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Dude! It's a pirate movie. The plot has some major holes, yes, but so does Captain Sparrow's coat.
I move that they make two prequel AND two sequels. Prequel #1 would have, you know, a plot and other characters and things, showing the mutiny and other minor points in the story (hehe). Prequel #2 would be the full story of Jack's antics on Tortuga, co starring ME in many, many roles.
(I love Captain Jack Sparrow)
Sequels.. Do we even have to go there? Show me Jack at the helm with the wind in his dreadlocks and its paradise with ANY old plot... Posts: 866 | Registered: Dec 2003
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Javert, you have basically my encompassed my fantasies with one little sentance. Pirate-hobbit-me. Oh, wait, forgot the elf..
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If it came to a battle of the wits, Dread Pirate would win. If it came to being the better pirate, Sparrow wins. If it came to brandishing swords, they would stab each other at the same moment.
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Dread Pirate Roberts would tell Sparrow to sleep well and that he'd kill him in the morning, and Sparrow would pull out his gun and run away while only pointing it at Roberts. - And then Will would through a sword at the door.. and Fezzik would throw a rock at something... Duh.
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Ok, it all comes down to this, Captain Jack Sparrow would win with absolutely no contest, because of five simple reasons.
1) Being Jack Sparrow, he does have a large ship with cannons, the Black Pearl mate, and the Dread Pirate Robert's ship, has spears. Spear versus cannon, cannon blows up spear, and half of the nearby county, cannon wins.
2) The Dread Pirate may think hes smart, but in fact he's not, he didn't believe in ROUSs when they existed, showing he is simply immune to poison, not smart, whereas Jack Sparrow is both intelligent enough to understand that someone who identical too, and has the same name of someone, is related to them, and is smart enough to steal two ships at once, Jacl Sparrow wins on brains.
3) The Dread Pirate Robert's is by now about eighty three as is his original crew, Jack Sparrow is much younger, and his crew is also not aged, decrepid, and arthritic.
4) Jack Sparrow can sing this song, and the Dread Pirate Robert's can't.
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me. We pillage, we plunder, we rifle, and loot, Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho. We kidnap and ravage and don't give a hoot, Drink up me 'earties, yo ho.
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me. We extort, we pilfer, we filch, and sack, Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho. Maraud and embezzle, and even high-jack, Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me. We kindle and char, inflame and ignite, Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho. We burn up the city, we're really a fright, Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
We're rascals, scoundrels, villans, and knaves, Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho. We're devils and black sheep, really bad eggs, Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me. We're beggars and blighters, ne'er-do-well cads, Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho. Aye, but we're loved by our mommies and dads, Drink up, me 'earties, yo ho.
5) Captain Jack Sparrow has the coolest voice, outfit, demeanor, behavior ever. And yes I do do impersonations of him daily.
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ok, so Jack would win, but still I feel the Dread Roberts deserves some respect, he is just a cool guy, but the fight really would never take place, what would the two of them fight over.
Oh, and Rhaegar, the original Dread Pirate Roberts has long since given up Pirateing, they just give the name to someone else worry of it, remember? So it is clear what would happen if these two met, the current Dread Pirate Roberts would retire, and Jack would take his place, still in less the a week he stopp calling himself the Dread Pirate Roberts, and instead would be The Dread Captain Jack Sparrow.
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quote: There's a part of a fight scene where three skeletonized pirates are stuck together with a spear or something, and Jack sticks a bomb into the ribcage of the middle one. Then he pushes them out of the moonlight, and the pirate can't reach into his own ribcage to remove the bomb.
The pirates physically change when they leave the moonlight. Barbossa's blood is on the blade after she stabs him, because he wasn't in the moonlight. And the pirates can bleed onto the gold for the same reason.
Then why is it that the pirates can't eat, even when they're out of the moonlight?
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Just for the record...when Barbossa and Elizabeth and all the pirates are in the cave for the first time, Barbossa shouts: And who among us has paid the sacrifice owed to the heathen gods?
Everyone else: US!
Barbossa: And whose blood must yet be paid?
Everyone else: HERS!
