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shimiqua
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My story isn't finished yet.I should have it finished this week, and out to you guys this weekend.

Hopefully.
~Sheena


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Osiris
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I'm running my story through the other group before I send it to this one, as that'll help me get it down to the 8,000 word limit. I'll send it out to you all at the end of the month.
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I didn't get my story out tonight to you all... for various reasons. One is on the Random Musings thread, and I played around a bit too much plus a couple of other reasons.

Hopefully tomorrow night but even so I think you all have enough stories to keep you busy for a day or three.


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Blew it again, no story out yet to this group.
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Utahute72
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So do we have a final list for this group.

I have:

Snapper
Osiris
Jennifer Hicks
Shimiqua
Delli
Utahute72

Snapper's already read the first draft of one of mine that I may be able to whittle down to the 8000 length. I have a second that will come in under that, but less further along. I should have something to send out by the end of the month to this group.


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LDWriter2
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I've only sent a copy of my story to one member of this group but I think I have received only two stories. Possibly three but that would be all.
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Utahute72
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So far I've read and returned the two stories sent to me, one from Snapper and one from Delli. If anyone else sent me one let me know so I can look for it.
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Osiris
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I've come to my senses and realize I only have time to participate in one of the WoTF groups, so since this one demands less time from me, I've chosen it.

I've critiqued Jennifer's and will get to work on the rest soon.
I need to cut some words from mine and then I'll send it out.

[This message has been edited by Osiris (edited October 24, 2011).]


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Teraen
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Is it too late to enter the critique swaps?
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Delli
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I'm more than happy to swap with you Teraen.

I've received and critted stories from everyone except Utahute72 and LDWriter2 I think.

Thanks everyone for your feedback on my story - it's been awesome and very very helpful. [Smile]

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Teraen
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Ok, I know their is reciprocity in play here. Who do I send mine to, and who should send me one so that I may review theirs?

FYI - mine is short, <7000 words...

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Teraen
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Delli, I just shot you a copy.
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Teraen and LD can each send me theirs. I have critiqued and have been critiqued by everyone else on the list.
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Teraen
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Snapper - just sent you mine. Let me know if you want yet another critique on yours...
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No results from the other group so maybe it came from this one even though this is suppose to be shorter stories.

I have a 12,000 plus story someone sent me and I can't figure out who sent it. I must have deleted the wrong E-mail again even though I don't recall doing any. But the story has some magic and is probably a medieval setting.

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snapper
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Snapper
Osiris
Jennifer Hicks
Shimiqua
Delli
Utahute72
Teraen

I read and reviewed every persons story on this list. If you didn't receive my critique, let me know.

Anyone send theirs out yet?

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Delli
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I've sent mine... to Beneath Ceaseless Skies...

[Smile]

I decided to go with a completely different story for WotF. But I haven't sent my new one to WotF yet. All finished, just have to go over it one more time to check for typos etc. But I'm too tired tonight... *sigh*

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Delli
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Let's do this thing!
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Should I look over it one last time?
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Should I get someone else to look over it one last time?
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Should I send it to another market before WotF because I have time?
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Can you tell the virgin WotF submitter? I think I should just send it in and write some more stories. In fact, I have already started on another longer short. Hmmm. Anybody else submitting theirs yet? Submitting now makes the wait even longer though...

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snapper
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Submitted it, and forget it. That's what I do.

Seriously, unless you feel your story has room for improvement, send it away, somewhere. It's teh only way it will get published.

Good luck!

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Submitted. [Smile]
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I wanna be a cool kid! I know I am late for the party, but I will swap with anyone that sends me their draft. I am also in the other group for those who already sent me theirs.
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snapper
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Okay, you can be a cool kid, but first you have to eat this worm.

Send it to me, BT.

