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Troy
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As I sit here forming my own opinion of which writers here are really, really good, and which ones still need a lot of work (I'm in that camp) I find myself curious:

Anyone been professionally published?

Raise your hand. And if you want to, list the name of the publication and the story so I might have a chance to track it down.


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http://www.hatrack.com/writers/news/ericjamesstone.shtml
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My first pro sale happened a few months ago but has not yet appeared in print. I'll be posting about it when it does.

However, I think some of us are in both camps. Our writing is pretty good, but we still need a lot of work. I learn daily more about the craft and each story I write is better than the last, so I look forward to where I will be in 6 months, or a year, or a decade, or a lifetime.

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Me. And I groan when I read it. I could do SO much better now with nine months of learning under my belt.

www.anotherealm.com

It's called Trip Trap, and though it only paid $10 bucks it is, from what I understand, a qualifying publication for SFWA membership requirements.


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djv, anotherealm isn't a qualifying sale. Here's the list: http://sfwa.org/org/qualify.htm#qual

That isn't to say it isn't an accomplishment.


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Not published YET, but I have two contracts -- one for a picture book (coming out from Candlewick in 2007), and another for co-editing a Tor SF anthology (coming out summer, 2006).
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Oh right - names would be good.

From Candlewick: The Telaphab from Z-A
From Tor: Elemental: New Stories of Science Fiction and Fantasy (Co-edited with Steven Savile)

Alethea

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Troy
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Dakota did you write the hummingbird story over @ munsil.net this week? Is that you?
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Yes, it was her, and it's a fair bet to win Best Flash! Really great story.
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MaryRobinette
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I've made four sales, none of them over $50. Three to The First Line and one to Twenty Epics. I'm hoping that OSC's Boot Camp will have helped me get closer to making a pro-sale.
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I've published a number of non-fiction articles for as much as $300. Non-fiction is easy to sell.

I gave away my first two published stories and have regretted it ever since. I sold one about a year ago to Alien Skin, and have a sequel submitted to them. (The alien skin story was only online for two months.) My main problem is that I don't turn them around very fast, plus I'm working mostly on long fiction.


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My essay is coming out in The Full Spectrum, an anthology from Knopf to benefit GLSEN, June 2006. I'm stoked--at 16 it's my first time to be published.
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I am published (for pay) in Gateway S-F; The Palace of Reason; Vestal Review (technically professional rates, but it's flash fiction); and I think one other I can't recall right now. Or maybe I'm thinking of my article in The Journal of Irreproducible Results.

By the end of the year, I intend to be SFWA-qualfied by acceptance of my first novel.


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Will, I didn't know you'd been in Vestal. That's great.
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Christine
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I've had four shorts published to date. One is no longer available, the one in Nocturnal Ooze. One is current and in print in Aoife's Kiss (Issue 13).

This one's archived at Quantum Muse:

http://www.quantummuse.com/mar05_grandfather.html

And the last is current at FLash Me!:

http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/authors/mag/narcolepsy.html

But though I am perfectly willing to promote my work at any given time, I will say this much: publication is no judge of how good a writer is. You've read, haven't you? HOw much pure s*** is out there? Meanwhile, there are great writers among us too scared to submit their works or who get discouraged after one rejection and stop sending their stories out. (That's a hint...submit, submit, submit!)

Myself: I'm good. I strive to be great.

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Well said, Christine. My best stories are unpublished because I refuse to send them to the $5 markets. If you're getting good comments with rejection letters from SFWA-eligible markets, you're getting close. Drawer-cleaning should be done in a short story collection, IMHO, not by dumping them on the mini markets.
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MaryRobinette
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There's nothing wrong with submitting to small markets, as long as the market has a good reputation. Lady Churchill's Rosebud Wristlet, for example, only pays $10 and reguarly has material reprinted in The Year's Best Fantasy and Horror. There are small markets that one shouldn't send material to, because they are not selective and so aren't good as a credit.

This is one of the reasons that you should always read a copy of a magazine before you submit to it. If you don't like the stories in there, you don't want your work appearing in it. If it's badly edited, don't submit.

One of the ways I pick small markets is to look at the places that turn up in "Best of" anthologies. I also look at the writing credits of writers in the top markets. Then I order a copy and make sure that a) my story will be a good fit and b) that I won't be embarrassed to have my story there.

