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Orson Scott Card
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I'm sick of "spring forward." I never get that hour back again. I'm haggard with sleep deprivation all summer. It's the main reason the bursitis in my shoulder bothers me and it also causes me to gain weight and have itchy eyes.

So this year, I'm making a change. A drastic one. I'm setting my clocks 23 hours BACK and if the rest of the world doesn't like it, TOUGH NOOGIES!

(Actually, some of my clocks I'm only setting back eleven hours. That's the way I choose to live - on the edge.)

[ April 03, 2005, 05:05 AM: Message edited by: Orson Scott Card ]

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urbanX
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It might be easier to just move to a non daylight saving time state.
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Boris
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That would mean moving to a place like Arizona.
But I'm curious now. Are the "set back 23 hours" clocks all military style and the rest normal?

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Well they don't have to be military. Most alarm clocks(or at least mine) have a little dot that shines in the pm.
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That's the way I choose to live - on the edge.
Hahaha! That's just what I needed, a good laugh. Whoops, I think I woke my roommate up. [ROFL]
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Verily the Younger
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I hate Daylight Saving Time because it's gibberish. Especially in Alaska where the sun doesn't play by your silly Lower 48 rules anyway. I'd like to see it abolished altogether.
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Boris
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Why are we saving daylight anyway? I think we need two days every year where we just set the clock back an hour. Maybe more than two days...Maybe 12 would work well. Then we could have a full half day of extra sleep each year.
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Stan the man
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The sun should not rise until noon anyway. Screw it all. (note: Stan is not a morning person)

It can go down the same time it always would, just rise later.

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Boris
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I like that idea, Stan. In fact, I think we should draft a bill and submit it to congress.
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Stan the man
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BTW, is that time change whole clock thing happening tonight? I forget.
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Orson Scott Card
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Yes, it's tonight. Set your clock one hour later. Then, when you wake up, wonder if you already did it and then set it yet another hour ahead. Then be really early to everything.

Just another public service of Hatrack River online.

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Stan the man
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thanks, my computer automatically did it. I now have half an hour (it's 3 am where I am) to get ready for work. Good thing I write the watchbill.
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You could always move to Saskatchewan. No Daylight Savings Time there. Or Sri Lanka. None here, either. And there would be an added bonus. Well, more for me than for you, sadly enough. I'd get to pick yer brains!

Yeah, I knew it. You're never coming here, are you? [Grumble]

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Not if you're going to pick at my brains.

Yuck. [Razz]

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That was actually directed at OSC himself. You know, the master of sci-fi. I'd love to pick his brains. Well, only if it wasn't messy or grossed me out, cuz if it did, ugh! I just don't have the stomach for blood and gore. [Grumble]
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You could move to southern Indiana, where we just say to hell with the whole thing despite being smack dab in the middle of it.
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Scott R
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[Big Grin]

quote:
I never get that hour back again.
Think of it as investing an hour of your sleep time. Choose to save, and all that. I hear there's a payoff when you retire. . .

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I'm haggard with sleep deprivation all summer.
You make your own schedule. You work for yourself. Why in the WORLD are you sleep deprived? You don't even play Civ 2 anymore!

Just sleep in.

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Ahhh... I must be the only person on Earth right now who is liking this spring forward thing. I just got off work early! Hahaha! Ahhh... feels so nice. Sometimes the midnight shift really pays off.
[Smile]

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[Sleep] explains why I am so sleepy and lagurchedy.
*longs to make own schedule*

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Hey, Uncle Orson, you could also move (back?) to Indiana. We don't have daylight savings time, either. [Big Grin]
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I wouldn't move to Indiana so fast. There is a very strong likely hood that Indiana will be going on daylight savings time in the very near future. The bill has already passed through one house and is sitting in the other's rules committee in preperation for the vote. We may be going on daylight savings time as soon as 3-months from now (Although we are adamant that we don't adopt it until our Indy 500 is over. [Roll Eyes] ). Soon only Arizona will be fighting the good fight on the continental United States for keeping us lazy people from having to change our clocks.

<---Highly considering the move to Arizona upon graduation from colege.

