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Hobbes
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I'm holding with the Ohio, Florida for Bush, and I'm going to step out on a limb here and call Colorado for Bush as well.

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Fox just gave AZ to Bush.
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Another resummarizing of CNN just for convenience.

Summary from CNN.com:

270 electoral votes required to win.

GW Bush -- 234 total
Alabama 9
Arizona 10
Arkansas 6
Florida 27
Georgia 15
Idaho 4
Indiana 11
Kansas 6
Kentucky 8
Louisiana 9
Mississippi 6
Missouri 11
Nebraska 5
NCarolina 15
NDakota 3
Oklahoma 7
SCarolina 8
SDakota 3
Tennessee 11
Texas 34
Utah 5
Virginia 13
WVirginia 5
Wyoming 3

J Kerry -- 188 total
California 55
Connecticut 7
Delaware 3
Dist of Col 3
Illinois 21
Maine [3?]
Maryland 10
Massachusetts 12
New Jersey 15
New York 31
Pennsylvania 21
Rhode Island 4
Vermont 3

Who is left, how much do they have, and when do the polls close (or when can the tally be expected)?

7:30pm Eastern Time
Ohio 20 *** swing state

8pm Eastern Time
Florida 27 *** swing state
New Hampshire 4
Pennsylvania 21 *** swing state

9pm Eastern Time
Arizona 10
Colorado 9
Michigan 17 *** swing state
Minnesota 10
New Mexico 5
Wisconsin 10 *** swing state

10pm Eastern Time
Iowa 7
Montana 3
Nevada 5

11pm Eastern Time
Hawaii 4
Oregon 7
Washington St 11

1am Eastern Time
Alaska 3

[ November 03, 2004, 12:20 AM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]

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Hobbes
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I don't get how NM isn't a swing state. [Confused]

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It is
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Yah, but CNN seems to think it isn't. [Dont Know]

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It's white
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NPR predicts "the Senate will remain in Republican hands."
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White? CNN's map doesn't have any white...

Florida's at 97%, 52%, 47% for Bush and Kerry respct. It looks like that call's going on my prediction too. [Big Grin] [Wink]

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Defen, yah, it sure looks that way, there seems to be little change for anyone, a very good showing if your the incumbent. :-/

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On tv CNN has white *shrugs*
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Ohh, well I don't have TV so I guess there's our problem [Wink] . I was mostly going off of Sara's list, it highlights the swing states, and it doesn't highlight NM.

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Max Burns (R-Goergia) is the first Republican incumbent to lose in the House.
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The remaining precints in florida are all teh southern democratic strongholds.

Ohio, Columbus JUST finished voting, so we wont know anyting there for a few more hours.

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I thought white on CNN map was for states not yet called. [Confused]

Sorry for the confusion, Hobbes. [Smile]

[ November 02, 2004, 11:46 PM: Message edited by: Sara Sasse ]

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The remaining precincts in Fla are mostly Democratic, but the remaining votes to be counted aren't enough to close the gap even if they ALL went Kerry. Not counting absentee ballots.

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I'm calling the election for Bush, soory everyone (myself inlcuded [Wink] ), but that's my call.

<--*Likes living on the edge*

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CNN on swing states and likely votes, as per Oct 22 article .
quote:
President Bush seems to have a lock on 176 electoral votes from twenty states:
Alabama - 9,
Alaska -3,
Arizona -10,
Georgia -15,
Idaho -4,
Indiana -10,
Kansas -6,
Kentucky -8,
Louisiana -9,
Mississippi -6,
Montana -3,
Nebraska -5,
North Dakota -3,
Oklahoma -7,
South Carolina -3,
Tennessee -11,
Texas -34,
Utah -5,
Virginia -13 and
Wyoming -3.

Senator Kerry seems to have a lock on 153 electoral votes in ten states and the District of Columbia:
California -55,
Connecticut -7,
Delaware -3,
Hawaii -4,
Illinois -21,
Maryland -10,
Massachusetts -12,
New York -31,
RI-4,
Vermont -3
and Washington, D.C. -3.

Six states with 51 electoral votes tilt toward Bush:
Arizona -6,
Colorado -9,
Missouri -11,
Nevada -5,
North Carolina -15 and
West Virginia -5.

But six states with 63 electoral votes lean toward Kerry:
Maine -3 (note that Maine apportions its four electoral votes, and one vote still appears to be up for grabs),
Michigan -17,
Minnesota -10,
New Jersey -15,
Oregon -7 and
Washington -11.

Suppose all the tilting states indeed go in the direction in which they are tilting. That gives Bush/Cheney 227 electoral votes, and Kerry/Edwards 216 votes.

