Kosher gelatin contains no animal products, so it is vegan.
(I'm sort of surprised rivka didn't point this out. )
It doesn't jell quite as hard as animal gelatin, but it works in recipes calling for gelatin.
HALAL: Just for the record, I think that anything that is kosher would also qualify as Halal, though the opposite is not true. At least, I have had friends who observed Halal who bought meat in the kosher butcher when Halal was not available.
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Dag, I can't tell if you are being facetious or serious.
I have never seen a kosher gelatin made from animal products - and you can tell the difference cause it doesn't gel exactly the same as animal gelatin - it's softer and doesn't get a skin on it, like animal gelatins will if they are left for a couple days.
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As to the slashes, they are only showing up right after the recipe is saved - if you click on it later, the / isn't there. I just need to go in and debug it at some point, but since it's not permanent it's a low priority right now.
No to the second question. That's not a feature I've had time to add. Just put it in the description, and I'll make categories when we get enough entries.
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I'm not criticizing, Dag, by the way. I am in awe of you for doing all this. I am just totally inept at stuff like this, as I said before.
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Let me be sure I'm understanding this: is there a recipe you've already entered with a slash in the title that is still showing up? If so, let me know which one. Maybe the bug is worse than I thought.
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No, no, you're right, it only showed up a couple of times, I don't see it now. It does need a category, that's all. Posts: 21182 | Registered: Sep 2004
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OK, good. I like to hear about the problems. It means people are using it and care enough to see it fixed. It also allows me to fix the bugs.
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Yeah, its a great site. I'll be throwing more recipes up there when I dig up my actual recipes, rather then "Oh, this would go well with that and maybe if I do... hrm... interesting" recipes.
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I have more favorites and specialties; I either have to dig up a recipe or quantify them, then they'll be posted. Annie's look yummier than mine, though.
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quote: HALAL: Just for the record, I think that anything that is kosher would also qualify as Halal, though the opposite is not true. At least, I have had friends who observed Halal who bought meat in the kosher butcher when Halal was not available.
It may be that those Muslims were more relaxed about Halal, but it doesn't make it true. Fahim said that he cannot eat kosher meat.
For chicken or beef or other animal products to be halal, they must be ritually slaughtered in a specific way and a prayer to Allah be said over them. The Jewish ritual isn't the same.
As mentioned by Rivka, alcohol is not halal.
I don't know the extent of Jewish law, but Muslims also cannot eat anything amphibious - no crocodiles, alligators, snake, crab.
But as far as recipes are concerned, like I've said before, I know how to make sure my ingredients are Halal, so it doesn't matter if they're labelled Halal or not.
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By "amphibious" you mean things that live on land and water, not the formal biological definition of "amphibian," right?
When I get the popup descriptions working, I'm going to ask you and rivka to "approve" wording for your respective categories - just general guidelines for people who don't follow the special diets to mark their recipes for you.
quote: For chicken or beef or other animal products to be halal, they must be ritually slaughtered in a specific way and a prayer to Allah be said over them. The Jewish ritual isn't the same.
Very interesting, quid! The Muslims I've discussed this with in the past would accept kosher-slaughtered meat when halal-slaughtered was not available.
They must've been Conservative.
As far as amphibious, there are no such critters that meet kosher guidelines.
Dags, the veal scallopini looks divine, but it calls for feta cheese . . . that would make it quite non-kosher. Well, there's probably soy feta, but even I am unlikely to try that. *shudder*
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Rivka, it's adaptable by leaving the cheese out - it's added at the table, so I thought that was OK.
It is good, though. If you have vegetable stock, I'd suggest you make the spinach without meat and try the feta cheese. It gets just melty enough that it holds its shape and then disolves into gooey blobs in your mouth.
quote: it's added at the table, so I thought that was OK.
Do you mean because it's not actually cooked together? Because that wouldn't actually help.
I have LOTS of vegetable stock (I buy it every time Imagine's goes on sale), so I may try the spinach and feta -- or I may just try the veal and spinach.
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I was thinking of adding a suggested meal feature that would let you assemble multiple recipes into a single meal, but that will have to wait. In the meantime, though, we can put "goes well with" notes in the description, and even link to the related recipes with UBB code.
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Rivka, while we're talking about kosher, can you tell me about rules for serving kosher food? Disposable dishes and silverware, right? I don't quite remember (it's been a long time since I cooked kosher, when this was all explained to me). I'm sure I'll be able to get kosher food for DallasCon, since the meals we eat together will all be buffet-style anyway, but I'd like to know what I have to do to make sure it stays kosher once it's bought.
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quote: By "amphibious" you mean things that live on land and water, not the formal biological definition of "amphibian," right?
