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I'd go for "soft" and "hard" as terminology for lack of a better one.
(and isn't that just what's needed at the top of a page in this thread?)
I believe Biology and Astronomy would qualify as "hard" sciences because, at least according to the US tax code (at the time I went to grad school, at least, the IRS had different rules for taxing stipends depending on whether you were in a hard or soft science), the dividing line between hard and soft is somewhere smack in the middle of the larger field of "Psychology". Experimental and Cognitive Psych are "hard" sciences, "Social" and "Clinical" Psych are "soft" sciences.
So...Mucus, no problem really. I figured I knew what you meant.
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quote:Originally posted by Elizabeth: Olive, Radiohead does that to me for some reason. I am assuming it was not a good crazy?
Really? I kind of like what little Radiohead I've heard. But, yeah, not a good crazy. It makes my heart beat fast and (since I'm usually in a vehicle of some sort)it makes me want to claw at the windows and doors. Alternately, there are some of their songs without lyrics that put violent images in my head, and it feels like it would be fun to be violent. Scared the hell out of me the first time.
The nearest thing I've seen to describe it was probably the "Adam" episode of Torchwood, when Adam gave Ianto memories of killing women and enjoying it, even though he'd never done any such thing.
Pink Floyd resonates on the exact frequency of my crazy bone. O_O I have no idea how that works, but I avoid it.
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Olive, Radiohead does not give me images of ciolence, more of a strange otherworld that I wouldn;t want to be in, like Coraline's Other Mother lives in.
We went to a Pink Floyd concert once, and it was the most violent and frightening concert experience I have ever had. There was a seething anger in the stadium, a man in front of us punched his girlfriend in the face, it was just awful.
But I love Pink Floyd, just not to listen to often.
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I'm also not a huge fan of live rock concerts- they verge too far towards mass hysteria for me. It isn't too appealing.
Radiohead though, especially In Rainbows, is a fantastic band to listen to while you're driving, sitting around, on your ipod. Their earlier music was much more insistent, but recently, and especially with this album, it's much more reflective and calm. I loves it.
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quote:Originally posted by Scott R: Radiohead is not my cup of tea. I heard the lead singer on NPR's 'All Songs Considered,' and I just didn't find it very appealing.
Electronica, in all its forms, just isn't appealing to me.
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You will find their older stuff is so different from their current stuff it's almost a different band...almost.
Think The Beatles' "Happiness is a Warm Gun" Vs "Obla Di Obla Da."
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Was "Creep" Radiohead? That's the only song I've heard that I know to be theirs, and I like it. "I'm a creep, I'm a weirdo..."
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quote:Originally posted by BlackBlade: [You will find their older stuff is so different from their current stuff it's almost a different band...almost.
Think The Beatles' "Happiness is a Warm Gun" Vs "Obla Di Obla Da."
You know that those are on the same album, right? Might be better to go with "Baby's in Black" and "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" or something.
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quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: And Elizabeth, I'm not going to watch your son's video, at least in this topic, because I don't think it fits with the discussion to involve someone you know, mixing your understandably personal feelings in- I couldn't be fair to myself or you if I did talk about it. When it's someone who will be affected by what you say, and you have the potential of discouraging them from trying to do well, then you have to be more careful.
Well, first of all, it is my son' guitar video, not mine. He is a very innocent eleven, one of those boys who will mature when they are twenty. I will not share comments with him. In fact, I shield him from positive comments, because he gets overwhelmed. But I save them, for later.
I just think, even though I am the mom, that he is phenomenal. He has skills, he has passion, and he loves what he is doing. So even if you say something negative, about his timing, his this, his that, I won't really care! Don't you see? I just want you to give it a listen!
It doesn't have to be that complicated.
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quote:Originally posted by Olivet: Was "Creep" Radiohead? That's the only song I've heard that I know to be theirs, and I like it. "I'm a creep, I'm a weirdo..."
Yeah, their most commercial song. Also quite non-representative of their style. It was on their, iirc, second album, and they abhor the idea that it is so often chosen to represent them- but they have that luxury now. It's a very different band 12-15 years later.
Icky: I would suggest listening to maybe 5 more songs. It could be an acquired taste- I know I didn't always enjoy it. Now I think its the best band playing.
If I could suggest 5 songs to listen to as an introduction, though band is rangy, I will do that if you want to listen:
1. Kid A- from the Kid A album
2. Everything in it's Right Place- from Kid A
3. Paranoid Android- from Ok Computer
4. Packed Like Sardines in A Can- from Amnesiac
5. Reckoner from In Rainbows
Alternate: Listen to "Videotape" from In Rainbows, or "Exit Music for Film" from Ok computer for the softer, end of album radiohead feel- all the other songs I mentioned are headers or middlers.
