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hmm, I think I will vote Head Ditch Digger, at the risk of jumping on the band wagon. msquared has some solid points, and who would fake being police? they would just die the next day if they were lying.
Oh, and what goes on at Town Meetings? I don't think I will be able to make the one tonight.
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I'm voting for Erik Slaine, because he cast the first stone and all.
I think m2 is being a bit tricksey. Why would he urge us not to vote if he was police and could lead us to a correct lynching? It doesn't make any sense.
quote: For those of you who think I might be mafia trying to live one more day, wait one day and see if Head Ditch Digger is mafia or not. Then make your decsion.
There was no suspicion towards M2 to begin with, so why would he be "trying to live one more day," mafia or no? This also doesn't make any sense. He came out as a policeman and the doctor will probably feel inclined towards saving him from a whacking because of it, but only celia has raised suspicion against him so far.
Unfortunately, most of my argument depends on whether or not HDD is dirty. If he is, I will buy that M2 is not mafia, because it doesn't really make sense for him to post HDD as a scapegoat. I've tried to imagine a game where the mafia turnes on one of their own, and I'm not convinced it can be used effectively.
I have not asked the other police to identify themselves yet. There is no need for them to. I am asking the doctor to save me so that I can stay alive one more day and ask one more question.
I am doing exactly what I said should be done.
If the police do not name a mafia, then the townies should not vote. Once I found out who the mafia was, HDD, then I announced it and am asking people to lynch him.
As far as I know the doctor can not save someone from lynching, only the mafia. If the mafia try and kill me tonight then the doctor could save me. Tomorrow, when we see that HDD is mafia, I will not get lynched. The mafia will kill me on day three. Hopefully another of my suspects will be idenified as mafia and two will be gone.
I have but one life to give to my town. I feel very Gary Cooperish.
If you don't mind could you e-mail me at msquaredmafia@hotmail.com?
I have something to discuss with you.
I understand why you may not want to contact me, as at this point you have no proof that I am not mafia. However, if you feel that it is a good risk please do.
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M^2, you may have only one life, but you're taking me with you. Tomorrow, everyone will see how much you played them.
And pulling the doctor's vote for yourself tonight, knowing full well that the mafia would not vote for one of their own. cunning, sir. I tip my hat to you
As my wife, mcubed, would tell you I am not that smart. I do not know if the doctor will save me. I understand that until the lynching tomorrow my veracity will not be proved. It might be to late by then. Such is the life of a policeman. My duty is to serve and protect, and if I can take one of the vile mafia with me, then I will sleep the eternal sleep easier. Just remember to shine my star and bury with my boots on.
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Anyone who can use the word "veracity" correctly is smart enough.
Besides, no one's wife believes they are smart enough to do anything but take out the garbage. So using your wife as evidence of you ignorance, doesn't float.
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Msquared, you still haven't told why you wanted us to abstain from the only power the citizens have. I genuinely don't understand why you didn't want us to lynch tonight.
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rivka, i was trying to address you're concerns about my behavior, as stated in the post i was answering. you should be suspicious of me and of everyone else. i don't know you well enough to know if that was obvious to you, so i addressed it.
m2 and others, HDD's guilt would not prove m2's innocence conclusively, but HDD's innocence would prove m2's guilt. tom is correct. am i the only one familiar with the acclaimed 'keats manover'? HDD may indeed be the sacrifice the mafia uses to gain the trust of the townies. after all, if we all just follow m2 blindly, tomorrow he'll announce that the person asked was a citizen and we shouldn't vote. if he's a cop, he's being honest. if he's mafia, he's guaranteeing that his cohorts are safe from lynching. he cannot tell us to lynch an actual townie as we would then know he was lying. he might be setting us up to be picked off, while telling us it's in our best interests.
does that seem possible to anyone else?
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Celia, when you get to know me better, you will realize that I am often suspicious of others.
Only in games like mafia do I get to give that free rein.
But I do really find it interesting that rather than letting it slide, you are still on the defensive.
I do agree that m² could be mafia, and sacrificing HDD. That's why I only trust him guardedly.
However, isn't it interesting that people I consider suspicious anyway are all yelping "mafia"! about m²?
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Yes, but M2 said "Let's not vote tonight. I'm going to be morally upright and abstain" and then two hours later he says "Nevermind, let's lynch HDD. Oh by the way, I'm a cop" It doesn't make any sense that M2, as a policeman, would suggest a non-vote tonight if he was hoping to persuade us toward the lynching of an actual mafioso.
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It makes perfect sense to me, not that I don't think MM couldn't still be mafia... But given that he is the police, he takes this stance on principle, not expecting the person he's checked to come up mafia, and then when they do, he can't just reverse his position and say, "Aw screw all that, let's just kill HDD..." so he has to tell us he's the police. If the person had come up townie, then he'd probably continue with his no-vote stance, given that he's the policeman of course. (Edit: Or rather A policeman)
It doesn't make any sense to me for him to take such a stance and then switch from it if he IS mafia. That would just garner uneccessary suspicion, which is THE thing to avoid during this game.
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Okay, M2, first you're asking us not to vote, and now you come out and say you're a policeman and have already IDed a mafioso?? I'm sorry, but didn't the police have to put in their guess before 10AM hatrack time just like the mafia and doctor, and wouldn't therefore jeniwren be online to answer your email when she is posting at the start of the "day"?? Hmmm?
I don't know what to think about you, but I am tempted to think you are mafia because you are trying very hard to manipulate the townies. If HDD gets lynched and it turns out he is mafia, that does not credit you as police; this could very well be a clever mafia tactic. On the other hand, you could be a police who truly didn't get the answer back until later and who is just trying very hard to bend the rules to his liking. Either way, I don't like your way of playing.
