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punwit
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Oooh, ooh, I forgot a favorite one. How about Flowers For Algernon. Not hard Sci-Fi I know but what else would it be classified as?
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I still refer to that Novel when talking about Alzheimers.

A great novel. [Big Grin]

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Obviously I'm a Sci-fi whore. I spread my affection indiscriminately but I just thought of another classic, Harlan Ellison's A Boy and His Dog
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And one of my favorite movies.

"She had good taste." [Big Grin]

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Well, Speakder for the Dead is my favorite book in the world. But, for argument sake, I throw these four books into the ring:

1. Stranger in a Strange Land
2. Slaughterhouse Five
3. A Clockwork Orange
4. The Stand

If I can only nominate one, I'll go with Stranger, since it has the most "science" out of the bunch. [Smile]

[ August 11, 2004, 06:59 PM: Message edited by: Beren One Hand ]

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Can we anti-nominate a book?
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Erik Slaine
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I don't see why not. Not that it will affect anything at all, but it's a free country.
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All wrong:

"The Stars My Destination", by Alfred Bester

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Alfred Bester -- wasn't he the Psi-Cop on B5?
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I'll second The Stars My Destination.

You know, I don't think I've ever gone to more trouble to aquire a book than I did that one. I searched for an affordable copy of it for years, back before the Internet made it easy to do something like that. Honestly I was more than a little disappointed when I finally got to read it, but it wasn't because of any failing of the book itself--I'd just built it up past any possible level of achievable greatness in the years I spent searching for it.

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"A Canticle for Leibowitz"
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*seconds Flowers for Algernon*
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quote:
quote:

Kibitzing is also used as friendly banter in gaming

And here I thought it meant living on a communal farm in Israel! [Wink]
*laughs* No, that would be kibbutzing. [Wink] To kibitz is to heckle or chide, and can be used both to indicate snide or bantering tone.

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It's the influence of the fair rivka, I tell you!
What did I do now?
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mr_porteiro_head
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I second "A Canticle for Leibowitz" and "I, Robot".
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[ROFL] Yeah, that's why I put the winking smiley--I was afraid that someone would take me seriously.

I was also worried that someone would actually think that I liked Battlefield Earth, but happily that comment seems to have been either overlooked or taken in the spirit in which it was intended.

[ August 11, 2004, 11:55 PM: Message edited by: Noemon ]

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I actually thought you were serious about the book. But everyone is allowed to be totally wrong on occasion. [Wink]
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Speaker for the Dead.

Non-Orson material: Not sure if it counts but I LOVED "Darwin's Radio," (hated the sequel) and I loved Dan Simmons' "Hyperion" series.

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I second Flowers for Algernon and Brave New World.
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Noemon
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Really rivka? Just for the record, I think that Battlefield Earth may be the *very* worst SF novel I've ever had the unfortunate expereince of reading. It is horribly, horribly bad.
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Alfred Bester -- wasn't he the Psi-Cop on B5?
I just figured it out! Alfred Bester was a Psi-Cop on Babylon 5. But first, a more different Alfred Bester wrote The Demolished Man, a book which was obviously the template for Babylon5's telepaths.

I'm not going to nominate it for best novel, but I highly recommend The Demolished Man by Alfred Bester, written in 1953.

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Also, I nominate Where Late the Sweet Birds Sang by Kate Wilhelm.

Oh -- also Red Mars.

[ August 12, 2004, 10:48 AM: Message edited by: mr_porteiro_head ]

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Noem, I haven't read it, but I've heard enough about it to be glad of the fact. [Wink] But I do know at least a person or two who have affection for the book. [Dont Know]
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I read the first 1/4 of the book, and it seemed OK...

But I got distracted and never got back to it, so it could have been that great...

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I've always been a sucker for the whole "humanity pulling itself up from the ashes" subgenre, so I was really predisposed to like this book. It's been over a decade since I've read it, so the details are pretty fuzzy for me at this point, but I remember that among other problems, the book had the most poorly drawn aliens I've ever seen.
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What do you mean? John Travolta is a decent-looking guy. [Dont Know]
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Noemon
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[Laugh] porter
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Hey Beren, I'll second Slaughterhouse 5, if you second Cat's Cradle!

-Bok

[ August 12, 2004, 11:22 AM: Message edited by: Bokonon ]

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Erik Slaine
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Bumpdated.
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Am I the only CJ Cherryh fan?
I'll nominate Cyteen.

[ August 12, 2004, 12:21 PM: Message edited by: Vera ]

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I second Kiln People.
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I read Battlefield Earth about a quarter century ago and don't remember many details other than the fact that it was gigantic. I don't think I would call it the worst I've ever read but I concur that it doesn't belong on a list of best Sci-fi novel ever.

[ August 12, 2004, 12:45 PM: Message edited by: punwit ]

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Noemon
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What would you call the worst, punwit?
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It's hard to say what the worst is -- bad books just don't stick in your brain the way good ones do.

I've read some stinkers in my day, but I cannot bring any to mind right now.

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I'll second "Where Late the Sweet Birds Sang." I don't think it will win, but darn that was a good book.

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The Martian Chronicles by Bradbury.

[Smile]

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I've had books I just couldn't finish. Those are the ones I would slap "the worst" appellation on. While I don't remember much of the story simply the fact that I was able to digest the whole thing removes it from my "worst" list.
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I read a book that was called Guerilla something, that was sooooo bad that I knew I'll never read anything (SF) worse than that. Up to now, it proved true...
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Wasn't it though, SO? I love that book.
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Hey Beren, I'll second Slaughterhouse 5, if you second Cat's Cradle!

Done my friend.

I Beren One Hand, hereby second Cat's Cradle... so on and so forth. [Smile]

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I hereby nominate Kilgore Trout's Mouth Hungry.
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The Worthing Saga
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I second Slaughterhouse 5!

[Smile]

-Bok

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[Big Grin]
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It's funny though--it was a tough book to find. Somehow it was in the erotica section of a sleazy used bookstore.

Or...so I'm told. By...by the guy who sold it to me at the...uh...church booksale. Yeah, that's the ticket, the church booksale. All the proceeds went to, um, orphans. Or something. Yeah. Well,

::clears throat, cocks head, pretends to hear someone calling::

What? Oh! Okay, I'm coming!

Listen, gotta run. Anyway, you should see the cover on this thing. It's something else.

Bye!

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Ali was the Greatest. We all know that. And, I can't pop a single memory of an SF novel about the guy (even loosely analogistic) out of my memory stacks...

If there were, that would get my vote.

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Dune.
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Okay, one day and a weird virus later, the nominations are officially closed.

I will compile results and post them Here:

Sakeriver Nomination Results

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Noemon
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[Frown] Nobody seconded Mouth Hungry. Do none of you recognize good SF when you see it?

[Edited to say "Oh, the humanity"]

[ August 13, 2004, 11:40 AM: Message edited by: Noemon ]

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Updated list now available on sakeriver. [Big Grin]

Thanks Hatrack!

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If the nominations were still open I would nominate the entire War Against the Chtorr series by David Gerrold. Specifically, A Matter for Men and A Season for Slaughter.

And I really liked Battlefield Earth. Definitely not greatest of all time, but certainly up in the top 100.

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