So there we are. Everyone's bled on the gold so far, and now they need Turner blood, because he was the only one who hadn't bled on the gold. Unfortunately, he was at the bottom of the ocean--alive but smushed--so they needed his offspring.
Jen
*refuses to admit plot holes in her favorite movie of all time*
Anyway, Jack Sparrow would win.
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Of course he is not going to demote himself to be just a Pirate (dreaded legandary priate or not) when he was already a captian.
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*Thwacks Koga with pickaxe* Fool! Hear me and obey! He will not be the Dread Pirate Jack Sparrow.
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Jack took the coin because whatever happens, he grabs at anything that might give him an edge. I think he's a man who changes plans at the drop of a hat, the Jackie Chan of pirating, and also he realized that he was one of the two people in the cave who could be killed, an imbalance that clearly would not do.
Jack runs his sword down his hand and then throws the coin to Will. Will drops both coins into the chest from his own bleeding hand.
Will wasn't recognized as Bootstrap's son until attention was drawn to the resemblance for an obvious reason: he was clean. How often would they have seen Bootstrap with a washed, shaven face?
The cursed pirates could eat and drink. They just got no enjoyment or nourishment from it.
The original script (okay, one of the original scripts) had Jack's coin giving him a separate curse that had to be lifted on its own, and one of the deleted scenes shows him replacing it after Barbossa was dead, but the writers finally agreed that it was too confusing. Return all the coins, the curse is lifted. Much easier.
1) Being Jack Sparrow, he does have a large ship with cannons, the Black Pearl mate, and the Dread Pirate Robert's ship, has spears. Spear versus cannon, cannon blows up spear, and half of the nearby county, cannon wins. Um, judging from the movie, being Jack Sparrow apparently means that he loses a lot of ships and spends most of his time getting them back.
Dread Pirate Roberts (Wesley) did believe in the ROUS's (he saw two of them when they entered the Fire Swamp) but said he didn't believe in them to reassure the Princess.
Dread Pirate Roberts vs Captain Jack Sparrow? Depends on which Roberts. The ones before Wesley, I'd give to Jack, no question. Wesley vs Jack I'd call a draw, but the dialogue and the intrique would be wonderful to watch. Wesley advances through sheer competence at everything, Jack through wiliness and uncanny cunning. Fan Fiction writers? Hello? However, it's suggested at the end of Princess Bride that Inigo might become the next Dread Pirate Roberts, and I suspect that a few weeks of swordplay as a pirate captain would bring his skills back up to their pre-drunken height. It was pretty clear in the book that Inigo was far and away the finest swordsman that ever lived, but alcohol and despair and ultimately the lack of a challenge let him slip somewhat so that Wesley could beat him. If Inigo was Roberts, Jack could think circles around him but couldn't possibly best him in swordplay.
You guys watched the movies, right? This is all so clear, and I should know.
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I still think that if it was a battle of swords, they'd kill each other at the same time. Wit is definately in Dread Pirate Roberts hands.
Wesley actually died AND came back, while Sparrow only walked among the undead for a short period.
And besides, Wesley is in love. True love. Do you think that happens every day? So long as Buttercup would be alive, he would win. Kill Buttercup, he'll go insane and kill Sparrow anyway. He bested the best in swords, he bested the best in strength, and we all know he has wit beyond measure. Sparrow has nothing but his ship in terms of what to live for.
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You know, it's strange. I've located lots of hobbit-on-hobbit online fantasies, but very few Wesley on Captain Jack. Who can point me?
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Wesley has several advantages over Jack Sparrow--True Love, Competence, Sanity.
Jack Sparrow has a few advantages over Wesley--Need for Freedom, Lack of Sanity, totaly disregard for honesty.
If they were fighting over Buttercup--Wesley wins. If they were trying to get a ship--Jack wins.
If Inigo were the Dread Pirate, the two would sit down to a drinking contest. Jack would cheat, but still lose (He was tricked into overdrinking by a mere girl).
Actually, come to think of it, there is one person who makes the very best pirate.
They out drank/out witted Jack Sparrow.
They know the Pirate code better than any other.
They tricked the best ship in the English Navy into doing their bidding.
