My question is, do these have to be a million words of unrelated stories. As a novice, the idea of writing a million words of "stuff" that's just going to get thrown away, or tossed in the closet never to be seen by the world is pretty discouraging. So I pose the question, does this count rewrites?

Back when I was in high schoool I started a novel and got, maybe, 50k into it before I got side tracked. I came back to it a few years later, in college, and essentially rewrote everything I had written, and then finished the first draft, roughly 80k words or so. Then, more recently, I went back and noticed how horrible everything I wrote was, so I more or less rewrote it all again, this time about 100k words.

Then I discovered this site and have learned quite a few pearls of wisdom just from reading the numerous discussions here, and read a book or two on writing (ie, became a little more serious about my writing) and once more, noticed the fault in what I'd written, and went through rewriting most of it again, all 100k words of it.

So, theoretically speaking, is it possible to continually rewrite a single novel as you learn more about writing, and reach your "1 million words" that way? After all, if one were to completely run through a 100k word novel 10 times, thats 1 million words right?

Or is there a qualitative difference here between thorough editting (even if it's practically rewriting each scene from scratch) and actually coming up with seperate plotlines, characters, etc, and writing completely unrelated stories/novels for a million words?

I know several authors who've impressed me with their first novel. And I don't just mean first published novel; some people actually do publish the first manuscript they finish. OSC for example. And sure, even they have had some false starts and re-writes, but I doubt it was a million words.

"Practice the movement a thousand times and you will know it, ten thousand and you have mastered it."

"Fear not the man who has practiced a thousand techniques, fear the man who has practiced one technique a thousand times" - martial arts proverb

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some people actually do publish the first manuscript they finish. OSC for example.

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1M words is a lot to write when you put it in perspective. Though if you think about it, authors who have published dozens of novels would be in the multi-million words category. Now whether or not you have to write 4 Order of the Phoenixes ... phoenixii ... before you can write anything worth salt, I suppose depends on the writer's talent.

Though I would see it more as an analogy than anything. Because it doesn't matter how many words you write if you don't have any talent, skill, creativity or assistance in learning how to write publishable works.

Or so me thinks at least...

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Because it doesn't matter how many words you write if you don't have any talent, skill, creativity or assistance in learning how to write publishable works.

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Wait, so I can't just sit down and type out "the" a million times to become a good writer? Aww shucks. On to plan B.

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What if I'm just not gifted?

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I quit letting that bother me when I realized that half of the published authors out there aren't gifted, either. They're just more persistent.

Brings to mind a joke my cousin and I share. She lives in Alaska, where there are bears. We both complain about being out of shape and that we can't outrun the bears. Then we reassure ourselves with: "...but I don't have to outrun the bear. I just have to be able to outrun YOU."

We wish, eh?

I sat down one day and did some counting. I figure I've reached that million, if not far exceeded. Of course I've included in that count every research paper and art history essay I wrote in college. I don't include the stuff I wrote before college.

The point is that for the past however many years you've been developing as a writer. You've been applying and refining the craft of language, you've been paying attention to the structure of a sentence and how it can convey meaning with economy and poetry, you've been studying the technique behind story construction, you've been reading the works of others and learning from their examples.

Some people have a natural gift for it and fly right from the nest. Others need three or four M words. The point of the Magic Million is that for most of us, it takes about that many written words (and I count rewrites, but only as far as the added words, phrases, sentences that refine the rough draft--you can't count the whole story twice) for it to sink in. The point is that it takes time and effort to make a writer, and, MORE IMPORTANTLY, to progress as a writer.

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What if I'm just not gifted?

I quit letting that bother me when I realized that half of the published authors out there aren't gifted, either.

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*couhgDANBROWNcough* ... mumble, mumble. How he sold 40 million copies of The Da Vinci Code I'll never know. Maybe the real secret he unlocked is that if you attack the Catholic church you'll sell millions of books.

Stephen King's Dark Tower series was like that for me. Loved the first four books. Post-accident they went to crap.

I stopped reading WoT at book 5.

I'm pretty impressed with the Song of Ice and Fire Series and its purposeful use of being overly broad and not playing favorites with characters. Same goes with the Saga of Seven Suns by Anderson.

I know that I'm still far from my goal. I can easily write things that people want to read, but I'm not quite to the level of writing things that transmit the ideas I'm trying to express. Honestly, when I say "not quite" I'm making the very bold assumption that such a level exists and is not radically beyond the potential of human language. And when I say "bold", I probably mean "foolish"

I think that most of us are writing for the purpose of being understood. But we're all still learning how to negotiate the meaning of what we write to the audience. In personal communication, you can create a temporary alignment of symbolic exchange by modifying the semantic framework of all the involved parties. But with mass communication...if anyone understood the last sentance, you probably get the point already

I doesn't matter how much talent, skill, or creativity you have if you don't write something your just a dreamer.

As to bloat from an author, I had been thinking you have to have lots of detail and desciption to tell a good story. Now I've been reading "Monkey: A Journey to the West" (an english version of a classical chinese tale) and their is almost never any description. Where Salvatore could put awesome descriptions of battles filling pages it goes something like "monkey and er-langh fought a hundred rounds with neither gaining advantage".

By odd coincidence, I've also finally reached the point where I'm just about happy enough with some of my writing that I'm sending it out to pro markets.

Whether, of course, they think my million-word apprenticeship has been worthwhile or not is another matter; time will tell.

Generally speaking, no word is wasted, but I've certainly learned a great deal from sites like this, and from critiques and the like. But no matter all the books you read, the crits you get, the good advice you hear... there's no substitute for practice.

First off, GRRM is an awesome author. He's my current favorite fantasy author. His books are fantastic and entertaining, and keep you guessing. But his books are HUGE and BLOATED. Come on, the fourth book in the series was so HUGE that he had to break it up into two books.

The difference between GRRM and say Jordan or Rowlings, is that GRRM knows how to keep the plot fresh and the story moving. SO even though his books are gargantuan volumes that could fit half of an encylopedia in them, they are still good.

YES!!!! I agree with that statment. Let me also add that I am extra jealous.

(edited because I was apparently retarded this morning...)

Now on the topic, in stories, I've probably fallen just short of 400,000 words. I can honestly say that because I've completed an entire novel, 90k words, in little over a month, and now I'm rewriting it and currently finding I've only done 21K so far.

Other stories I've written have gone on to about 50k, while others have only reached 2000 words. I'm a mixed bag with my stories and novels and WIP's. I'm not able to stick to one idea and when I think of something I feel is stronger, more believable and easier to write in my novels I delete the entire lot.