quote: Ever notice that when a baby is born on some sitcoms 3 or 4 episodes later it's suddenly a fully grown wise cracking child? Worse of all, THE OTHER SIBLINGS HAVEN'T EVEN AGED! Do they HONESTLY think we're stupid or something? Like we're not going to notice this? They did it on Growing Pains, Fresh Prince
The first episode when Nicky magically grew up on Fresh Prince was also the first episode with the new woman playing Vivian, but they made a joke out of it on the show. When Nicky first walks on screen, Jazz says something like "Who was that?"
Will - "That's little Nicky."
Jazz - "He sure grew up fast. And what happened to the other woman who played the mother?"
That's paraphrased, but it was still hilarious.
As far as personal pet peeves go, I hate it when I read books and then movies change them so dramatically you can barely tell it's the same movie. Sum of All Fears is a good example. They erased a good 80% of the book, and changed the other 20% entirely. I won't go into all the details, they are too numerous. But I hate the characterization of Clark, I don't like that Ryan is younger and not married yet, especially when he is supposed to have multiple kids at that point. I don't like all the details they leave out, I don't like how they change his position in the CIA and evaporate the role the FBI played. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
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One thing that's always bugged me about the various Treks is that no one on the bridge ever takes any initiative. They just stand there intert until the captain gives a direct order to do something, even when what they're instructed to do is obvious, and something that anyone but a halfwit would have been doing already.
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I started watching because of Spike so don't feel bad.
I also think that Angel looked better older and chunkier. David Boreanaz is just one of those men who took a long time to 'fill out', I think. My husband's one of those men, too (and boy is he purty now! ). Another one: John Travolta. Did you know he's fifty years old?
Another Star Trek problem is, of course, the com badge. Turn it on, but not off? Turn it off? Sometimes yes, sometimes no?
Ophelia, I'm the same way! Close the damned door! Drives me nuts. Especially when it's a 120 outside, or 5 below. All I can do is sit there and think about how rude they are being. Do they not know how much electric bills are? All that air conditioning/heat flying out the door. It's seriously the only thing I can think about. This is why I usually don't remember much about movies. I obsess over trivial details and then have to ask my husband what happened.
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quote: Like Gilligan's Island. There's no point, all the episodes are alike, they are still stuck on that island because of that stupid twerp Gilligan.
This didn't bother me too much in Gilligan's Island, but it bugged me to no end in Scooby Doo. I am still really ticked off that it has become "trendy" to dig Scooby Doo. *barfy smilie*
quote: "Get down here? I'm the freaking captain. If you can't explain over the radio, haul your enlarged carcass to the bridge and give me details."
quote:One thing that's always bugged me about the various Treks is that no one on the bridge ever takes any initiative. They just stand there intert until the captain gives a direct order to do something, even when what they're instructed to do is obvious, and something that anyone but a halfwit would have been doing already.
For example....?
That reminds me of my History professor's lecture from earlier tonight. He was talking about universal truths and universal ideas and he used the episode "Darmok" where Picard is beamed down to a planet's surface with the Captain of a Tamarian vessel. The Tamarian's words are translated into English, but it sounds like gibberish because he speaks by making allusions to some ancient mythology "Darmok and Tamal on the river, Darmok at Tanagra." So Picard has no idea what he is talking about, but ends up using the Epic of Gilgamesh as his own form of communication. Thus two people who don't speak a common language can communicate through a universal truth. Just thought that was a funny reference for a Prof to make.
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I love that episode of ST:NG I should watch it again one day.
I used to like Scooby Doo when I was a kid and did not know better, same with Thundercats. Now... Dippiness factors through the roof! I hate cartoons when the bad guy makes these ridiculous plans to get rid of the good guy that never work, that are designed to fail. I also hate how on Thundercats Lion-O grew up but Wilykit and kat didn't. What the heck is up with that? I could see if they were babies or something and they had to put them in the little pod thing as infants then suddenly they were children, but to not grow up at all? Lame. Extraordinarily lame. Then you have stuff like Sailor Moon. The whole thing could be condensed into just a few episodes. Instead of SM just using her huge mighty big mega attack power as soon as the bad guy appears she waits until the last possible minute after everyone else has used their attacks. While they are all doing some smashing work she just freaks out and runs around acting silly. Yet, Sailor Moon is still a bit amusing.
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I'm heterosexual too ... although given my dating drought in the last two months I think I should keep my options open.
