quote:saxon, in your defense, I had been in and out of skimming this thread up to that point, and didn't fully understand the larger context of the question when I answered it. And honestly, your bad reaction made me think more closely about what I was saying. My more recent explanation is, in fact, what I think about the matter. My earlier comments were more careless and flippant. Sorry I ticked you off
And I'm sorry for being too prickly. We coo' now, Dog.
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It's a very human trait, mack - never lose it! I'd hate to be alone!
Hey, Kayla - have you read The Way We Never Were by Stephanie Coontz? I think you'd enjoy it. It pretty much shreds the myths of the 1950s on all fronts.
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I want to start out by saying that when I took part in the deleted thread, in defence of Skillery's comments, I didn't mean to upset or offend anyone. I realised after thinking about my post that I hadn't worded it very well and when I got back to Hatrack was going to apologise - I was shocked and upset that it had been deleted as I did understand the point of the thread and felt that it was a useful discussion to have. So I do apologise if I upset you with my comments. Punwit put it so much better than I did at the beginning of this thread.
Do non-mormon Hatrackers really have us all lumped into a scary group which overcomes our individual personalities. I can't remember most of the time who else is LDS or isn't.
I do have the same religious beliefs as other LDS but I certainly don't have the same cultural, political, ideological and personal beliefs as they do. We do not all have the same views and arguments and I know a lot of LDS who hold church backed views but couldn't argue there way out of a paper bag. I can't see how our presence can stagnate discussion.
Many others have commented on "the subtle LDS references and nudges that only the initiated "get"". I definitely felt this way when I joined Hatrack and it had nothing to do with the LDS - it was because "Jatqueros" (as an example) have them - a lot - it probably seemed more intense to me because I'd never frequented any other forum before. As said by lots of others this happens when any group of people become close whether the connection is Religion, a forum, a similar hobby, school, country, love of certain author. It's part of life to cope with it surely.
quote: And I think that Home Teachers would be more effective if dubbed "Apostacy Avengers" and fitted with spandex and capes.
There's also been a lot of response to the comments about "certain rites" being "more destructive then any good that comes out of it". You've obviously heard our explanations about Temple work being sacred and disregard our beliefs because you don't agree with them so there's no point in going over that. I know you tried to clarify your statement by saying it doesn't matter why we do it but why people think we do it. But we don't change church doctrines so other people will be happy with us - we believe we're obeying a commandment from God. Just as our doctrines on marriage or homosexuality aren't going to change even if they're not popular. We're not vying for popularity - we just want to live our beliefs - and we allow others to do the same.
I've only had time to read up to page 3 but must go to bed.
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I was thinking about a couple areas where non-Mormons might feel excluded in the real world.
Weddings - Before Hatrack, I was under the belief that non-Mormons could not attend Mormon wedding ceremonies. That used to bug me. Not much, since at the time I didn't have any good friends who were Mormons whose wedding I would be getting excluded from.
I could still be mistaken, but aren't Temple marriages a very small affair and very few people, Mormon or non-Mormon are allowed to attend? Then you have a larger ceremony where everyone is invited?
Funerals - I went to a funeral years ago for the wife of a coworker, but wasn't allowed into the inner room where the casket was. I didn't really know her well and I was there primarily for my coworker, so it didn't bother me. But it would if it had been a good friend. Am I remembering this wrong? What is the policy regarding funeral services?
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We only have one "ceremony" when a couple is married in the temple, and that takes place in the temple. It is customary to have a wedding reception later that day, but there is no ceremony involved.
You are correct that many Mormons do not get invited to the sealing ceremony.
For funerals, it is customary to have a small, intimate viewing of the body for the family. There is no ceremony. If you were a very close friend, a member of the family might invite you to that private viewing. But maybe not. That's just up to the family.
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Well, this thread has had an effect on me. On another thread, somebody brought up something about Utah culture. I felt like starting a new thread on a tangent of it, but then I thought "Oh. Maybe this topic is too mormony. I guess I'd better not post it." So I didn't. And I was sad. Posts: 16551 | Registered: Feb 2003
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As to your thread idea, as a non-Mormon, I would still be interested in seeing where it goes. I don't think it's too Mormony.
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