When the regular pirates were ready to surrender to the Black Pearl, this pirate came up with three seperate statagems to win the sea battle, and would have been victorious if the opponent wasn't immortal.
They broke out of prison on one ship, snuck onto the enemy ship, freed their crew, and took over said enemy ship.
Then in the final battle, they rescued Jack and Will.
Finally, it was this pirate's ruse that allowed Will to free Jack from the gallows, and this pirate's bravery that allowed both to go free at the end.
Who is this greatest of all pirates?
Elizabeth. She who brings starts the movie admitting her pirating, as she sings the song we all know and love. "A Pirate's life for me." Talk about a woman to put to sea under.
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Elizabeth rejected Captain Jack. On a beach in the Carribean (spelling?) no less. I wouldn't DARE sail under someone with that bad of judgement.
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Bad judgement? Jack didn't love her. He only loves the Black Pearl (and for good reason). The best that Jack could offer her was a quick roll in the sand, and he got too drunk to accomplish that.
Or did he?
We may never know what happened on that hot tropical beach, after the camera's went off.
In the Deleted Scenes on the DVD (thanks again Kasie) we see Jack saying to Elizabeth, "You and me are alike."
But she still outwits him.
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After the cameras went off Jack got the heck away from her, since she was 17 at the time and her mom was on the shoot. Eek!
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I watched the movie for the first time last week while vacationing. Here are my thoughts:
1. La Isla de Muerta or some abbreviated or contracted version of the aforementioned is the name of the island. From Spanish that translates into "island of the dead" or "death island" depending on your preference. Either way you get the picture.
2. The compass points to the island and is not a magnetic compass but a pointer to that specific location.
3. As was mentioned the first time we see Barbosa and his men, it is definitely a foggy/cloudy night. Hence no skeletons.
4. Jack definitely slit his hand and I would tend to agree that he gave himself power by taking the coin and allowing himself to be cursed. If he is somehow injured or killed in the ensuing battle, no harm done, and he is still at the place of the altar and can easily remove the curse when he is ready. It was a smart tactical move on his part.
Hopefully this clears up some of the details that are previously scattered in this thread. I am sure that I have left out a few things, but this post wasn't meant as the final post to the thread; simply a cleaning things up and organizing them for my own benefit. Take it for what it's worth...
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So far the Pirates 2 rumors are that it'll be subtitled "Treasures of the Lost Abyss," and that it may be 2 and 3 filmed back to back. No assurance on the reliability of either rumor.
So where's Buttercup's Baby, hmm, Mr. Goldman?
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I havn't got around to all of the commentaries myself yet- only Depp's with the director.. I love how the unic thing wasn't even in the script..
Treasure's of the Lost Abyss huh? TOTLA.. has a good ring to it-- I figure any other movies made will have something to do with treasure.. it is a pirate movie..
You put Sparrow and Inigo together.. That would be one helluva movie.. If done right.. The Dastardly Duo.. Two insane wreckless guys who only hope they know what they're doing. Sparrow has a strange compass.. Inigo has a sword that points where he asks his dad to point it.. Inigo loves his father.. Sparrow loves his ship. Inigo is after the man with 6 fingers who killed his father.. Sparrow is after a guy with one eye who stole his ship.. They both kill the guy who stabs them right before hand.. The two got alot in common.. - Kinda quarky, neh?
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So we actually managed to clear this all up! Amazing, who ever actually managed to translate the Isla de Mueta, which is obvious now I look at it...
Goodness, I can't wait for the sequel.
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Is it Spanish "Muerta" said with an English accent? Maybe? (first year spanish speaker/6 year french. french death=morte)
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Teshi, its kindof sad you didn't know what that meant, and whoever mentioned the eunech thing, you spelled eunech wrong.
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Some friends of my family just gave me the DVD for Hanukkah (of Pirates, not The Princess Bride). I was excited, it's my very first DVD! (I have over 500 VHS at home, but not a single DVD). It's my first DVD! And I don't have a DVD player! Oh well, I watched it on my computer. Posts: 7877 | Registered: Feb 2003
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I would tend to think that the people are speaking Spanish and not French.