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Electronica, in all its forms, just isn't appealing to me.
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Ok but radiohead doesn't fall in with the "electronica" genre that well. I wouldn't use that term to describe it. "Progressive Rock" is a term used a lot for them. They are also minimalist over the last few albums.
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I don't like Kid A. (And I think we've had this out before here, between radiohead fans...)
But Tom - Karma Police? Paranoid Android? Great songs. (And it's quite obvious OK Computer is my favourite Radiohead album).
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Creep is from Pablo Honey, which was Radiohead's first album.
Interesting picks, Orincoro. Aside from Reckoner, I wouldn't have picked those songs to introduce Icarus to Radiohead. If he were interested in hearing more, I'd probably suggest:
Planet Telex, from The Bends
Lucky, from OK Computer
Reckoner, from In Rainbows
How to Disappear Completely, from Kid A
Faust Arp, from the Com Lag EP
Of course, my favourite Radiohead album is still -- after all these years -- The Bends.
(Note: it's actually "Packd Like Sardines In A Crushd Tin Box," IIRC, though I disliked Amnesiac as a whole.)
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Twinky- your list is one of good songs, but they aren't a: representative of what I think of as the band's range, and b) all that attractive, at least to me.
Also your list doesn't represent much slow music.
also lucky is about the last song I'd recommend for a new listener, I don't even like it that much.
The fact that you dislike amnesiac is going to affect my sleep.
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quote:Originally posted by imogen: I don't like Kid A. (And I think we've had this out before here, between radiohead fans...)
But Tom - Karma Police? Paranoid Android? Great songs. (And it's quite obvious OK Computer is my favourite Radiohead album).
Seriously though, the idea of not liking Kid A. I mean i guess it's conceivably possible.. but why go through life like that?
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Thirty years from now, I'm confident that Radiohead will not be one of the bands people mention from this era. Except possibly the same way people talk about Rick Springfield nowadays.
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quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: Thirty years from now, I'm confident that Radiohead will not be one of the bands people mention from this era. Except possibly the same way people talk about Rick Springfield nowadays.
Tom, I've never disagreed with you more.
And in fact, I rarely disagree with you at all!
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quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: Thirty years from now, I'm confident that Radiohead will not be one of the bands people mention from this era. Except possibly the same way people talk about Rick Springfield nowadays.
Well I think you're wrong about that- but you have to consider that in 30 years it will be people my age talking about the music that they listened to when they were in their early 20s who will decide what to talk about, and I think you're a few years older- so the discussion you'll be having will be a different one anyway, imo. It's not really on your personal radar, but I assure it is for many people. I also think that considering that Radiohead is significantly more of a recording-oriented band, less image based, less merchandised, and less geared toward live performance, their music will have a lasting appeal to people who are looking at what makes the current artistic climate tick. What worked for the Beatles, in the long run, was their innovations in the studio, and now we pretty much dismiss the fact that they were a pop idol sensation, because they were able to rise past that short term appeal. I think, like them or not, Radiohead has a tremendous influence on the recording community (they certainly do in my music department for example, among teachers as well as students), and they've helped to popularize new creative applications for musicians both in-studio and live. Also they've had a major impact, imo, on the adoption of minimalist arrangement techniques that we're now seeing all over the place in popular music- including as a visible example, Justin Timberlake, who's really transformed his image as a musician by moving into a similar arena.
So, maybe Radiohead won't be Greenday in 30 years, maybe they'll just be The Clash, but they'll be in the discussion.
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Yeah, dude--what DO you mean about Radiohead in relation to Green Day/The Clash?
When I think of bands that will be remembered from the 90's, Nirvana and Radiohead are the first two that come to mind. I liken Radiohead to Pink Floyd, Nirvana to Led Zeppelin (in terms of comparing memorability of 70's bands)
And now that I think about it, which bands WILL be remembered from the 90's? Tastes have diversified so far in the digital music age--I don't think any one band will ever be as (synonymous?) as the Beatles, etc.
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Well, Greenday has had something like 15 number one hits, I can't find numbers anywhere for that, but it's just my guess. The Clash had none.
Fame and influence, I'm suggesting, are two different things. Green Day is imminently more famous. It's also pretty easy to say that the Clash had a wider influence in the music community, especially since they were on the vanguard of their movement, whereas Greenday formed in the late 80's when punk was pretty well established- so much so that many other bands resented their fame because they were late comers.
So your original statement was that you didn't think we'd be talking about Radiohead in 30 years. I think we will, but I think it's likely to be a conversation similar to one we might have now about The Clash- one having to do with their influence on the genre rather than their fame.
