I don’t really know if this belongs in open Discussions About Writing or Grits For the Mill.
I just finished reading Ender In Exile and realized that our beloved Orson Scott Card must read the posts here for some of the dialog and passages seem to have a few hints at some of the topics we have talked about here.
I found it ironic and rather funny for him to use some of the dialog, but he did it in a way that seems like it fits in the book. When I start to reread the book in a few weeks I will write down the pages so I have better information on my findings.
I'm a little dubious. Loved Alvin Maker...but disliked Ender from the original get-go and haven't followed it after that, so I probably won't read this one, either. Any examples?
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In the meantime I just assume that authors often reflect on the topics of the day when fashioning the dilemmas in their works, and since internet communities do the same in their own way, the two will coincide neatly. I'd hazard a guess that someone more widely read (and with more time!) than me could find any number of authors whose topics and/or dialogue tends to mirror what is discussed here.
As a related - barely - aside, I recently read Terry Pratchett's Thud! and found the themes he was satirising such as racism & bigotry very topical. It occurred to me this reflects very much the issues of the day.
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I didn't care much for the Ender books once I got past ENDER'S GAME, but I just recently finished ENDER'S SHADOW and loved it. I can't wait to get my hands on the next book in that particular series.
That said; I absolutely loved the Alvin Maker books. They were the first one's I read by Mr. Card, and they still are my favorites of his works that I've read. I also liked his stand alone novels ENCHANTMENT and TREASURE BOX.
I've read all the books in the Ender and Ender's Shadow series(expect for a few standalones). While I loved Ender's Shadow, I didn't care for the last in that series. It seemed shallow, heavy in dialog. It focused very little on Bean, who I cared about, while concentrating on too many other characters(especially viewpoint characters) that added nothing to the plot.
And though I loved the early Alvin series, it began to falter halfway through, and I could barely read the last one. And his latest short story anthology isn't as good as his first either.
With that in mind, I scanned the first chapter of Ender In Exile. Lots and lots of dialog. I wanted to like it, but in the end, decided not to get it.
I did not realize I was running him down. It was nothing about him as a person. And I love his work, just not in recent years.
This is primarily a writing group, and we give feedback to each other all the time. And as a critic of other people's published work, sometimes scathingly so, I believe he would/should understand--unless he be experiencing George Lucas Syndrome.
I think artists need honest feedback from their fanbase, rather than hear that they can do no wrong. Otherwise, they might become victims of their own success.
Both. Inability to listen to feedback led to a further decrease in quality. Of course, if any of his crew had the guts to tell him that Jar Jar & robots that say, "Roger, Roger. Does not compute!" was a bad idea, he didn't listen. He did tone that down in Episode II and III, but then, of course, there were other problems.
debhoag, Anyone who produces anything for public consumption should expect fair and perhaps unfair assessments of their works.