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OK, if you've sent me a story from this group and I haven't sent it back let me know.
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What color is the worm, Snapper? Check is in the mail.
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snapper
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Nothing yet. My mailbox is empty
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I have sent my submission on its way. Thank you to all who took their time to read and offer me their opinions and advice. All I can do now is cross my fingers.

Goo d luck to you all!

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Rather off topic:

Snapper - Did you ever finish your story "Cold Blooded Killer?"

I critted that long ago, and I still remember it as an awesome story. Any chance you have an updated version I could read?

Your Fan,

Teraen

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Hey! I got a fan!

I'll send it to you but, other than the opening, nothing has changed.

BTW, "Cold Blooded Killers" was the title I gave it in my first draft. I've changed it a bunch of times since (not going to say what it is so I don't violate the WotF rules of revealing your work before it can be judged).

[ December 02, 2011, 09:34 AM: Message edited by: snapper ]

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You have more than one Snapper.
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Woo-Hoo! I have a fan club!
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Wake up!

Better get those entires finished. Who still has work to do? Who needs help?

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I've basically given up Q1 as a lost cause. I've been fighting off a writerly depression for most of the past couple of months and haven't done much. I'll send in a story -- mostly so I can keep my streak of consecutive entries going -- but I don't expect to get much out of it.
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Fight that depression, Jennifer! And I'm glad you're sending in a story. Never miss a quarter. I think I recall that Brad won on a story he "just sent in" at the last second. Writers are the worst judges of their own work.

And in other news, if anyone needs a last second read on a story, I'll be happy to take a look. My Q1 story was sent in a while back so I've got time for reading. Though now I need to start thinking about Q2. Got a couple of story ideas brewing and as soon as I finish my latest novel, I'm going to have to whip them out.

And good luck everyone! [Smile]

Tom

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I'm trying, Tom. [Smile] I have a good idea for Q2 and I'm almost done with the pre-writing legwork - the character profiles and world-building. I hope to get with the actual writing soon after Christmas.
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Yea, I'm still thrashing around with mine after Axe, Oswam, Teargen and LD tore it apart.
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Although I wasn't part of the cool crowd, I find I've exchanged with a few of the folks above, so I thought I'd chime in and say mine's almost done. I'm planning to hard-copy mail on my birthday. The 28th.

Of course, with KDW reading electronic entries first, then hard copies, and mine coming in the final days, I'll be the last to know my story's fate. But that's ok, I'd rather not find out a month from now...

Axe

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A while ago, I decided I wouldn't send the story I cycled through here because I thought it needed more work. Today, I submitted it anyway.

Jennifer, I'm battling the depression stuff too, but since last week, I actually feel like I'm winning that battle. I found that just sticking to 'the plan', submit, submit and no matter what I think of my story, submit, is incredibly liberating. Submitting gives hope. I think we (or at least I) tend to bind ourselves with our own rumination, and breaking those binds will get the creative juices flowing again.

You're a good writer, don't lose sight of that. [Smile]

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quote:
Jennifer, I'm battling the depression stuff too, but since last week, I actually feel like I'm winning that battle. I found that just sticking to 'the plan', submit, submit and no matter what I think of my story, submit, is incredibly liberating. Submitting gives hope.
Thanks, Osiris. I'm submitting. As soon as I put my WotF entry in the mail today, I'll have five stories out. What I'm having a hard time with is writing new material. I've been having serious doubts about any talent I might possess and whether I'm wasting my time trying to "break in" to publishing. I'm not looking for affirmations by saying that, just explaining the reasons. There's nothing worse than thinking I'm on the verge of a breakthrough and then not breaking through.

Anyway, good luck to those who are entering in Q1. I hope we see a couple finalists -- and maybe, dare I say it, a winner? -- among us this time around.