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News Article:

Today President Bush announced his new Personal Time Accounts For Daylights Savings. The idea is that each of us really set our clocks back 55 minutes every year instead of the full hour. We then invest those extra 5 minutes in a governmentally approved time investment plan where it has been shown they earn a higher rate of time over interest.

"By the time a 20 year old today is ready to retire," said a spokesman for the president, "he will have earned and saved, on average, three and a half years."

Opposition leaders argue that such an investment scheme will increase the national time-debt to well over 2.5 centuries. "Though our President would love that" joked the Democratic Representative from Montreal. "That would put him right smack in the middle of the era of heraditary kings named George."

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Scott R
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Friggin' brilliant, Dan.
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For years, every spring Porter would grumble about Daylight Savings and threaten to "rebel" by--gasp--*not* changing our clocks! That would show 'em!

I don't like this idea because I don't do conversions well in my head. I am one of those people for whom setting the clock 5 minutes fast actually works, because whatever time the clock says, I believe it. So while *not* changing clocks with the rest of the country wouldn't make anyone outside our home suffer much, *I* would be seriously messed up. I got so tired of the yearly "rant".

So this year I was thankful that Porter went to bed early and I could change the clocks in peace. [Smile]

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Jonathan Howard
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Say thanks that we're on Earth.

On Jupiter you have no seasons.

On Venus every day is two years.

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I just got used to getting at up at 5:45 to go to the gym in the morning. It was getting easier because of the sun being up.

Aaaaargh!

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Ela
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quote:
I'm sick of "spring forward." I never get that hour back again.
It's our age. [Wink]

I hate that daylight savings time starts earlier and ends later than it did when I was a kid. (For one thing, it makes Passover seders start rediculously late at night.)

On the other hand, I love "fall behind." Ah, that extra hour of sleep.

I love sleep. [Big Grin]

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The only thing that bothers me about daylight savings time now is that it makes some of the shows I like on cable tv come on at different times. [Razz]

Otherwise, since we don't change, I have no opinion.

I do think, though, that the Indiana state government spends ENTIRELY too much energy trying to decide whether or not to have daylight savings time. [Razz]

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You can look up Sunrise-Sunset times to find out what they will be in June. For my town in Iowa, in June, the sun will rise as early as 5:38 a.m.

Without DST, that would be 4:38 a.m.

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What I think is bizarre is how when DST begins, the days are already far longer than at the time it ends. What is the sense in that? Why does it extend into October? Why not instead extend it into March? Does it have to do with farmers and crops?
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I think it must.

I have a lot of relatives in AZ, and it's always hard to remember that until now, they've been one hour behind me, but now they're two, like my relatives in CA... Argh.

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Personally, I think Indiana has the right idea.
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I think that originally daylight savings times was designed for more efficient production, which is why daylight savings time was started in world war I and, after its elimination soon after the wars end, world war II. After world war II people in the buisness sector had learned that it was a great way to increase profits; therefore it was adopted on a state-to-state basis.

As far as farmers are concerned, those in Indiana have no desire to adopt dayight savings time. They do have some justification besides being too lazy to change all their clocks twice a year. In the case of dairy farmers, cattle must be milked on a very specific schedule, and by switching to daylight savings time the farmer has to ignore the change in time as far as milking the cattle is concerned, otherwise it would be much more likely to get bad milk. I don't know why crop farmers seem to have such a islike for daylight savings time, because I thought that it was for farmers that Ben Franklin had thought up the switching of the clocks. Imust assume that they are like me, and they would much prefer to be lazy. [Razz]

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If you ever read the Anne Shirley books, it's implied in Rilla of Ingleside that the Germans originally came up with DST, and there was some opposition to adopting it, but I've never done any research to back that up because...

*whispers* I don't care.

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I couldn't agree more, adam. I think thats the secondary reason for most of the state wanting to petition the federal government to have our time zone changed to central if we are forced to adopt daylight savings time by those nasty little legislators.
[Mad]
The primary reason being that a large portion of Indiana is essentially a suburb of Chicago, and it would make more economic sense to tie our time zone with Chicago.