For my personal enjoyment, this is the list of the hottest people in the Whedonverse (in order of hotness):
Inara (squared) Daddy Angel Electric Girl from Angel High School Cordy Grunge Wesley Captain "Tight Pants" Reynolds Kaylee Darla Buffy Charles "I am Denzel" Gunn Mrs. Reynolds Blue Fred
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Lyrhawn--no specific example is leaping to mind, but it happened all the time. I think I noticed it most during Voyager. Next time I watch an episode of Trek and see this kind of thing happening I'll make note of it here (assuming that I haven't completely forgotten about this conversation ).
vwiggin, how can you not have Zoe from Firefly on that list?
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Doh! That's right! That woman has the sexiest legs this side of (lewd Chinese words). Well, as punishment I think I have to watch the entire Firefly DVD set again. Yup, I think that's fair.
Kayla, my names may change but my hotness remain the same.
Dags, don't forget to buy me something nice from Amazon.
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As long as we're complaining about Trek, the thing that always bothered me the most is: someone has been called into the captain's quarters for official reasons. Either he's telling them something, or he's chewing them out, whatever. They aren't off-duty; they're there as captain and subordinate, not as friends. The person stands there until he's finished talking, then they just leave! And he doesn't even mind! Is this or is this not a military organization? I always want to scream at the TV, "HE DID NOT DISMISS YOU!"
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Lyrhawn, Inara was the first person on his list.
Another issue I have with Trek is the fact that they always send down the key people in charge of the ship on every away mission. Captain of the ship, head doctor, head science officer, chief of security--you name it, if they're vital to the survival of the ship and crew, they're going to beam planetside, and they aren't going to bother with protective suits of any kind. OSC talks about this in How to Write Science Fiction, by the way.
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I have a huge entertainment pet peeve called "Strange Days at Blake Holsey High" which is this weird "science" show with teenagers in it that comes on the Discovery Channel. They go to a boarding school that has a black hole somewhere in it. Actually, I love this show, which is why I've watched it so often and noticed all the scientific inconsistencies.
There was an episode on NBC Saturday morning in which one of the main characters (Marshall) writes a horoscope column for his school newspaper, and the next day everything begins to come true. Now, this show is "scientific" so there has to be a logical explanation for everything. They find one, of course. Apparently, the bell curve on a hand-out the science teacher gave Marshall got turned upside down, so now things which were once highly unlikely to occur (such as Marshall being psychic) have become highly likely to happen. At this point one must ask oneself, how did the bell curve get turned upside down, and more importantly, how would a representation of the bell curve effect the people around it? It's just a drawing, right? Well, the highly scientific answer to this is "we have a black hole!" (I'm not even going to address the "fact" of a black hole occuring inside a school.)
Anyway, Marshall apparently predicted that a member of the science club would die (this was a typo, he meant to type diet) so the science club kids all begin to meet with near-fatal accidents. They reckon that each time someone almost dies, he's in the clear because the odds of someone being in a serious accident twice in a row are astronomical.
Um, hello? The bell curve is upside down. If the odds are against it, that means it's more likely to happen, right? Whatever.
I guess what bugs me the most about the show is that they seem like they are honestly trying to bill themselves as a show that teaches science to teenagers.
There are many episodes like this:
In an episode about cloning, the teacher explains pretty thoroughly how it would be possible to clone a human. He uses scientific jargon and sounds like he knows what he's talking about. Next thing you know, one of the science club kids gets "cloned" and the clone develops in, like, twelve hours and hatches from a giant egg. ARGH.
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Teshi, he lists it as one of the *many* things he finds objectionable about Trek. He says, and I agree, that it would be much more realistic and interesting to have a Trek where the main characters were all members of a dedicated away team that always worked together. He points out that in additon to resolving the silliness inherent in having all the most important people run off the risk their lives at the drop of a hat, there could be great dramatic tension between the head of the away team and the captain and general command structure of the ship.
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Sorry I missed Inara on the list, sometimes I forget how to read.
Back on Star Trek though, the main cast is already comprised of something like eight people. You don't think it would be even more silly for then to add ten more in to do all those away mission, escorting dignitaries, so on and so forth? Chief O'Brian actually got stuck with most of that until they made him a main character and eventually shipped him off to Deep Space Nine. Either way though, it'd be twice as silly to have a cast with 18 main characters, just so the "reality" of science fiction can be achieved.
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quote:You don't think it would be even more silly for then to add ten more in to do all those away mission, escorting dignitaries, so on and so forth?