No idea. I was quoting Fahim, and he's busy being stressed out working, so I can't exactly ask him right now if I don't want the evil eye.
quote: Maybe they just didn't have access to Halal meat in the US and didn't want to give up meat altogether. As far as I know, they were pretty religious.
That's possible. When Fahim lived in the US, he couldn't get Halal meat in his area either, so he mainly ate fish and eggs, which are always Halal.
I think it's a little like Buddhism. The strict adherents to Buddhism are supposed to be vegetarians, but there are a lot of Buddhists in this country who eat fish and chicken. They find a way of justifying it even though it's actually against their religion. Well, it's obviously not against their personal religious beliefs, just the religion as a whole. If that makes sense.
Islam is not an organized religion in the same sense that Catholocism or Mormonism or most Christian religions are. There's no requirement to be a member of a specific congregation, and Imams can preach things that are against the views of other Imams. There's no head of the Muslim religion dictating what the actual belief are. That's also why it's easy for these radical splinter groups to form. There's no one in authority - what they would recognize as authority - telling them they're wrong.
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There are 5 Halal butchers in my area (that I know of). Your friends should move to Dallas, Rivka. Posts: 21182 | Registered: Sep 2004
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Oh, there are lots of halal butchers in L.A.! I believe we have a larger Muslim population than almost any other American city. (For the same reason we get lots of Israelis -- similar climate.)
These are online friends, actually. And the conversation(s) was a while back . . . not even 100% sure which forum it was.
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I figure we'll let people fend for themselves for breakfast (possibly provided by the hotel anyway for people other than you), have lunch together, maybe one communal dinner (possibly on Sunday, paid for in advance and the money given to someone who will drive and get food for all of us or something so LDSers and other Sunday Sabbath-keepers don't feel bad about buying food on Sunday? I haven't worked that out). What about kosher take-out? Do we just keep the take-out containers closed until we get it there? Is my word that it's from a restaurant certified kosher by the local authority good enough for you? Posts: 21182 | Registered: Sep 2004
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Fahim lived in the east - Michigan and Georgia. Might also have been a small community. Bigger centres usually means it's easier to find Halal.
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quote: What about kosher take-out? Do we just keep the take-out containers closed until we get it there?
Sealed containers are good, and most kosher restaurants will happily seal them -- generally with stickers with the place's name and phone number. (Works well for advertising too.)
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quote:Ela, I think real gelatin (marshmallows! jello that really jiggles! gummi candy!) is wonderful stuff. S'ok if you don't like it -- more for me!
Enjoy, Rivka.
What I really can't stand is the way real gelatin gets this tough skin on it after it's in the fridge a couple days. Yuck!
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I don't make jello all that often. But when I do, it doesn't sit in the fridge for days -- it gets eaten! Posts: 32919 | Registered: Mar 2003
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Since I only make jello when someone's on a clear liquids or BRAT diet, unless it's a jello salad, I'd agree with that, Rivka. Posts: 21182 | Registered: Sep 2004
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One more thing, Rivka: if we wanted to have, say, a make your own sandwich thing, and we wanted to have both cheese and meat available, both of which are kosher on their own but not together, how much would we need to separate dairy from meat to keep it kosher? Just not in the same container, or not on the same table, or different sides of the room, or what?
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Ok, here's the thing with something like that. Separate (nearby) tables would be fine . . . except for the human issues. That is, people who are unaccustomed to keeping kosher will tend to forget that the fork they just used to serve the salami shouldn't then be used on the cheddar (leaving small bits of salami behind).
Additionally, both kosher meat and kosher cheese are substantially more expensive than their non-kosher counterparts. So doing that sort of buffet with kosher meat and cheese would be (financially) unfair to everyone who doesn't keep kosher, and make me a bit uncomfortable as well.
While I really appreciate the thought, it might make more sense for me to just get my food separately. It worked out fine at Kamacon. (Helped quite a bit by the fact that AJ ( ) got many of the on-the-side items (chips, muffins, soda) that were kosher. But that might be easier in Chicago than in Dallas.)
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Since I'm planning on getting this stuff from Albertson's, it wouldn't be any more expensive than getting it from a non-kosher Albertson's deli. I was planning on doing something like this for lunch to begin with; it just makes it easier if everyone only has to fend for themselves for dinner, in my mind.
And besides, we're getting a mega-refund from the IRS this year. Hooray for EIC!!!
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Albertson's prices for kosher deli and cheese are the same as for non-kosher? *jawdrop*
That's it. I'm moving!
Ok, then probably the simplest thing is just for me to take first, and then let y'all do whatever you want. That seem reasonable?
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I've been to that Albertson's; they even out the prices by raising the price slightly at each Albertson's in the area instead of charging way higher at one. Posts: 21182 | Registered: Sep 2004
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