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For one thing, it makes Passover seders start rediculously late at night.
Ah! So fun to be in Israel.
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Well, yes, holidays occur at the right time in Israel.

So you don't sit in your sukkah in overcoats (like those in northern climates do here) or try to figure out how to install a ceiling fan in your sukkah (if you live in Florida, where it's usually uncomfortably hot and humid for Sukkot). [Razz]

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Ela, the solution to that is to move to Southern California. The temperature isn't quite right every year, but every time I was in a sukkah, it was temperate and nice. [Big Grin]
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I fear earthquakes too much to ever live in California. [Eek!]
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quote:
So this year, I'm making a change. A drastic one. I'm setting my clocks 23 hours BACK and if the rest of the world doesn't like it, TOUGH NOOGIES!

(Actually, some of my clocks I'm only setting back eleven hours. That's the way I choose to live - on the edge.)

I feel much the same way - I wasn't getting enough sleep already and now I have to go ahead and deprive myself of another hour. [Grumble]

I applaud this principled act of resistance. It makes me ashamed, because I'm wimping out on it, even though I agree.

Three of the clocks in our house I have to reset are mechanical - they have to be turned by hand via a tiny nob on the back. Bottom line - I'm too dang tired (a polite word for "lazy") to do the principled thing. Setting those clocks ahead one hour instead of back 11 is just so much faster and easier.

*hangs head in shame*

[ April 03, 2005, 12:38 PM: Message edited by: sndrake ]

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Eh, they're not as scary as hurricaines.
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Setting your clock back 23 hours, hmm? So that means you're living in the past, but getting a preview of things almost a day before they happen.

That must be useful.

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I'm just glad that my cell phone (which I use as an alarm) automatically sets the time...otherwise I would have missed church this morning. As it was, I was rather confused when I looked at my clock after I got out of the shower...as I thought I was up an hour early. I had to think about it for a while before I remembered that the government had jacked an hour from me.
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quote:
Eh, they're not as scary as hurricaines.
What, earthquakes? How could a hurricane be scarier than a massive earthquake? With a hurricane, you know it's coming. You have enough warning before it arrives that you can take shelter. Those who live in hurricane-prone areas and have the foresight to built underground shelters are safe when a hurricane blows through.

Earthquakes can strike at any time, with no warning whatsoever, and there is no shelter you can take. When the ground itself opens up to swallow houses whole, there is no safe place to be.

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quote:
How could a hurricane be scarier than a massive earthquake?
There is something spooky about seeing it coming for you a week ahead of time. Sort of like in the horror films how the bad guy chases the victims around for a while before killing them.
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I'd rather have the bad guy chasing me, so that I can at least have some time to think and maybe find a way to stop him, than to have him appear out of nowhere and slit my throat before I realize there is a bad guy.
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Exactly, Verily. [Smile]

Besides, even though the California climate might be right for Sukkot, I am willing to bet Californians still have to start Jewish holidays at inconvenient times of the day. [Wink]

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I'll tell you exactly why I don't like daylight savings time. You see, I have this strange notion that when it gets to be evening, it's supposed to get dark. But around the summer solstice, even at the mid-latitudes where I live, it doesn't get full dark until after nine p.m. That's way too late.

Now, understand, I don't like it when it gets dark at 4:30 in the afternoon around the winter solstice, either. That's too early. But after seven p.m. or so, in my universe, it's supposed to be dark. In fact, the only thing I hated about England when I was there was that, since I was there at the end of June, beginning of July, the sun didn't go down until something like ten p.m. and then it got light again around four or four-thirty a.m. That's just too much sunshine for me.

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it also causes me to gain weight
I new there had to be a reason, other then a sedentary job, Civ 3, and TV, that caused me to gain weight! [Big Grin]
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You see, I have this strange notion that when it gets to be evening, it's supposed to get dark.
That is a strange notion. A summer trip to Alaska would cure you of that. Or make your head a splode.
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I just hate the hour of sleep I lose. In Alaska the sun is always messed up, so daylight savings time does nothing. Two months ago it was pitch black till 10, and now the sun is glaring through my window at 6. I swear, we have to be getting 20 more minutess of daylight each day.
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