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mr_porteiro_head
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I think well-trimmed beards look classy.
Well, then you can go ahead and grow a classy beard yourself, honey. [Wink]
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Beards take MUCH more attention.
I disagree. My facial hair grows really fast, but I still only have to trim it every three or four days to keep it looking neat. And all that takes is a few swipes with my clippers.

I do shave about 4 square inches on my cheeks and neck daily, but that takes 30 seconds and no shaving cream, 'cause I do it when I get out of the shower.

Very low maintenance. And cheaper.

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beverly
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Hmm, that would take a heavy dose of testosterone....

I think that would be bad for the baby.

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I find that not having a beard is in many ways lower maintenance for me.

I shave in the shower by feel.

But when I have a beard, I can't do it by feel. I have to do it when I'm not in the shower, which is so much more of a hassle for me.

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...and the Best Beard award goes to..........
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If the guy is especially good looking, he can pull of just about anything
Yeah, don't fall into that trap. I saw Mr. and Mrs. Smith, and thought to myself "Brad Pitt looks good with a shaved head, I should shave my head."

In my defense, it's really hot here and I have thick hair, but the moral of the story is don't do something because it looks good on someone else. Especially when that someone else is a movie star.

*Note - I didn't actually shave my head, but I am seriously considering it, despite photographic proof that it doesn't look good on me.

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Olivetta
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I have suggested my husband try a beard after we've been on vacation and he hasn't shaved for a while. I think it looks good on him, but he said he didn't want to be "That fat guy with a beard." I don't think he's really fat, a bit over weight, yeah, but not FAT fat.

I have very long nails right now, because I won't cut them all until one breaks. I keep them even and well cared for. They're about half an inch long now. Is that freaky or not?

Anyway, trimmed and neatly edged is nice. Longish, curling facial hairs trailing down the neck into the collar or within a couple inches of the eyes is just freaky, in my experience. I admit that is probably a cultural thing, though.

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I have to say that the beard really agrees with Frisco.
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just as an especially good looking girl can pull off just about anything.
I second that. [Evil]
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If my nails are really long, it is usually due to laziness. I am *not* a manicure sort of person. When my nails are too long, they just get in the way and get broken when, you know, I actually try to use my hands for stuff.

I honestly don't know how girls put up with the claws in day to day living. I did a "girls night out" a few years back where I put on some press on nails. Just trying to get in my car and drive was a nightmare! I ripped those puppies off as soon as I could.

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:wub:
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Well, it's mostly superior genetics. [Wink] My nails are really, really strong. I use them to loosen screws when I don't have a screwdriver. I files around so I can neaten them up if they break. They actually make it easier to type on my wee laptop keyboard. I can dig a worm and feed it to my hedgehog without ever having to actually touch a worm. They are also handy when cleaning, because I used them to scrape stuff off my dishes or floors.

I wash my hands a lot, and scrub the nails, too. [Wink]

When I break a nail, I cut them all short to be even. I feel like my fingers are dumber, less nimble when they are short. I'm accustomed to using them, so when they aren't there it's weird.

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quote:
Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head:
Here you go. It's pretty big, but it shows you how slowly my facial hair grows.

Maybe that's why I don't like growing a beard -- the awkward inbetween stage lasts too long.

http://home.comcast.net/~cporter42/stubble.jpg

That's quite the smoldering gaze, Porter. You and Pat should have a male model face-off, just like in Zoolander. [Smile]
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Well. I will admit I am relatively lazy when it comes to many things. I am by no means a tidy person (I don't live in filth, or anything like that, though).

But I'm not a particularly lazy person, in general. For example, this summer I usually spend a few hours a day doing housework (after my actual job). Two days ago I painted a room, yesterday I put down tiles (cutting tiles, especially around doors, is not easy!), and today I put a new light in my basement ceiling and re-cocked around a bathtub. My point is, if you looked up Sloth in the dictionary I wouldn't be last on the list, but I certainly wouldn't be first.

I've always been of the belief that you shouldn't get a haircut (including facial hair) because someone you know thinks you don't look right. I'm not the most handsome guy - I don't think a beard changes the quality of how I look much.

Now, assuming I am wrong and I look like some West Virginian mountain man - would a messy face be enough reason to glare and turn away from me? Or to think, "Hm, looks like this student doesn't keep care of his face. I bet he doesn't know a darn thing about the Behistun Inscription of Darius."? (yes, I''m being somewhat facetious)

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quote:
Originally posted by beverly:
Hmm, that would take a heavy dose of testosterone....

I think that would be bad for the baby.

Whoa. Are you expecting? Have I missed something? Or am I just having one of those Mondays where I forget stuff and act dumb?
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You and Pat should have a male model face-off, just like in Zoolander. [Smile]
Oh! My aching sides!
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That's quite the smoldering gaze, Porter. You and Pat should have a male model face-off, just like in Zoolander. [Smile]
>.<
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Someone is paying attention!

But you didn't "miss anything" since this is the first time I've bothered to mention it.

You win the prize!

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Instead of having a face-off like in Zoolander, how about we just watch Zoolander instead?
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Everybody wins!
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*loves Zoolander*
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quote:
re-cocked around a bathtub
*bites tongue hard to keep from saying anything*
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quote:
Originally posted by Farmgirl:
*bites tongue hard to keep from saying anything*

Thank you. I suppose I should have typed that slightly differently. [Blushing]
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Count me among those that are perplexed by those that consider a beard a sign of laziness.

