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snapper
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Submitted mine. Thanks to everyone who gave it the once over. As always when I get around to submitting, the coinfidence I had for it has depleted. Oh well, someone has to win.
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So how many of us have or will submit? Looks like four at the most, which means we could all get something. HM at least. Three HMs or was that just for the mini-contest?
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I'm definitely submitting, but I'm trying to get in as much revision as possible, so I won't submit until the 29th.
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Just sent mine.

OTP's Facebook page has 99 "likes".

Anyone care to make it an even 100?

Axe


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[This message has been edited by axeminister (edited September 17, 2011).]


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Just submitted my story a couple of hours ago. Good luck all!
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Well mine just went. And to think I had a whole five hours plus to spare.
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OK, a question about OTP. I entered the mini contest and the submission was received. When I checked after I submitted the current story I saw that the entry was now marked declined. Is that because it didn't win, or because there was a glitch in the submission process. Only asking to see if I need to worry about the current contest.
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I'm not sure if this is the reason but OTP did announce the winners of the mini contest. You should have received a E-mail. I got that and a separate Newsletter. I think there was 87 entries, three place winners and maybe six (there seemed to be a contradiction there) HMs.

I also entered but didn't even get close my story is now on my blog even though you would have to scroll down a bit. Some day I will get around to putting it on my story page. I've posted a couple of stories there I don't mind not getting published.

There's also a rejection mini story I gave up on. Couldn't get it under 50 words.


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Yea, LD, I didn't get the separate e-mail, only read the results in the newsletter. It appears that there is an issue with smishsmash for me. I'll give this one the weekend and then send a query to them.
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In my experience with other magazines with online tracking systems, 'declined' means they do not want the story.
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I would agree with the meaning of the word declined even though I have never seen it in a rejection E-mail. Hmm maybe once.

However, I believe we will know how we do way before we, over on the WotF Q4 thread will know about that contest.


And I would be surprised if at least one of us does get at least to the HMs. There are a couple good writers here and I think we all kept to the premise. Well, three of us anyway. I don't think I read the other two but there's a good chance they did too.


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Well I've had a on-going e-mail conversation with them and evidently they did get the flash fiction entry, it made the finals but wasn't selected. They apologized for me not getting the e-mail result.

One thing they did say working against it was they get a number that are kid's point of view that are either their imaginings or daydreams. Mine was in that vein and that probably cost me.


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Wow. Congrats, Ute. That meant you made the top 10%. I was sure my mini-entry had a shot. I was wrong.

Nice work. Hope you do better in the main contest.

BTW, expect answers around the tenth, everyone. I know from experience they read them as they come on, so the entries that were turned in at least a week before were read and teh better ones were set aside for the final decision.


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Indeed congrats Ute.

With only 87, or was it 89, entries I thought mine would have a chance too but as usual I didn't get that far.



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Thanks, but again not holding out much hope. I didn't get a lot of time to work on it given a busy schedule, computer problems and my incessant reworking of the WOTF entry. I think I got most of the comments from both of you in though, so we'll see.
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Yep, just got my rejection today. I noticed the sample critique they posted was quite frank, yet respectful.

It convinced me to pay the $10 to get a critique of my story.


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Got the same mass email reject myself. I will be buying a critique myself and will share it with whoever wants to see it.



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Of course mine didn't reach the finalist stage either.

Surprised that neither of yours did but we have one more chance, maybe two to get someone from here in.

Thought about paying the ten dollars for a critique.


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I sent in my money and critique request last night. I also wrote him an email to accompany it. Now the editor is a guy I've talked to quite a bit, so I could describe our relationship as more of a personal one. It allowed me to respond, in my usual charming yet thinly sarcastic style (okay thinly may be a stretch), to whine about my rejection (so cool when you can get away with that to an editor). He sent me back a very enlightening response. I liked it so much I requested permission to post excerpts of it here.

If anyone would like to know what it said, email me and I'll fill you in.


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Well mine didn't make it either.
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Tarl Kudrick, editor, has granted me premission to post excerpts of his email. I will omit the personal commentary on my writing but offer you this bit about his publication and the difficulty of selling to it.