Just because a story is good, doesn't mean that it will fit in a top market. Sometimes stories have smaller audiences and that's when you should send them to small markets. But try the big ones first. It only costs a stamp.

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Good points Mary. LCRW is a good mag. I'd propose that Flytrap is also a good small market.

Also, though I applaud the sentiment, it probably costs two stamps. There's the SASE, after all.


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I've been published several times, although most of them were local publications that don't pay. I've had poems in a few chapbook anthologies, published a few poems in our church paper (which actually has a fairly large local distribution), and some stuff in WNC Woman magazine. I did have a short story published in a magazine when I was a kid, but I lost that & don't really count it. Or all of my irate letters-to-the-editor.

And of course, that doesn't mean ANY of them are good.

Let me go see if I can find some links...

Here's the online links, although the poem lost it's whole form in this version. WNC Woman is the only one that seems to keep online archives.

Article: Eye of the Storm
http://www.wnc-woman.com/0604eye.html

Poem: The girl in the picture
http://www.wnc-woman.com/0204girl.html

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MaryRobinette
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Rahl22 wrote:
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Also, though I applaud the sentiment, it probably costs two stamps. There's the SASE, after all.

Good point.

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Christine
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My favorite, and in my opinon best, short story is currently sitting in limbo for the very reason Spaceman mentioned. It got lots of good comments from the pros...quarter-finalist WOTF, close but no cigar from ROF, etc. Of course, they don't all agree. Interzone claimed it wasn't speculative enough for them and suggested a mainstream market. Well, to each his own, but I don't want to send this one to a five dollar market. I'm currently contemplating the higher paying semi-pros like A&A and Lenox Ave.

On the other hand, I let another good story go to some of those five dollar markets and nobody wanted it there, either. Go figure. Meanwhile, the stuff I've actually sold seems almost random. It's more like I sent the right story ot the right editor on the right day rather than having a real winner that would knock anyone's socks off.


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I published six or seven articles in my city newspaper while I was in high school, and I'm currently producing about three papers that should appear in various medical journals over the next year and a half.

Still waiting on the fiction, though


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If it comes back with comments, it got somebody's attention. I had a story sent back from ChiZine because the editor didn't like the ending, but she said she laughed though the whole thing and everything else she read that day was crap. I revised it and sent it back as a much better story, and another editor sent it back for insufficient characterization (it's an event story). I sent it to another market, no comments at all. There is definitely an element of crapshoot in all of this. Persistance and patience.
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I've published nothing in the fiction market yet, although I've got a couple of non-fiction pieces out there. Our local newspaper published an article I wrote, I had numerous articles published in "These Homeless Times," a newsletter with a 12,000 member reading list - which would be more impressive if I hadn't been the editor. However, I WAS quoted in a Canadian publication and I had a judge write me from Central America about how much he liked our newsletter. My most recent accomplishment was an article published in the Science Fiction and Fantasy Workshop newsletter's June issue:
http://userpages.burgoyne.com/workshop/download.pdf

Reading all the success cases on this board has convinced me that I need to try my hand at some short fiction, and go out there and earn some rejection slips of my own!!!


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I made a non-pro sale for which I haven't been paid yet ( ) to Fantastical Visions IV. Otherwise, nothing but a load of quarter final rejections from WOTF. Not that it doesn't keep me from trying.
Edit: Erm...in case the anthology ever comes out: the name of the story is "Healing Hands".

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One in the recent issue of Fantasy World Geographic. It's a paid piece, so that's nice. I suppose this is really the first pure fiction piece for me.

http://www.fantasyworldgeographic.com/index2.htm

A couple of creative nons you can link to through my website.

www.joshleone.com

Couple near misses on book publishing. Couple awards here and there.

For non-fiction - too many to name off the top of my head, but several dozen at least on everything from telemarketing to travel to celeb interviews. Pay ranged from around $35 to $500 or so.

Be well,
Josh Leone


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Troy
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I've been published probably more than a dozen times in zines and college literary journals and the like. Nothing that counts. (Haven't seen print in probably 9 years). Mostly poetry.

I also had a militant youth Socialist newspaper illegally reprint a high school newspaper article I wrote when I was what -- 15? 16? That's still online, sadly.


