quote:O_O When I was a kid, I timed them, and they averaged forty minutes. As I grew up, switched churches, and even moved all over the southeast, that average held true. I have never encountered a regular mass, non-baptism, non-Palm Sunday, that lasted anywhere near one and a half hours.
My average is closer to an hour for actual services.
But I was counting from start time to start time - so turnover is included. (For the high end of the range.)
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quote:Originally posted by GaalDornick: Or maybe it's just that Miami has more observant Jews than the Ft. Lauderdale area, but not as many total Jews.
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I wonder how accurate this is for Jews -- especially considering the fact that many are either not affiliated with a synagogue at all (and this is true both among the religious and non-religious, although more the latter) or with one that is so small that I cannot imagine they are on any list of membership data.
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quote:Why are the highest occurences of the Quakers outside of the Northeast? Why are there so many in Colorado and Northern Alaska?!?
Goooood question. I had no idea the northwest part of my state was such a hotbed of Quaker activity. Keep in mind, of course, that there are only about seven thousand people in that particular borough. So it wouldn't take all that many Quakers--or all that many of anything--to start showing up as statistically significant. That's basically true anywhere outside Anchorage or the Mat-Su Valley; populations here do not get very dense. Still, I never knew there was much of a Quaker community anywhere in Alaska.
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quote:Yep. Catholics have more services per Sunday on average than the the other churches I'm familiar with. Services are about 1 to 1 1/2 hours, and there's at least one on Saturday night.
When I was a kid, Mass was not more than 55 minutes. I really think that works in the Catholic's favor.
Then my mom started taking us to these protestant churches that averaged 2 hours, and I can't take more than 57 minutes of the TruthPosts: 5600 | Registered: Jul 2001
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quote: Yep. Catholics have more services per Sunday on average than the the other churches I'm familiar with. Services are about 1 to 1 1/2 hours, and there's at least one on Saturday night
I've never timed a service I've been to, but it certainly FEELS like an hour or two.
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Those maps were really interesting, Twinky. I love things that are broken down into such small detail. Very cool.
My other favorite religious mapping (though not graphical), is this one . I think it's quite accurate.
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quote:Originally posted by GaalDornick: Or maybe it's just that Miami has more observant Jews than the Ft. Lauderdale area, but not as many total Jews.
*ding ding ding!*
In Religious history class at my Catholic school, the teacher once mapped out a kind of census of the world religions. Here math basically manipulated the numbers of massive population centers based on stats and tradition, etc. For instance, 90 percent of the population of France was included as Catholic, and about the same number for any officially Catholic country. What she came up with, improbably, was something like 1.5 Billion Catholics worldwide, out of the then population of about 6 Billion. Her numbers for christians was over 2 Billion.
This is of course, SO way over my gut instinct, and it says something about how we like to construct reality based on our need to fit in. I couldn't help but argue in class that the actual numbers of "Catholics" must be WAY lower, even among a population in a Catholic country because the church claims to "dissown automatically" members who violate the church's rules in a sufficiently grave manner. My gut again tells me that the number of "good Catholics" has to be a fraction of the official number.
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Orincoro, I was thinking something similar. The LDS map, at least, is based on numbers reported by the Church itself. The church counts as "members of record" everyone baptised (which usually happens at 8 years old), regardless of whether they are active or not. And the church doesn't automatically "disown" members, even those gravely violating church rules. (I, myself, had to write and specifically request that my name be removed or I would be counted Mormon even today.)
I think the maps would be more accurate if they could list only those who self-identify as a particlar religion.
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You'd have to conduct extensive, highly granular surveys to get that kind of information, though.
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quote:When I was a kid, Mass was not more than 55 minutes. I really think that works in the Catholic's favor.
Then my mom started taking us to these protestant churches that averaged 2 hours, and I can't take more than 57 minutes of the Truth
I guess it's all what you're used to. Our normal services are an hour and ten minutes ( ), and when we occasionally go to meetings that last longer than that, I can just about set the clock by my kids' behavior. When they start being whiny and too fidgety, it's invariably an hour and ten minutes into the service. Posts: 1522 | Registered: Nov 2005
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quote:# Physical violence against a bishop # Attempting to preside over or concelebrate in Mass while being a deacon or lay person # Hearing and/or attempting to absolve confessions while being a deacon or lay person # Falsely accusing a priest of soliciting adultery while in confession # Attempting to marry while having a perpetual vow of chastity
quote: 1. Apostasy, 2. Heresy, 3. Schism, 4. Desecration of the Eucharist, 5. Physical force against the Pope, 6. Attempted sacramental absolution of a partner in adultery, 7. Ordination of a bishop without a Papal mandate (e.g. all bishops in the government-run Chinese Patriotic Church), 8. For non-electors present in the conclave, revelation of the details of the conclave, 9. Simoniacal provision of the Papal office, 10. Violation of the sacramental seal of confession by a priest or bishop, and 11. Procurement of a completed abortion.