My facial hair grows very quickly. I would have to shave twice a day to keep it clean-shaven, but my skin is also extremely sensitive, so that's right out. I also find stubble extremely irritating and uncomfortable. It only takes me about a week to go from clean-shaven to passable beard. I find trimming the beard to be less work than shaving. (My facial hair grows in a variety of directions, so there's none of that with- or against-the-grain debate: I have to shave each area in both directions or I will have baseball-field-like patches of stubble. Especially on my neck/bottom of jaw area.) Still, I don't see it as a laziness issue considering that the hair belongs there. It is the natural way of things. Shaving it, when I choose to do so, is the affectation.

As for respect, I always feel like I've gotten more respect with the beard. The upside is that parents are less likely to challenge me with a beard; the downside is that some kids are more likely to be intimidated by me with the beard.

Being able to buy drinks at 14 was pretty cool too. [Wink]

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beards scratch.
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Icarus
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No. Stubble scratches.
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They do get softer as they grow out.

:wub:

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Kama
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okay. beard hair get in your mouth!

[Angst]

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Chungwa
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The hair on my beard isn't nearly long enough to get into my mouth.
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Kama
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i was not talking about a guy's mouth.
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Well then, Kama, you'll just have to trim your beard short enough that it doesn't get in your mouth.
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Other hair can get in your mouth too... and is far more likely to, in my experience.

[Monkeys]

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Kama
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but at least not in public places!
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I have, at one time or another, had every common beard variation and a few uncommon ones. Including: Full Beard(trimmed), Full Beard(long), Goatee, Half-Goatee(left), Half-Beard(left), Fu Manchu(proper), Fu Manchu(cheater), Soul Patch, Moustache, Pirate 'Stache.

The amount of respect each got (and deserved) varied wildly. The Half is the most fun though, for the absolutely fascinating reactions, and the fact that people can go quite a long time without actually noticing it.

--Enigmatic
(Saw Liam Neeson in Batman Begins and thought "Oh, there's a beard I haven't tried!)

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I don't like the way long nails feel. I've had short nails due to playing the guitar and when it starts growing longer, I have to cut them because it gets irritating. For me, the nails get in the way of what my fingers can do on their own.
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I can say without reservation that I have gotten just as little respect or admiration whether I was sporting a beard or not.
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Well. My old roomate (who had, and has, a very full beard) kissed me full on the lips at a convocation.

He had enough beard hairs to get some in my mouth. While the kiss wasn't erotic, it certainly wasn't entirely unpleasant.

My old girlfriend used to ask me to shave a lot. But she never mentioned anything about hair and kissing together...

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I just want to put in another vote in favor of beards -- especially well-trimmed ones.

IMO, very few men (I have met a couple) look better clean-shaven than with a beard. Also, beards are soft (or can be, if properly conditioned); stubble is nasty and scratchy.

Kama, hair in the mouth generally comes from a mustache than needs trimming. Or a beard that needs to be conditioned.

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See, now I'm jealous of y'all. I seem to be the one 18 year old in the state of Missouri who couldn't grow a beard if he wanted to. Heaven help me if I even tried.

Also, this is just curiosity--is the amount of facial hair you have genetic, or can it be a sign that something's wrong with you, or what?

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*Could* be either....

Could your father/brothers grow facial hair?

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rivka, just to add to your list, Jeff looks much better clean-shaven than with a beard. He tried several styles-- taking off more each time-- in the past week or so. I was not impressed.
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Human -- you have any Native American blood? Some tribes of Native Americans have very very little facial or body hair (like hair-clean chests), and that is genetic. I would say in most cases how easily you grow hair would be influenced greatly by genetics.

FG

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quote:
Originally posted by ketchupqueen:
rivka, just to add to your list, Jeff looks much better clean-shaven than with a beard. He tried several styles-- taking off more each time-- in the past week or so. I was not impressed.

I'm sorry, but he cannot qualify for the list unless I can see some pictures for comparison purposes.
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IIRC, many Asian races can't grow a full beard either.
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Also, some guys' beards just don't come in very well until they're older. When I was 18 I could sort of grow a beard, but if I did it was thin, scraggly, and didn't look very good. By mid-20s I'd have a thick, dark beard after only 2-3 weeks of not shaving. If you're getting any facial hair right now, there's still hope it'll be better later.

--Enigmatic

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Dude on the far right. THAT'S a beard.
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Whew! The flyaway hair just completes the look.

And the look says: "Old, crazy hermit".

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I look ridiculous with a beard. That didn't stop me from having one for a while, but it's not an experiment I'll be repeating.
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I look ridiculous with a beard, too. But I look even more ridiculous without it.

It's silly for women to complain about men's beards, when their hair - short or long - is forever getting into men's faces during moments of even relatively casual intimacy. Undelicious. And your hair tickles, too. But we men don't insist you shave your heads. We just deal with it because we love you.

And for most of human history, the razor wasn't invented; yet somehow the species managed to reproduce itself.

Still ... what the world needs is a good depilator that causes no pain, doesn't smell, and doesn't irritate the skin.

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Or maybe you deal with it because you like the look of women with hair better far better than women shorn? [Wink] Enough to put up with a bit of annoyance once in awhile.

I think if I shaved my head out of consideration for Porter's annoyance at it tickling him, he would be very, very sad indeed.

If all men have beards, and no woman knows differently, then of course they will take what is available. But you start giving 'em a choice... then you see what they really prefer.

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