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The second thing working against you is, it's getting hard for ANYBODY to get into our magazine. In 14 published issues, we've had, what, five authors appear more than once? We've published something like 72 stories by somewhere around 67 different authors. Compare that to other magazines, in which the same authors show up again and again. More than that, every author we've published more than once (Ken Liu, Laura Loomis, you, Neil James Hudson, and somebody else I forget) have received at least one rejection letter AFTER having a story accepted by us. Ken, Laura, and Neil have all taken first place, and still had a story rejected by us after winning first place!

Why? Because we're dead serious about basing our judgments on stories, not authors. We might be the only fiction market where past success as a writer doesn't help you one bit. If Stephen King sends us an okay-but-not-great story for the next contest, his story isn't getting in. You think F&SF will say that? Even Ploughshares, a magazine known for its rotating guest editors (and therefore widely different kinds of stories in each issue), lets guest editors solicit up to half of each issue's works.


[This message has been edited by snapper (edited October 10, 2011).]


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I was going to ask if you meant Tarl? I've e-mailed him a few times even though I've only entered a couple of contests. I have asked permission to posts excerpts from his Newsletter. He seems pretty nice.


But I'm not sure if their rules make it that much harder to get in. They don't go by the writer's name so pervious publishing or lack thereof doesn't matter but that doesn't influence how I write a story.


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So, I just checked my submishmash account.
(Was waiting for an e-mail.)

My account is thus:

Submissions:
0 total results

Not having a good day over here.
Seems they didn't even get my story.

Guess it's not a rejection.

Axe


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Correction.
I logged in with user and password instead of my FB account and it's a rejection.

Better luck next time.
Better luck next time.

Whoa, there's an echo in here.

Axe


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Boy, that means none of us even made it to the finalist stage. That is a surprise. You guys had some good stories and I was sure the writing wasn't bad either.


There will be having another contest at the beginning of next month.


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I received my critique from Tarl. It is helpful, and I'll see if he minds if I share some of it with you all if you are interested. It might be neat, in fact, if we all shared the critiques with each other so we can learn from each other. Anyone interested?
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I am in Osiris and I wouldn't worry about permission. You paid for it. It's yours to do with as you wish.
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Sent, Snapper.
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I didn't ask for the critique, but I would be interested what they told you.
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Ditto.
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Sure guys, no problem. Will send it off now.
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Me too
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Hey Osiris,

The email never came through. Would love to read it.


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Ditto.
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Ditto, ditto
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Ugh, really? This is becoming a reoccurring problem with this e-mail account I set up for my writerly business. Okay, I'll resend in the morning, too sleepy right now.
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Okay, I've sent to all three of you. Please tell me if you received it or not.

[This message has been edited by Osiris (edited October 15, 2011).]


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Got it. Don't know how you feel about it, but I found it spot on.
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Got my crit and sent it to the four people who sounded like they're interested in it.

If anyone else is dying to know why I wasn't a finalist let me know and I'll send it to you as well.


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Osiris.
Nothing yet. =(

Axe


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I got yours Osiris. If your still having trouble with your email I could forward the crit on your behalf to Axe or anyone else who hasn't received it yet.
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Thanks Snapper, I just sent it to Axe. I have another e-mail account I can send from if I have to.

Axe let me know if you don't get it.


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I have received two of them, one from snapper.

I ran into a minor road block with paying for a critique. I would have to use my wife's paypal account which means I would have to explain it all to her first.


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Nope. =(


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Dustin, since some people got it and you didn't, I suspect one of two issues. Either my mail is going to your spam box, or that your host/server has my host/server blacklisted.

I know this is a lot to ask, but it'd help me troubleshoot this problem if you could find out if your ISP or hosting service has my service blacklisted. My service is called 'Bluehost'.


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I use godaddy. I've tried this route with them with some of my customers, they don't want to bother with it.

how about axeminister88@gmail.com

gmail is awesome.

Axe


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Axe, did you ever get this from me to your other account?

I talked to bluehost and it sounds like the problem is on their end and they wanted a list of accounts I've tried but failed to send anything to.


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Sorry Osiris,
I didn't get it on either.

Maybe I'm not meant to read it.

Axe


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No worries, I'll send it from another email account now. You should get it as the problem is clearly with bluehost and not you.
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Hot Dog!

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