At the same time, I don't really think you're fully aware of Radiohead's popularity- especially considering that they spend a fractional amount of money in advertising compared to foreign bands of similar stature in the U.S. U2's advertising schemes are diabolical, (are they a US band or not?) and Greenday, as an example, courts the mtv crowd when Radiohead generally eschews traditional marketing, and no longer even belongs to a label.
So the fact that Radiohead was popular enough among fans and the media to make a splash in the news and quite a bit of money and critical attention for an album they produced themselves, distributing through various labels, despite it having been nearly 7 years since their most recent release, is saying alot about them. That album went to number one in the UK and the US, and was the number one album in the world at its peak position, according to Media Traffic.
So, I tend to think you underestimate their popularity.
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Ahhh. Yeah--that makes sense. I've found that Radiohead is extremely popular among other musicians, too. One thing I will recognize--is that I don't think they have memorable "hits". Their big "hits" are pretty easily forgotten in the stream of top 40 (Karma Police, Creep, High and Dry). Definitely not like the Beatles in that respect.
The Clash analogy makes a lot of sense now.
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quote:Originally posted by twinky: Creep is from Pablo Honey, which was Radiohead's first album.
Interesting picks, Orincoro. Aside from Reckoner, I wouldn't have picked those songs to introduce Icarus to Radiohead. If he were interested in hearing more, I'd probably suggest:
Planet Telex, from The Bends
Lucky, from OK Computer
Reckoner, from In Rainbows
How to Disappear Completely, from Kid A
Faust Arp, from the Com Lag EP
Of course, my favourite Radiohead album is still -- after all these years -- The Bends.
(Note: it's actually "Packd Like Sardines In A Crushd Tin Box," IIRC, though I disliked Amnesiac as a whole.)
I think Planet Telex is a bad choice from that album. For me, it's a little too inaccessible. I'd recommend something more like The Bends, Street Spirit, or Just.
quote:Twinky- your list is one of good songs, but they aren't a: representative of what I think of as the band's range, and b) all that attractive, at least to me.
Your first point is certainly true, but I know a little bit about what kinds of music Icarus likes, and I suspect he'd find my list at least palatable. I'm thinking about my hypothetical audience, whereas you're thinking about the band.
Actually, come to think of it, I think I performed Lucky unplugged at a gathering last year, and he might have been in the room when I did that.
quote:Originally posted by TomDavidson: Thirty years from now, I'm confident that Radiohead will not be one of the bands people mention from this era.
I'm curious as to why you think this? Also, I'm curious as to what it is about Radiohead that you dislike -- or what it is they lack that makes you indifferent. I don't think you're under any obligation to like Radiohead, mind you, I'm just interested.
For that matter, I'm kind of curious to hear about some band you'd just love to share. I'm always looking out for new recommendations and I'm in an exploratory mood these days.
quote:Originally posted by Orincoro: I also think that considering that Radiohead is significantly more of a recording-oriented band, less image based, less merchandised, and less geared toward live performance...
I agree that they put a lot of care, effort, and nuance into their recordings, but that isn't really what endears them to me.
In fact, since seeing Radiohead live, I hardly ever listen to the album versions of Kid A or Amnesiac songs -- I listen to the live recordings of those songs that I have from the show I attended. I think Radiohead are an incredible live band and you've really sold them short in that regard -- presumably due to not having seen them live.
Idioteque is a great example. I liked the album version -- I liked Kid A -- but the live version was really remarkable. Very different, and I liked the changes. Admittedly, I don't know that I'd like the live version to be the studio version, but I'd love a well-recorded live EP with Idioteque on it, for example.
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How cool that this is now a thread about Radiohead. I completely agree with those who say they're a great band and will have a lasting impact. It's very telling when all my musician friends rave about a band. It tells me that there's something real there that's good. That's what happened to me with Radiohead, then I listened and heard it for myself.
Since then, some time in the mid-90s, Radiohead has been a huge favorite of mine. They're always different and always good.
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quote:At the same time, I don't really think you're fully aware of Radiohead's popularity...
No, I am. I just think they're popular with people who like pretentious things that suck. There are a lot of those people, mind you.
quote:Also, I'm curious as to what it is about Radiohead that you dislike -- or what it is they lack that makes you indifferent.
Meaningful lyrics, decent hooks, and songs that don't drag on interminably while the lead singer warbles over what may as well be electronica (i.e. crap). Radiohead manages to combine electronica with nasal whining AND jam bands, which are like the three forms of musical kryptonite to me. All we'd need is for Yorke to start doing whiny rap about his many cars and girlfriends and it'd be, like, anti-music.
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