According to that he was fired from Angel due to his drug/alcohol addiction. He later died of a drug overdose on someone's couch.
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Are there any sources that state plainly that he was fired?
Because the way the story progressed, and the outcome and lasting story effects that came from it seemed so masterfuly orchestrated.
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I'm also reminded of Joss, on the commentary for the pilot of Buffy said they almost put Xander's best friend (who, uh, leaves the show an episode or two later) in the credits just for those episodes so that his "show leaving" would be a shock and come completely by surprise. Because of their miniscule budget in the first season, he didn't have enough money to have two title sequence cuts, so he nixed the idea. (Kind of interesting, seeing how many variations of the main title begin showing up in Season 4!)
Joss did say in the commentary, however, that he was actually able to do the same thing for the first season of Angel, and he actually pissed off a lot of fans.
Still knowing that Joss said that, Quinn's leaving of the show came as a complete shock to me, and still had quite the emotional resonance.
Buffy shows up at least twice in season 5 (one of the times is in Angel's dream, granted), but SMG isn't there. Does anybody know why SMG wasn't in season 5 of Angel?
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From what I've heard SMG had conflicts with other projects/refused to play the part of Buffy after the end of Buffy. That's just from various rumor mills, though, I don't know anything definate.
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Yeah she said she wanted to play other roles other than Buffy. They had her body double for all the scenes where they needed to show her presence in Angel season 5.
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I remember reading something in the paper about this. Whedon wanted SMG to show up for the end of Angel. However, since it's cancellation was a suprise he wasn't able to give her much notice. This was exactly around the time that Scooby Doo 2 was coming out and she had previously scheduled plans and responsibilities to them. She told Whedon that if he could change around the filming order (shoot the 22nd episode before the 21st or something like that) that she could come. But he hadn't written the script yet, so it just didn't work out.
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Did something similar happen in Buffy season 6/Angel season 3? Between episodes 4 & 5 of each show, Angel and Buffy are said to have met and argued, but the meeting's never shown... anyone know what happened there? (Network legal problems? Actors too busy? Writers not interested in actually showing the scene?)
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plaid- I believe that one was network legal problems. I'm pretty sure they had the scene written and everything, but weren't allowed to film it.
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Plaid -- at that point, the two shows were on different networks. It's not surprising that they didn't want any cross-pollination.
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Still on season two. I just saw Surprise/Innocence. Great episodes,and holy crumb. That would seriously suck.
Also, I love Cordelia and Xander. I think they are darling. I know everyone is supposed to be fond of Willow and Oz, and they are really cute together, but Cordy and Xander are much more fun to watch.
I listened to the commentary to the episode where they got together, and the woman who wrote said "No one saw this coming." Is she kidding? Everyone could have seen this coming! I was watching the first disk and asked Taalcon if Xander and Cordelia get together, because it sure looked like foreplay fighting to me. I like that they did, but it wasn't exactly a huge surprise. They had to give Cordelia something to do as she's hanging around once she stopped tormenting the Slayer. Tormenting Xander would be a natural.
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quote:plaid- I believe that one was network legal problems. I'm pretty sure they had the scene written and everything, but weren't allowed to film it.
Yeah, pretty much this:
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Leaving am I, but let's talk crossovers. No plans for one right now, but they are not ruled out forever. Better to let the shows get started on there own, but someday.... in the meanwhile, I have a thrilling noncrossover planned that should drive you guys insane.
quote:Still on season two. I just saw Surprise/Innocence
Ooo, you're getting to the really good stuff!
When a friend of mine was watching Buffy for the first time several months back, I made her watch them with me via AIM (both of us watched on our computers and commented). Very fun. Alas, I was sleeping while she was watching "Becoming", but she filled up my IM screen with her reactions.
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I'm not really addicted to Buffy till they get to the middle of fourth season, but Becoming is one of the episodes from earlier that I watch over and over again.
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"Still on season two. I just saw Surprise/Innocence. Great episodes,and holy crumb. That would seriously suck."
Yeah the rest of that season will blow your mind. I got into BTVS about 2 months ago believe it or not. And one of the reasons I am such a big fan now is because of season 2. You will love it. My favorite season is season 2 with a little season 6 mixed in.
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You know, I really have never watched any episodes of BtVS. Probably because I think that if I had were a girl, and had been named Buffy I think suicide would be wholly justified. Ungh.
And that is my two cents.
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Half the cast has weird names... Buffy, Willow, Zander (although that comes from Alexander), Cordelia, Oz, Angel, Anya... Much more fun than plain names like Randy or Joan. Posts: 1947 | Registered: Aug 2002
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Xander's name is Alexander Harris. Not especially strange. Xand could easily have chosen to call himself Xander instead of Alex sometime pre-series, say middle school (Who doesn't want to change thier name at that point?).
The character Darla (Dharla?) dies four times -- as a mortal, as a vampire, as a mortal again, and as a vampire again.
How and when did she die the second time? I assume that it was somewhere in the early seasons of Buffy, but I have no recollection of it.