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Christine
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Spaceman -- it is, of course, true that receiving personal comments from pro markets is a good sign that you're on the right path. Most unfortunately, this stage of writing is also the one in which you must wait longer for a rejection (as they are taking it seriously) but ultimately it is a rejection.
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Yep. But I think that is the most frustrating stage, because you know you're close but don't know how to take the final step.
I had a story come back from two pro markets with comments from the editors, and they were to the effect of "we liked it, but we're not buying it".
How am I going to get better with comments like that? It sounds either like "something is missing, but I don't know what", or "I had a bad day, so here".

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Christine
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I'd be more inclined to believe the latter or else something like, "We flipped a coin and you lost." or "We just liked this other one better."

Which brings me back to an earlier point..publication is no indication of how good you are. Luck has a lot to do with this even after you've honed your skill. You have to send the right story to the right editor on the right day. You're trying to hit the bullseye on a darkboard while blindfolded and after having spun around until you're dizzy and don't know which way is up!


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Somedays I wonder if I should stop sending stories around and just pray for luck...
Never been good at darts anyway

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All you can do is keep writing and keep submitting. I get teh impression that you start publishing regularly when you write what ONE editor likes to see. When I look in Analog, Asimovs, and F&SF, I rarely see the same name in more than one of the magazine. They seem to settle into one and they regularly contribute.
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I actually hope that is what happens to me. I don't mind being a 'stable writer' for my favorite mag if it is a good one, though I also plan to submit to the other pro markets from time to time.
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Many years ago I was published in "Aboriginal Science Fiction." Since then nothing until this year with a small e-zine.
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When professional editors take the time to tell you that they liked something you sent them even if they didn't buy it, it's a safe bet to infer that they are telling you to keep sending them stuff.

Most rejection letters are put in the SASEs with the manuscript by someone other than the editor--why should the editor spend time stuffing envelopes when someone who is paid less can do it?

In order for editors to write something like "liked this," they have to make time. And editors are only going to make time in hopes that you will keep sending your work.

And why do editors hope you will keep sending your work? Because they actually do like what you've written and they are hoping to be able to buy something from you soon.

I have been told, time after time, that when editors find writers who are "almost there," they begin to watch for manuscripts from those writers.

When you receive a rejection letter with a hand-written note of encouragement on it from an editor, you can be pretty sure that your envelopes are not going into the regular "slush" pile, but they're going into the "hopeful" pile.

You do know that editors sort incoming manuscripts into three (or four) piles, don't you? One pile is for writers they've worked with and are likely to buy almost anything from. A second pile is for manuscripts from writers they have had to reject in the past, but whom they hope to purchase from in the future. And the third pile is the regular "slush" pile for manuscripts from people they aren't in any particular hurry to read. (Another pile may be for writers they have heard of but haven't worked with yet, but those may just go into the first or second pile.)

Anyway, don't give up now. You're in a better manuscript pile!


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I've had two non-fiction articles published and won a poetry contest at 1-800-flowers.
I had a short story accepted to be included in an anthology (Techmares II) but the guy doing the project became ill and hasn't been able to publish
I've also won a couple of awards on Writing.com.
I have some pieces though, that I just don't know where to submit. <sigh>
Meenie

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One of my writing goals this year was to take any opportunity I had to submit. So I queried and submitted two non-fiction articles. Both were except, as Spaceman says the non-fiction markets seems easier. The first article was very small, it was for a tour guide put out by the State of Vermont to celebrate famous woman. The second, was for Vermont Bride Magazine, they paid and they asked me to write three more articles. Today I got a copy of the magazine my article is in. It's pretty cool, even if it is small time.

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I am not sure whether 'being published' is an accurate predictor of how well someone writes.

About a dozen non-fiction articles (as Spaceman said, not hard to sell non-fiction, come to think of it all but three were solicited by the editors, so I don't know if it counts).
1 children's book --collaboration-- won a literature design award in Australia in 1996.
1 upcoming book -- rollicking good yarn -- non-fiction.

The more I write, the clearer I see my deficiencies as a writer.

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Just to make a point, just because non-fiction is much easier to sell doesn't make it much easier to write. There are some very very good fiction writers who also write non-fiction. Coming to mind first are Orson Scott Card, Isaac Asimov, and Ben Bova. There are plenty others (and I'd rather not have this thread turn into ...and so does XXXX.)