There are still eight true swing states. In total, they have 95 electoral votes:
Iowa -7,
Florida -27,
Maine -1,
New Hampshire -4,
New Mexico -5,
Ohio -20,
Pennsylvania -21 and
Wisconsin -10.

It is in these states that election 2004 will ultimately be resolved -- either in the voting booths, or in the courts. And note that none of these states, alone -- even Florida, with its 27 votes -- will give either candidate a win.


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For updates on three southern counties in Florida (CNN figures)...

As of 11:50 p.m. (EST)

Miami-Dade county:
96% of precincts reporting
Kerry: 369,929 (54%...no change from 10:20 p.m.)
Bush: 311,546 (46%)

Broward county:
97% of precincts reporting
Kerry: 437,741 (64%... down 1% from 10:20 p.m.)
Bush: 234,359 (35%)

Palm Beach county:
93% of precincts reporting
Kerry: 262,897 (61%)
Bush: 168,905 (39%)

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Jon Stewart put all those states together on one map, as their own big state, and called them Ohiowa. (I think)(funny whatever it was)
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I assume those counties are heavily populated? Bigguns?

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So, if the non-dead-heat states go as expected, Bush/Cheney will have 227 electoral votes, and Kerry/Edwards 216.

Under those assumptions, Bush will need 43 more and Kerry will need 54.

The dead-heaters (coming in to the race):
Iowa -7,
Florida -27, (likely Bush?)
Maine -1, (likely Bush?)
New Hampshire -4,
New Mexico -5,
Ohio -20,
Pennsylvania -21 (went to Kerry)
Wisconsin -10.

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Kerry's lead in New Hampshire has steadily increased from 6,000 to 8,000 over the past 2 hours. 3/4 of the votes are in.
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Florida is a sure thing, my Ohio prediction is looking better now, a 4 percent spread with 70% reporting (still not anything like sure of course, but I'm keeping my prediction). Colorado is also going Bush it appears.

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Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, and New Hampshire, look like they will go Kerry.

Colorado, New Mexico, Florida, look like they will go Bush

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BBC is now projecting:

Bush 238
Kerry 188

with 38 of 51 states called

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Michigan is darn close, I almosst called it for Kerry but it's a 3% spread with 40% reporting.

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Urban areas with dense populations tend to both go Democratic and take the longest to count. That is one of the reasons that early results tend to look more Republican than later. (We are seeing the effect of this, e.g., in Milwaukee.)
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msNBC is calling Wash state for Kerry, but that was not unexpected.
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Kerry could gain another 100,000 votes in heavily democratic Cuyahoga county, Ohio. Still another 33% votes untallied.
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Michigan is close... but wayne county is going 3-1 for Kerry, and less then half done. Kerry will pick up another 100-150k votes on Bush just in that county.
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Wash, really? I mean I think so too, but at 5% spread with only 12% reporting it seems a little early for MSNBC to call it.

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Heck, Fox's website called Washington State at 11:01 p.m. for Kerry. Yet strangely, they have yet to call Cali for him.
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Their models are also based on county. 5% spread, if its in counties that are more republican then other counties, means its locked up for kerry.
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CNN now has Ohio at 51 Bush and 49 Kerry at 74% reporting. The urban areas are coming in.

Columbus - Franklin Co (53 Kerry, 47 Bush, with 91% reported)
Cincinnati - Hamilton Co (51 Kerry, 49 Bush, with 31% reported)
Cleveland - Cuyahoga Co (63 Kerry, 37 Bush, with 67% reported)
Toledo - Lucas Co (62 Kerry, 38 Bush, with 76% reported)

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I'm giving all of Maine to Kerry.

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OR goes under Kerry's position in my call.

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CNN gave Florida to Bush. 234-188
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I'm calling wisconsin and new hampshire for kerry.
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3% spread at Ohio, 76% reporting, I'm staying firm. [Razz]

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It looks like Colorado is becoming a sure thing, becoming, not is, but my call stays firm there too.

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I'm calling New Hampshire for Kerry. The spread's increased to 8,838 votes.

I'll give Maine's final vote to Kerry, too.

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CNN: 234 to 188

msNBC: 207 to 206

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Looks to me like Bush is pulling ahead in Ohio. 52-48.

Does anyone else find it funny that Nader is really crapping out in this?

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Lot of Bush precincts outstanding in Wisconsin. Maybe not enough to close the lead, but it's not safe Kerry yet.

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Yah, Ohio's moving out to 4% spread, still at 76% reporting.

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CNN anchor is getting punchy...
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Dagonee-
It doesn't matter. Milwaukee still hasn't finished counting, nor has madison. Kerry's got it locked up, unless something WEIRD happens.

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I'm giving MN to Kerry too.

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Looks like Kerry needs 55.1% of the remaining vote in Ohio to carry it.
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