Actually I owe you an apology for misleading you. We were joking around in a thread a couple of months ago about Punxsutawney Phil and Groundhog Day, and I must have left you with the impression that I was "fil" or "fileted" or whatever. Sorry. February 2004 is as far back as I go here at Hatrack. But I'm glad to know you anyhow.
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I would come to KamaCon, but I have State Fair leadership conference that weekend, which is supposedly a major honor. Sorry. I will have to have fugu, blacwolve, and raia say I am real.
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Elizabeth, I'm sorry, but email, snail mail, video conferencing, and telephone calls do not count. Only real, live, face-to-face contact counts.
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Saxon, I feel that that this policy is highly unfair. However, if the Western Mass. get-together happens, I will be real.
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skrika, you can still be in the clique. It's just that without "Bug City" you can't be in the inner clique of the clique. It's a complicated clique with many levels.
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I am completely unreal. Does, having met someone and not known it, count as real? I mean, I probably bumped into one or two of you at an OSC books signing.
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I'm a troll in a monkey suit, that is really a troll suit full of squirrels. So maybe i'm my own clique? Damn myself!
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Please ! I met Corwin, and he's the only Hatracker in France ! It SHOULD count ! Or at last OSC should come in France juste once !
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Indeed. As there would be no way for the first REAL Hatracker to come into existence. I think we need to modify the rules...
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I remember having a discussion like this back in high school. We basically defined it as a group of friends who hang out to the exclusion of everyone else. Those of us with semi-open groups or who traveled between groups didn't mind admitting the groups were there and sometimes unfair to newcomers. The ones in the closed groups were the ones claiming there were no cliques at all.
Just my two cents.
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Slash declared himself real, once. I think that if we start at people he's met and work our way out...I might not be a figment of AJ's overactive imagination.
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So then, would meeting OSC and making at least 1 post on Hatrack be an alternative means of becoming REAL? Or has it mutated and now that's no longer a viable method of transmission?
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So, since I met at least 10 Hatrackers before I ever registered here, does that mean I was never imaginary?
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Skillery isn't fil? I reserve this frowney for special occasions.
It's amazing how finding out that what you thought you knew about someone isn't true really reframes everything they say.
Fie on you, skillery.
fil was a person who coincidentally registered near the same time as filleted (now known as fallow). People mistook them for each other, and he left after folks dragged complaints about fallow into a conversation we were having about home school to question his credentials. It was kind of ugly. As hatrack goes, anyway.
I felt responsible for advancing the notion that they are the same person (because I thought they were the same person) because I conversed with them both a lot because we were all new at the same time. I called them both fil.
I don't suppose this was intentional on your part. I seem to recall you joined hatrack around the time that OSC fan was very active, which is why I "accused" you of being filleted.
Well, anyway. Just goes to show you never really know anyone. No one is real.
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I don't think it is just "meeting" OSC, he has to know who you are as well. I mean he signs gazillions of books, of course he doesn't remember everyone.
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I do think the rise of AIM has tended to create more cliques, simply because there is a smaller amount of the important friendship-creating conversations on the board.
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A personal pet peeve of mine is that sometimes the important stuff doesn't actually get posted on Hatrack. I mean I support all of the side forums that people have, but I tend to be mostly monogamous to Hatrack. I don't have time to check all the others and do some work... even though I think I actually am registered on most of them.(Though not philotic web)
Like for example, I knew from Hatrack Kama was upset the other day but I didn't know why. It wasn't till I went to sakeriver (or was it GreNME) a couple days later that I found out that she broke up with her bf.
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I have to say that I only post the really, really personal stuff on GreNME. That's because fewer go there, it's more tightly moderated, and John carries an Uzi.
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i just don't like posting personal stuff at all. anywhere. heck, i don't even write my own landmarks!
i did sort of let more stuff leak out over on saxy's forum, but i think that's blown up in my face. back to non-entity status please.
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I guess it gets back to whether folks bonding excludes others. It would be a pretty boring world.
I do belong to the "AIM is the devil" clique.
I belong to the "not embarassed by their LSAT score" clique. Even if I can't remember what my score actually was.
I profess to be a Daghead, which is a clique of two as far as I know.