Although I don't doubt that I have a Spanish bias, I am pretty sure that the carribean was much more a Spanish speaking area than French (Yes I know there's Haiti, but more Spanish than French is spoken in the area)
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Don't tell the folks of New Orleans or French Guiana. OK, not quite in the middle of the Caribean, but definately priate places nearby.
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I am going to throw another vote against Captain Jack.
I mean, look at the sissy name.
Jack Sparrow? Oooh. I am going to be afraid of a pirate named after a tiny song bird.
And he spends his whole movie trying to reclaim the dastardly title, Captain.
Scary title Captain. We have other villianous captains to deal with. Captain Stubing. Captain Kangaroo. Captain Crunch.
Face it, of the two Captain Jack Sparrow--whimpy name.
Dread Pirate Roberts--there is a name to strike fear into a land lubber. It has the nasty Pirate right there in the middle. And it starts out with Dread. Anything that starts out with Dread you know has to be really nasty and awful (The Stallone movie Judge Dred comes to mind, extremely awful). And then there's Roberts.
Ok, maybe Roberts isn't to evil, but its a lot more evil-like than Jack. Roberts--robbery. Ancient crimminal background. Jack? You Jack a car up. Ok, you can get Hi-Jacked or Car-Jacked, but, that is just a sub set of the crime of Rob-ery or Roberts-ry. And we all know that at sea, you don't get car-jacked or hi-jacked.
When you are Rob-bed at sea, that is Piracy. So you can see that in all ways, The Dread Pirate Roberts is much more evil and piratical of a name than sweet Captain Jack Sparrow
Though going back to my earlier statement, the scariest priate name of them all.
Elizabeth.
It was Queen Elizabeth who organized and recruited the original pirates--er Privateers--to raid the Spanish in the Caribbean.
She was the leader that sunk the Spanish Armada.
She was known at the time as the Pirate Queen of the Pirate nation of England.
So if you want to winner in names, fear Elizabeth.
(I also think she is way cuter than the other two, though Orlando comes close as Legolas, he ain't quite that cute.)
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On a related note... was I the only one hoping that the elusive privateer captain at the end of Master and Commander would turn out to be Jack Sparrow? Now THAT would be a movie....
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There could be something to this. I know that anything involving Julia Roberts is bound to be awful.
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I jacked something from the store, sounds so much better then I robbed something from the store--
But Commodore Norringtons got the coolest title cause it's got the 'Commandeering' aspect too it. - Tis a pity he doesn't do it though.. Anyway I expect that in the next few movies we'll see a much cooler and powerful Norrington at work- He'll probably be fighting on Sparrows side lost out on an island or something.. -- Now that the curse is gone, I expect we'll be seeing alot more pirating-- treasure finding x-marks the spot kind of stuff.
And Roberts?- Chrimany, it reminds me of the shorter fat kid that hangs around that everyone wants to shutup and leave. Go away Robert..
Jack on the other hand.. well.. that being the name I go by at school in a lot of my classes this year.. I have to defend it.
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You know, there's more to being a pirate than just being dreaded. You have to have that devil-may-care do-anything-for-a-rep attitude (Jack*ss) and with long ardorous journeys at sea with women abourd being bad luck, well, what else do you do which begins with Jack?
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Whoa, whoa, whoa....who's saying the Dread Pirate Roberts would win a battle of wits? I love him, I love the movie, but really. What does he do clever? He doesn't do anything clever to kill Wally Shawn, he's just immune to poison. It was a little bit clever to make Fezzik look scary and on fire, but that was largely luck. How do we think he would have stormed the castle sans holocaust cloak?
I rest my case.
Whereas Jack Sparrow does lots of clever things. Thinks on his feet. All that. Notice the removal of his chains; notice the beautiful escape routine at the beginning; notice the system of getting his ship (actually, I always think people ought to do that, and at last someone did it in a movie! YAY!); et cetera. Jack Sparrow is WAY smarter than Wesley.
On the other hand, Jack Sparrow would, I think, lose during single combat with the Dread Pirate Roberts. He gets banged about a good bit in the last fight with Barbossa.
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