While I'm at it, how and when did Drusilla die as a vampire? I assume it happened in season 2 of Angel, but again I can't remember it happening.
I assume that she must have died, since they never had her come back even though Juliet Landau kept being on the show in flashbacks up through the last few episodes of Angel.
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Darla is in the first episode of Buffy. She's the one in the annoying school girl outfit who kills the boy in the opening scene. She's a darling of the master and tries to get Angel to turn evil. Instead, he kills her. I think they were in a warehouse or something. It was either kill her or let her kill Buffy.... or something like that. Anyway, Angel did it. With either a crossbow or a stake.
Yeah, my memory is great! Anyway, she was a really annoying character, and they changed her when they started doing flashbacks and when they brought her back. She was way too lovey and meek around the master. Not very Darla-Like.
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Yeah, I remember her character in Buffy, I just didn't remember how she died. That's because when she died in Buffy, she wasn't that important of a character.
But even when they brought her back in flashbacks, etc., Darla was still meek when dealing with The Master.
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Xander is what my brother wants to call my nephew, whose full name is William Alexander. (To continue that trend, my kid will be named Julius Khan.)
My dad and grandparents call the kid Willy. *amused*
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She probably was still meek around the master to make her earlier behavior seem plausible. I still don't buy it. I don't see Darla being scared of anybody.
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Just saw Phases last night. Oz is indeed darling. He's so laid back, which is perfect for Willow, who is basically a big ball of sweet anxiety.
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*grin* Well, I can't say that I thought enough about this to be able to go past a few casual statements. I've got no good reason not to think that your interpretation is the better one. Posts: 2880 | Registered: Jun 2004
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Letsee, I liked season 1... REALLY got into it in season 2... and by the time I got to season 4 I stopped renting anything else until I was done with the whole series. Posts: 2911 | Registered: Aug 2001
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quote:Originally posted by Amanecer: Half the cast has weird names... Buffy, Willow, Zander (although that comes from Alexander), Cordelia, Oz, Angel, Anya... Much more fun than plain names like Randy or Joan.
Well, Buffy is Elizabeth, Xander is Alexander, Oz is Daniel, Angel was Liam...
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quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: Here's another Buffy question.
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The character Darla (Dharla?) dies four times -- as a mortal, as a vampire, as a mortal again, and as a vampire again.
How and when did she die the second time? I assume that it was somewhere in the early seasons of Buffy, but I have no recollection of it.
While I'm at it, how and when did Drusilla die as a vampire? I assume it happened in season 2 of Angel, but again I can't remember it happening.
I assume that she must have died, since they never had her come back even though Juliet Landau kept being on the show in flashbacks up through the last few episodes of Angel.
Darla got pregnant by Angel. But when he came to term, she couldn't deliver him. In the one act of love she ever did as a vampire, she staked herself, and Connor was born when she dusted.
I think it was season 3, but I could be wrong.
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The first time she died was as a mortal. She was already dying of syphilis when The Master came, killed her, and turned her into a vampire.
The second time she died (the one I was trying to figure out about), Angel staked her early on in the show Buffy.
The third time she died (after being brought back to life by Wolfram and Hart) she was killed by Drusilla (at the request of Wolfram and Hart) and truned into a vampire. Again.
The fourth time she died, she staked herself for the sake of her son. Who ended up being just as evil as she ever was, even though he was human and had a soul and all.
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Hmmm, I don't remember that one. Do you remember which episode it came up in?
quote: While I'm at it, how and when did Drusilla die as a vampire? I assume it happened in season 2 of Angel, but again I can't remember it happening.
I assume that she must have died, since they never had her come back even though Juliet Landau kept being on the show in flashbacks up through the last few episodes of Angel.
I don't think Drusilla did ever die as a vampire. But season 2 of Angel/ Season 5 of Buffy is the last time we see her not in flashbacks. She leaves LA after slaughtering people in Angel and then she leaves Sunnydale after Spike locks both Buffy and her up.
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Maybe Elizabeth is her middle name? I'm pretty sure we heard her middle name at least one. But yes, her name really is Buffy.
I wish UBB boards had spoiler font. It'd make it soooo much easier to talk about things like this without worrying about accidentally spoiling someone.
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*thwaps self* I should have known that. I feel stupid now. In my defense, I started work at 6:30 this morning so I'm rather braindead at the moment.
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who the guardian of the "Deeper Well" was in the last season of Angel. I knew him as Paul Mua'Dib in the SciFi version of Dune.
I did the same thing with the pompous ass in the episode Shindig of Firefly -- it took me forever to figure out that he was Duncan Idaho.
I'm hoping to have somebody else from Dune show up in Serenity. I'd love to see The Baron. Or Jessica (who it took me forever to figure out where I knew her from).
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quote:Originally posted by The Pixiest: Anne is her middle name. Buffy Anne Summers.
Wasn't Anne just the false name that she used as a waitress when she ran away from home at the end of the 2nd season?
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MPH: "Anne" was her name in the first episode of season 3 when she was waitressing, yes. However it wasn't a fake name. When asked "Why Anne?" She responded "it's my middle name"
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