be different, and it really pushed a lot of boundaries. I'm in the minority merely because a lot of the normal Star Trek fans didn't watch it. Like Parkour said, a lot of people didn't get through more than a few episodes (I still contend that it was the theme song). My wife hadn't; I made her watch it, and she became one of its most fervent supporters.
DS9? Deep Space Soap Opera? Sucked.
I'm glad someone has the guts to be mean to Big Bang Theory. It's only a little step up from Two and a Half Men.
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Back to Terra Nova, it looks like it has an audience that's not falling off week-to-week -- they actually had an 8% gain over last week (not even counting DVR numbers). I hope that it can kick it up a notch. It does have potential.
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I'm sorry you feel that way! I don't rank a single Star Trek over it.
Word. DS9 was the best Star Trek show. When it first came out I was worried that it would be boring, but then they introduced the Dominion and all of the sudden it turned into the best show on television at the time.
The best Star Trek episode ever though is still "The Inner Light" from TNG. I still tear up whenever I see it. I still contend that Picard should have won an emmy for his performance in that episode, but hey, at least the show itself did.
What is with sci-fi shows not getting the emmy cred they deserve? I can think of a couple episodes of Fringe in which John Noble deserves one. (Like this latest episode)
As for Terra Nova, this week's episode was pretty good. I am fine with these types of episodes as long as it moves the mythology and plot forward, however slowly. I was kind of let down that Mira's motivations were for her daughter though. I thought it was a kind of cop-out. I was hoping she would tell Jim that it was for a greater cause.
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quote:From Aros: DS9? Deep Space Soap Opera? Sucked.
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quote:Originally posted by Samprimary:
quote:DS9? Deep Space Soap Opera? Sucked.
I'm sorry you feel that way! I don't rank a single Star Trek over it.
We are now best friends.
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Sci-fi, and fantasy (more with novels really) has always gotten the shaft, and always will. There's a reason why Return of the King got a billion Oscars. They saved them all up for the last movie and shafted the others intentionally, though frankly they all deserved heaps of awards. ROTK wasn't even the best one.
Battlestar Galactica was fantastic, with top notch writing, technical stuff, and acting. Next Generation deserved several awards for writing and acting, especially for Patrick Stewart. Babylon 5 deserved oodles of writing awards, and probably even a few for graphics (which suck by today's standards but were awesome in the early 90s for CGI).
DS9 had great writing, directing, acting, and in general was one of the few shows for any genre actually putting character development over plot at the time it aired. It was funny, it was dark (though they hate that description), it was realistic where TNG was clean and pressed. Almost all of TNG was philosophical issues dealt with from on high in the safety of the ship. The best episodes were the ones that took away their safety and cleanliness. Those were the rule rather than the exception on DS9.
quote: Sci-fi, and fantasy (more with novels really) has always gotten the shaft, and always will. There's a reason why Return of the King got a billion Oscars. They saved them all up for the last movie and shafted the others intentionally, though frankly they all deserved heaps of awards. ROTK wasn't even the best one.
I love the LOTR movies very much. What I don't understand is how my wife hates it so much. She says the acting sucks, there is no plot, the graphics suck, and it is very campy. Of course, she didn't even get more than halfway into FOTR, because of the above reasons. She has seen clips of the others when I have watched it.
Are there others that have such polar opposite views of these movies, or is she just on the fringe. When she told me that it had no plot, I was like
My wife is quite smart and has good reasons for her opinions in most other cases, but I think she is just fantasy-racist in this case
Back to topic, I thought the latest episode of Terra Nova was better, but I am still waiting for it to grab me.
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quote:Originally posted by Marlozhan: [QUOTE] What I don't understand is how my wife hates it so much. She says the acting sucks, there is no plot, the graphics suck, and it is very campy. Of course, she didn't even get more than halfway into FOTR, because of the above reasons. She has seen clips of the others when I have watched it.