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Wow...the things you miss while you're in class! I must say that I am very confused. On the one hand, I'm tempted to be suspicious of all these goings on. And on the other hand, I kinda just feel like voting for Head Ditch Digger along with everyone else. Decisions, decisions.
Hmm...well for now I'll put in a Head Ditch Digger. I can always change it later, if there are any developments.
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Wow, Damander! The lady doth protest a whole heck of a lot! And you know perfectly well that sometimes jeniwren doesn't happen to be online just at the moment a cop queries about a townie.
Oh, and Ryuko is a girl. Posts: 32919 | Registered: Mar 2003
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Yes, I know from my past experience as police that she's not always online, but we put in our guess anytime during the day. The new deadline is before jeniwren starts the new day though, therefore she would be able to check email then and send out replies.
I do believe that m2 is police; I'm just curious why he changed his position halfway through the day.
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Ryuko et al. please note that he didn't claim to be a cop until a few people started voting, instead of listening to him and abstaining.
the votes before his announcement were m2, ryuko and feyd, correct? is he trying to save one of these by offering HDD? does HDD have something on his plate this week that makes him more expendable than one of the ones voted against?
i am not certain that he is mafia, i only see it as a possibility and want to urge caution against following blindly what he tells us tomorrow and the next day.
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It seems to me that the only way we can be sure about MM is if he turns up a mafia tomorrow too. However, I'm going to give him the benefit of a doubt, 'cause even if he is playing us, we have a 2/3 chance of killing a mafia (from what I understand).
And the suspicious side of me says that HDD is prostesting his innocence a bit too much.
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Ah, blacky, I always scream innocence, go back and look at my last two games. I always argue that I was innocent, and was right, I will add.
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I put my request in today, this morning, and got the answer back early this afternoon.
Jeni is on the West Coast and I am on the east. The time lag makes a difference.
I have been consistent with my thoughts and actions. I said to not vote until a police came forward with a name. As soon as I got a name I came forward and made myself a target.
Do what you will, but the good people of this town know that I have their best interest at heart.
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Msquared didn't say outright that he was a cop, but he was alluding to the fact that he might not make it through day three...
quote: T
I will try, but here is my problem. I have a ghoslty feeling that I may be the next victim.
This is a note to the doctor. I submit myself as a possible person to be saved this night. Half of my immunity is gone and if I succed in preventing a lynching my other half is gone. I suspect that the mafia are mad at me, although that may be my ego talking.
T, be of good cheer. At least you get to sit back and see all the silliness that will now ensue.
msquared
and this:
quote: understand everyones concern. However, I still stand by the belief that this is best for the townies in the long run. Not lynching some one for the first two or three turns is good for the citizens. Of course now that I have clearly made my case, the mafia will seem to support it, since it is obviously good for the citizens.
I expect that when I am finally killed all will realize that I have only the best interest of the town at heart. I am the voice of reason trying to control the mob. Just ask Ryan.
msquared
(emphasis mine)
He's been playing the tragic hero from the beginning when there was no reason to. This and the fact that he begged the doctor to email him makes me think he's tricksey.
But, since the other policemen haven't spoken up yet, I'm slightly inclined to take M2's word. If MsquaredCop! is the correct assessment, then they already have this worked out how M2 said. If not, then they have their own strategy that I don't want to mess with.
I was making those statements about my dying becuase I suspect that the mafia did not like the plan I was putting forth. If I was dead they would have an easier time convicing townies to lynch someone instead of making the mafia do all the dirty work. I just know that since I am out in the open as police my days are numbered. I will not see the end of the game alive. I am a tragic hero, all the cops are. We are here to sacrifice ourselves for the good of the town.
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Ryan is welcome to vote for whoever he likes. I just won't actually kill msquared if he wins...er, loses the lynch vote. Win or lose, he doesn't die today.
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sm, indeed m² has been "playing the tragic hero from the beginning" -- but I disagree that there was no reason for him to do so.
As a cop, he knows he has a target painted on his back (I recall the feeling well). This was likely to come through even before he admitted his cop-ness.
And sm, I repeat:
quote: However, isn't it interesting that people I consider suspicious anyway are all yelping "mafia"! about mē?
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M2, that still doesn't add up. I know all about time differences, I'm not dumb. What I'm saying is that if you sent in your accusatory guess on time (and we are running on Hatrack, eastern time), then Jeniwren would have had the guess before she wrote up the day's kill. Therefore, she would have been able to send you your response about the same time as she posted (about 12 noon). But you maintained your no voting status until about 2:30. This is what I don't understand. Please explain your reasoning for this, or a more viable reason for getting the answer late than time zones.
After all, if you are police, you have nothing to hide from us townies. And we need to be able to trust you if you put forth someone tomorrow too. All I'm trying to do is make you more credible in our eyes.
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Damander, there is life outside Hatrack. I wouldn't have believed it, once upon a time, but since then I've learned. Maybe MM was unable to check his mail until such time as around 2:00 HST?
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Maybe, he forgot his password to his e-mail and it took him a couple hours to get it all fixed.(yeah right..) Mwahaha, Msquared is going down next round!
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You can believe what you want. I know that in a few days I will be vindicated. I have nothing to hide now. Other than the identity of my fellow police. I should say that we have about three other people that we susupect and have them on our list to check out in the next few days.
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Well, online or no, there are some times when you just space checking your email... I don't think we should accuse MM because he has a life outside of Hatrack...
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My fist post was 12:20. I posted again at 12:20,12:25, 1:55, 2:24, 2:27 and made my announcement at 2:35. The record I have shows that Jeni sent her e-mail to me at 1:00PM my time. I did not get it until later. I use Hotmail and there are times where it takes a while for it to deliver mail, if I can even get on. There have been many times where I get a "server busy" message when I try and log on.
I did not have an answer before the story was posted.
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