A good non-ficiton track record helps pay the bills if you are making a living by writing. Keep that in mind during a recession when people aren't buying much fiction. Even OSC had to turn down book contracts because the advance was too low. Plus, non-fiction is good for you. It breaks up the monotony and it gives you the chance to challenge yourself and learn something new. My first major non-fiction article was a 5000 word piece on the history of the Lick Observatory. I just looked at the mountain out the window of my apartment and knew there was a good story behind a hundred-year-old observatory on a mountaintop. I was paid in only copies for that article, but almost ten years later, I wrote a 500-word article almost completely from memory on my PDA waiting for meetings to start and waiting at the dentist office, and I sold it for $300. Not too bad for found time and 500 words. You'll probably never see that rate per word in fiction.

If you haven't written any non-fiction, I recommend you give it a try, even if it is just to exercise your unused writing muscles. I page through the writers market book every year and mark magazines that are potential markets for my knowledge base.


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This is an interesting topic for when people moan about how difficult it is to be a full-time writer. It's actually easier than you'd think. But you have to be prepared to give up many luxuries and live very trim (at least for a while) and be willing to write for fairly unglamorous markets (a friend of mine writes non-fiction articles for an industrial chemical company that pays $1.50/word).
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$1.50 a word for a 2000-word chem article pays for a lot of $5 short stories.
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Spaceman: I agree.
I once received 80ยข a word for a 1000 word article that took an afternoon to complete.

I wasn't trying to demean non-fiction writing.
It's like eating your vegetables.

But writing fiction is different, it is like trying to create a dainty dessert for a roomful of fickle gastronauts, when you are used to slinging good, honest hash for the breakfast rush.

'Tell the chef his tartlet is a little dry and formulaic...'
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Edit: Writing non-fiction for magazines also makes you stick to deadlines. If you can adapt to it, and still produce good copy, it often leads to follow-on work.
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Besides the deadlines, what writing non-fiction did for me was to force me to stand in front of a stranger and say, "I'm a writer, can I show you what I can do?" That was a big step for me.

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I'm afraid I'm not much more sure how to break into non-fiction than fiction. I'm working on a personal essay for a contest this fall but it's one of my first attempts.

Actually, though, my first sale was a non-fiction opinion piece on the use of cuss words in writing. My second publication was an article on critiquing I did for Kathleen. But these haven't paid the bills, as you say, just got me a couple of credits.


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That's a good start. Just think about what you know and page through Writer's Market and see what is out there.

The Lick Observatory article I recenly sold was to an astronomy magazine you probably never heard of, but I'm sure the editor at Sky and telescope knows about it.

By the way, I keep a binder with a photocopy (or print-out for web pubs) of everything I've ever published, along with an updated bibliography.

There is definitely a difference in writing non-ficiton and fiction. I realized only a few days ago that I still tend to write a lot of fiction from a non-fiction mindset. I have to force myself to change gears, but my fiction style will probably always be to-the-point with very little flowery language.


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Fortunate for me, bridal magazines like flowery language.
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This may be a good place to ask this. When mags ask for clips, do they want you to send a copy of the entire article, or just the first page with your name, the article name, and a few paragraphs? Or is it something else? My first nonfiction piece should be out soon, and since nonfiction seems a quicker way to pay bills than fiction, I've continued to look into writing it. With that first sale, I queried by email, and didn't mention that I hadn't been published before; they liked the idea enough that it apparently didn't matter. But some of the pubs I want to write for specifically ask for clips, and I'm not sure what they want, exactly. Since I should soon have a clip to provide, I figured I should find out how to go about providing it.
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I've had a few fictions pieces published over the years.

My first was a story "To Touch a Comyn," which appeared in Marion Zimmer Bradley's anthology, Renunciates of Darkover.

My last "big" one was "Who Lived in a Shoe" (written with my wife Deborah Moses) which is in the Phobos anthology Hitting the Skids in Pixeltown.

I've also had several pieces in our local computer magazine, ComputorEdge, and one in a short-lived 'zine edited by Catherine Asaro.

Still doesn't mean I know how to write, though.

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Minister, I'd recommend sending a photocopy of the complete article as it was published because then they can see how you finish a piece as well as how you start one.

If you're really not sure, you can certainly query the publication on their definition of "clips."

My understanding is that "clips" means the whole thing, though.


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Thanks, Kathleen. That was my developing impression, but I didn't want to send a mountain of paper to someone who only expected a couple of pages, and come across like the newbie I am.
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