I'm on CT's list, though I have no idea what that means.
I play mafia every chance I get, but I'm so bad at it, I'm kind of in the "pathetic, strung out mafia" clique rather than the "loves mafia" clique.
And Bok dedicated a thread to me.
Anyway, I guess I can't let the folks who squish me have more power than the folks that that have tried to build me up. I just get confused with folks do both.
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quote:People mistook them for each other, and he left after folks dragged complaints about fallow into a conversation we were having about home school to question his credentials. It was kind of ugly. As hatrack goes, anyway.
Actually, in that thread, I dragged in complaints I had about fallow not to question fil's credentials, but because I had found them both to be extremely rude, and their identical snarky posting style and similar names confused me into thinking they were both the same person. And I don't know that it was all that ugly. Heck, I even apologized for the misunderstanding, though fil was the one who suggested that people who felt as I did had no business teaching and no real commmittment to the job. And nobody really dogpiled him either.
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quote:I have to say that I only post the really, really personal stuff on GreNME. That's because fewer go there, it's more tightly moderated, and John carries an Uzi.
Exactly. Plus, I know the people who post there, so it's ok if they advise me on serious stuff. I wouldn't like such advice from someone I don't even realise exists on Hatrack, no matter how cool they end up to be.
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The rules for being real are as I have stated them. I'm sorry if that inconveniences anyone, but I didn't make them up. You could always appeal to the Lizard King if you'd like to have them changed (here is where he started the whole thing) but these days he's not on Hatrack anymore, so you'd have to come to his new official home in order to make your appeal.
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This is a lurker’s perspective. I have always been a lurker, really, even before the Internet gave me places like forums to hone my lurking skills. Playgrounds in elementary school, the cafeteria in middle school – I was the one hanging back, looking longingly at the groups that so easily formed and wondering what the secret handshake must be. I’m shy. Don’t get me wrong; I’m not miserable this way. I’m a grownup. I’m happy in small groups of people. I’m comfortable in my skin. It is just not easy for me to join a new “group”.
This is my own baggage I carry with me to a place like Hatrack. It is just how I am.
But. The community here is harder for someone like me to break into. It sometimes feels like moving to a new school in sixth grade. People don’t push you away, of course. They’re very welcoming. But most of them were in the same kindergarten class together and remember the scary substitute from second grade and the terrible birthday party that Brucie’s mom threw at the truck stop… That’s not a clique, at all, obviously. But it is not easy to be a new sixth grader.
Silly personal and somewhat embarrassing example: when a bunch of hatrackers started playing scrabble at games.com, I thought, “Hey! I’m a scrabble player! Maybe that’s an area of common ground. I’ll pop on over to games.com.” (Unfortunately, I think when a lurker shows up in a context like that, it’s actually a little creepy.) But that’s in retrospect. Anyway, I watched a little scrabble, didn’t say much, and went back to my comfortable lurking role. The point is: I wanted to join in. No, I didn’t lay awake nights thinking about it. It’s “just” a forum. But it’s also a community, a vibrant growing interconnected family, and who WOULDN’T want to be a part of a place like this?
I guess my point – if I actually have one – is that people who speak of cliques may just be standing wistfully on the outside edges thinking what fun it looks like in here. Maybe they’re just wishing they were more a part of things.
P.S. I am real. I was at Boot Camp last year, which means I met ScottR and OSC and the rest of the bootcampers (not sure which of us post here). I may be a lurker, but I exist!
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Well Sharpie, for what it's worth, whenever I see a post of yours I think "Oh, cool, Sharpie's back!". Your posts are pretty rare, but I always make a point of reading them.
Celia, I must have missed it when things blew back in your face over at Sakeriver. I'm not sure what happened, but I hope I wasn't a part of it. I'm glad that you showed more of yourself over there though; you're one of those hatrackers that I actually think of as a friend.
I definitely let my hair down more over at Sakeriver than I do here at Hatrack, for much the same reason as kat does at GreNME. Sakeriver is actually the first forum I check each morning (followed by GreNME, followed by Hatrack). I haven't gotten in the habit of visiting Jonboy's forum yet, and the one time I checked out Madowl it looked pretty close to moribund. I keep meaning to check it out again, but I always forget.
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