Are there others that have such polar opposite views of these movies, or is she just on the fringe. When she told me that it had no plot, I was like
My wife is quite smart and has good reasons for her opinions in most other cases, but I think she is just fantasy-racist in this case
This is a good example of a few points: - When someone hasn't actually watched something all the way through, they are a poor judge. I talked bad about the old Dune movie for years before I'd actually sat down and watched it through. - Some things are better (or worse) in context. If you'd read all of the Star Wars novels, you'd have a different view of the movies. Same with Game of Thrones, Dune, etc. Someone invested in a genre will have a much different reaction. Genres rely on tropes, yes, but themes are also at play. I have an aversion to both sports and military themed movies. - Many shows / movies are tainted by your mood when watching. Some movies I only recommend people to watch when they're bored, because that's frankly the only time they'll enjoy them. Do you really want to watch Mad Men on a Friday night after you've been drinking? Or would you rather watch Starship Troopers?
It's interesting. I knew a few people who never gave Enterprise a chance, who really ended up liking it later. I didn't have time to keep up with the linear storyline on DS9, so I didn't enjoy it (when I tried to rewatch years later, I found that it didn't age super-well).
Should you stick through a bad show because it gets good later? TNG, Enterprise, Fringe, Sarah Connor, and Dollhouse are all examples of shows that didn't hit their stride until the second or third season. I'd argue that they still have value, however. They can't all be Firefly. As for the LOTR -- bribe her to watch all three.
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quote:Originally posted by Marlozhan: [QUOTE] What I don't understand is how my wife hates it so much. She says the acting sucks, there is no plot, the graphics suck, and it is very campy. Of course, she didn't even get more than halfway into FOTR, because of the above reasons. She has seen clips of the others when I have watched it.
Are there others that have such polar opposite views of these movies, or is she just on the fringe. When she told me that it had no plot, I was like
My wife is quite smart and has good reasons for her opinions in most other cases, but I think she is just fantasy-racist in this case
This is a good example of a few points: - When someone hasn't actually watched something all the way through, they are a poor judge. I talked bad about the old Dune movie for years before I'd actually sat down and watched it through. - Some things are better (or worse) in context. If you'd read all of the Star Wars novels, you'd have a different view of the movies. Same with Game of Thrones, Dune, etc. Someone invested in a genre will have a much different reaction. Genres rely on tropes, yes, but themes are also at play. I have an aversion to both sports and military themed movies. - Many shows / movies are tainted by your mood when watching. Some movies I only recommend people to watch when they're bored, because that's frankly the only time they'll enjoy them. Do you really want to watch Mad Men on a Friday night after you've been drinking? Or would you rather watch Starship Troopers?
It's interesting. I knew a few people who never gave Enterprise a chance, who really ended up liking it later. I didn't have time to keep up with the linear storyline on DS9, so I didn't enjoy it (when I tried to rewatch years later, I found that it didn't age super-well).
Should you stick through a bad show because it gets good later? TNG, Enterprise, Fringe, Sarah Connor, and Dollhouse are all examples of shows that didn't hit their stride until the second or third season. I'd argue that they still have value, however. They can't all be Firefly. As for the LOTR -- bribe her to watch all three.
It's kind of hard to bribe someone when you share a joint bank account.
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A bribe doesn't have to be in cash. (Get your mind out of the gutter!)
I got my wife to watch Hellraiser 2 on a bribe. In return, I watched Rocky Horror. Guess who got nightmares!?!? (Hint: It was me.)
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quote:Originally posted by Aros: I didn't have time to keep up with the linear storyline on DS9, so I didn't enjoy it (when I tried to rewatch years later, I found that it didn't age super-well).
I was all set to jump on the bandwagon giving you crap for badmouthing DS9 (Because you deserve it) but I have to say I can actually sort of accept this reason. DS9 relies a little less on episodic storytelling and a little more on... actual storytelling in the vein of shows that came later (was the increasing trend of this vastly superior method determined more okay due to DVR or what? I've never owned a DVR so the thought didn't occur to me.)
When I first watched DS9 I missed a lot of episodes and had a hard time with it. Later, I watched it on DVD and it was great. Some aspects haven't aged well but that didn't detract from it for me.
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