One of my favorite things about watching old ST:TNG is seeing actors that I now know playing disposable ensigns. I've seen Lyta Alexander, G'Kar (he wasn't disposable), the theif chick on Crusade, and the Lois half of Lois and Clark on ST:TNG.
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quote:I loved that book! It made me giggle every time he ripped on Trek.
Me too! Giggles punctuated by shouts of "Yeah!" and "I've always thought that!"
Lyrhawn, I do that too (the forgetting to read thing).
I wouldn't have a huge 18 character cast of major characters--I'd have the captain, chief security officer, chief medical officer, and the like be fairly peripheral characters, with the main characters being the members of the away team.
I would call this show Star Trek: Away Team, by the way. Original, aren't I?
By the way, don't get me wrong--I love the various iterations of Trek, with DS9 being far and away my favorite. My wife and I argue about this, actually, as she much prefers Voyager (well, after they introduced 7 of 9, anyway). I enjoy the shows quite a bit, but I'm not blind to what I see as their flaws either.
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Yeah, with space battles being basically an afterthought with Trek, and most of the story about interaction with aliens, the away team as the focus would make a lot more sense.
Even Battlestar Galactica got that mostly right, as did Space: Above and Beyond (although using pilots for ground missions was a pretty big plot hole in that one).
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Another thing that bothers me about Trek, but that it certainly isn't alone in, is the way all objects in space have the same orientation. All ships and stuff share the same "up".
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quote:Sorry I missed Inara on the list, sometimes I forget how to read.
She's so hot, I'd list her twice.
One of my favorite TNG episodes was about four ensigns dealing with their possible promotions. One of them worked for Dr. Crusher, one was a younger version of Riker, one was given an unfair evaluation by Picard, and one was a Vulcan who kept bugging La Forge about making Engineering more "efficient."
I really enjoyed seeing Enterprise through their eyes.
quote: Another thing that bothers me about Trek, but that it certainly isn't alone in, is the way all objects in space have the same orientation. All ships and stuff share the same "up".
This always bugged me too, and it's one of the few things that I consistantly dislike (most things I can overlook)
Even after huge disasterous battles all ships still have the same up. It's like they're all one one single plane or something.
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Ender is a literary character from a Literary 'Verse and they are always superior to TV and movie 'Verses.
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I don't watch Star Trek - any of them - and one of the many reasons is the terrible, terrible wardrobe. Why oh why do they have to wear such hideous jumpsuits?
Before everyone jumps all over me, I am married to a big ST fan.
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quote:How about hearing gun/phaser/torpedo fire through the vacuum of space?
That never bugged me, because the launch can be heard in the firing ship and the impact can be heard in the target ship. I just never imagined the microphone being where the camera is.
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Well, I mean, what's with the music playing in the background, hm? That's so not real- no one really has a soundtrack, especially one that swells in accordance with the action of the story line. So of course any show with music is totally unrealistic.
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Sound track I hated the old Star Trek uniforms. They looked so stupid. Like pajams. I like the ST: TNG uniforms better. In fact, Star Trek the Next Generation is sooooooo much better than the original one. The original one was dippy and filled with people with bad hair. Plus William Shatner really talks like that! With the pauses and stuff! But, Twilight Zone was better than the Original SG. Deep Space Nine was really good. Odo was my favourite and they did a rather nice lesbian alternative universe story. Sadly, they got rid of the first dax. She was a babe! But, then again, so was the second Dax. She was cute in a clumsy, awkward sweet way. Voyager started off good because it had Kes and I liked her, but they got rid of her for 7 of 9 and she was not as cool! Then it became Sex in Space. Everyone kept playing musical beds all the time. That made the show terrible!
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While watching Alias last night, I realized that Jack Bristow is everything that they wanted Odo to be, only better.
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Huh! That's funny Porter! I wish they'd done either that one or the Sulu one. Either would have been cool.
I wonder if they've ever considered doing a sitcom? Say, Quark's Place or something*.
*Just to clarify, I'm not saying this would be a good idea. I think it'd be a train wreck. I just wonder if they've ever considered it.
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They probably have, now that Gene's been gone for a while. Heck, that academy show idea sounds like it was halfway there. Posts: 5422 | Registered: Dec 2001
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quote: Two Cardassians, a Ferrengi, and a Pizza Place
Priceless!!! I love it
There's tons of parody shows you could do. The Fresh Prince of Risa. Poor boy from New Sydney on the moon is sent to live with his aunt and uncle on Risa.
I REALLY like the idea of Star Trek: Away Team. We should create one of those online petitions and send it to UPN.
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