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Eeh. We're the cool kids. We don't care, either way.
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The line at the post office was damn scary, so the WotF submission will have to wait until tomorrow (along with my grandparents' Christmas gift). Yes, I'm doing it the old-fashion way this quarter. I'm with Axe in that I'd rather not get a reject e-mail on, say, Jan. 3.
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quote:
Originally posted by JenniferHicks:
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Jennifer, I'm battling the depression stuff too, but since last week, I actually feel like I'm winning that battle. I found that just sticking to 'the plan', submit, submit and no matter what I think of my story, submit, is incredibly liberating. Submitting gives hope.
Thanks, Osiris. I'm submitting. As soon as I put my WotF entry in the mail today, I'll have five stories out. What I'm having a hard time with is writing new material. I've been having serious doubts about any talent I might possess and whether I'm wasting my time trying to "break in" to publishing. I'm not looking for affirmations by saying that, just explaining the reasons. There's nothing worse than thinking I'm on the verge of a breakthrough and then not breaking through.

Anyway, good luck to those who are entering in Q1. I hope we see a couple finalists -- and maybe, dare I say it, a winner? -- among us this time around.

There is no "breaking through" as far as I've heard it from the pros I've talked to. Rather it's a long slow, inexorable climb to a career and the only way to fail is to give up. The way I see it, the only thing you need in this business is an indomitable will to keep going no matter what happens, no matter how many rejections you get, no matter how bad it feels and no matter what anyone says.

The cold, hard facts is that we're all good writers. Any one of us could win it. Any one of us could make a sale to a pro market. The problem is that there are thousands and thousands of writers just like us. The key is to last longer than the others and keep improving until they are forced to deal with our peculiar strain of genius. [Smile]

Have a happy holidays everyone and just keep swimming!

Tom

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quote:
There is no "breaking through" as far as I've heard it from the pros I've talked to. Rather it's a long slow, inexorable climb to a career and the only way to fail is to give up.
I get that. I'm not talking about some singular moment in which I will have arrived and a chorus of angels will sing halleluiah. My definition of a breakthrough at this point in my fledgling career is to make a SFWA-qualifying sale. Once that's accomplished, there will be another barrier to break through, and another one after that, and it keeps going and going. I'm taking it one barrier at a time, but this one is proving really tough.
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I'm with Jennifer.
To me, a pro sale will feel like I've made it.

Axe

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Hmm, I heard pros talk about when they reach a point where they start to sell and/or getting personal comments on a regular bases. By regular I don't mean every five stories they send out, it could be something like every twenty to fifty stories sell with a few personal comments mixed in there.

I would call that a break through. Of course you always have to keep pushing upward even if you sold a thousand stories and a hundred novels.


And I would also disagree that one hundred percent of us are good writers.

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Yea, I wouldn't put myself in the good writer category, more in the striving to be a good writer.

So what is a SFWA qualifying sale?

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As to a SFWA qualifying sale. I'm not sure if that is a market that SFWA has approved of already or a certain set of characteristics. Like Pro pay and 5,000 copies sold.

I'm sure someone will say for sure soon.

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SFWA recognizes magazines that have been open longer than a year, have 1000 or more subscribers, and pay $.05 a word or more. (paraphrasing, but I believe I'm correct.)

The newest is DSF. Here's their list, but it seems a little old...

http://www.sfwa.org/join-us/sfwa-membership-requirements/#pro

Axe

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Okay, checking to see...

1) If you've sent in your submission yet (hello - deadline)

2) If anyone would be interested in a WotF critique group for works of short submissions

3) If anyone wants to check out my tattoo. I got it for free from a guy in the back of a van. Pretty cool, huh? It's supposed to be a werewolf fighting a vampire. I can't see it, being on my back and all. How's it look?

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1) I'm in, with low expectations.

2) My Q2 story is going to be on the longer side, I'm afraid.

3) Oh, is that what that is? Next time, you might want to explain to the tattoo artist the difference between a werewolf and Big Foot.

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1) Yes.
2) Yes.
3) Ummm, snapper... You weren't cheating on the guy in the van were you?


P.S. Totally sorry for the crassness of the joke at #3...

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