In addition, excommunication is not the equivalent of disowning:
quote:While a person excommunicated is not damned by the Church, the person is barred from participating in its communal life. The outward sign of this loss of community involves barring the person from participating in liturgy, i.e., receiving the Eucharist or the other Sacraments. Certain other rights and privileges normally resulting from membership in the church are revoked, such as holding ecclesiastical office. Excommunication is intended to be only temporary, a "medicinal" procedure intended to guide the offender toward repentance. In the Roman Catholic Church excommunication is usually terminated by repentance, confession, and absolution. Offenses which incur excommunication must be absolved by a local ordinary (bishop or vicar general) or a priest whom the local ordinary designates.
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Regarding the Mormom ranch in Central Florida, I believe it's in Osceola County, which is due south of Orange County(Orlando) and also the home of our very own Icarus. I was surprised to see that Osceola County shows up as having less than 35% claiming to be religious adherents.
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quote: quote:Originally posted by Dagonee: Services are about 1 to 1 1/2 hours, . . . .
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When I was a kid, I timed them, and they averaged forty minutes.
Seriously? I go to an Orthodox Jewish Temple. My services start at 9:30 (although we usually get there at around 10:15) and end at around 1.
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Jenna, that is not really a meaningful question -- we don't have "meetings" as such. I believe GD is referring to the Shabbos morning prayers (the daily prayers take considerably less time). These include Shacharis (morning prayers), the reading of the week's Torah portion, and Musaf (an additional prayer added on Shabbos and holidays).
quote: 9:00-9:30 a.m. -- Morning Blessings and Pesukei De'zimrah. There are separate blessings to thank God for our thinking ability, our feet, our clothes, our eyesight, our ability to sit and walk, and even our digestive system.
9:30-9:45 a.m. -- Barchu, blessings from Shema Yisrael, Shema Yisrael itself, and blessings after Shema Yisrael. Shema is the Jewish pledge of allegiance -- proclaiming the unity of God and our acceptance of the Torah's commands.
9:45-10:00 a.m. -- Silent Amidah, where we recognize God as the holy one who protects and saves. We thank Him for the gift of Shabbat, and pray for world peace. People will be standing and perhaps swaying in more introspective prayer. Followed by the leader's repetition aloud.
10:00-10:45 a.m. -- The Torah is taken out, and the Torah portion of the week is read out loud in Hebrew. (The Torah is split into 54 portions, and read in its entirety through the course of the year.) The Torah is then returned to the ark, and the Haftarah portion of the prophets is read.
10:45-11:00 a.m. -- The rabbi speaks. [This may or may not happen every week.]
11:00 a.m. -- Musaf, which is the "additional" silent Amidah, with greater emphasis on the unique nature of Shabbat. This is also repeated aloud by the leader.
11:15 a.m. - Aleinu, closing songs, and shul announcements.
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Thanks, rivka! I appreciate the description.
I was just wondering if you had ... you know ... that many hours spent sitting in one room trying to keep the kids quiet, or if it was a variety of things all within the same time-block. Of course, my numbers would be higher if I counted the socializing too.... Posts: 1522 | Registered: Nov 2005
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The kiddush at the end is actually not part of the services, nor counted as far as how long they go. The schedule I posted is for a shul (synagogue) with fairly short services.
As far as kids go, small children are generally NOT encouraged to be present for services. Some shuls offer childcare; many do not, which means the kids stay home with one parent.
dkw, almost certainly. Although IF we had any Jewish males (or females, for that matter) present who attended ALL the daily services (as is the ideal), they'd give you a run for your money. (1-2 hours each of the six regular days, plus 4-5 hours on Shabbos)
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quote:9:00-9:30 a.m. -- Morning Blessings and Pesukei De'zimrah. There are separate blessings to thank God for our thinking ability, our feet, our clothes, our eyesight, our ability to sit and walk, and even our digestive system.
Out of interest, do you still need to recite one of the blessings if you don't have the thing in question?
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I searched and searched for a location for that Deseret Ranch. I kept finding vague allusions to 300,000 acres in the northeast of the county, straddling Orange and Brevard as well as Osceola. I think I finally found it. If my google-fu is any good, it stretches the definition of "Saint Cloud" by quite a bit. If this gives you a sense: it seems to be closer to I-95 than to I-4!
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Dag, I meant excommunication, and the biggest one that strikes me on the list is Abortion, or adultry. I would imagine a fair number of Catholics have had secret abortions or secret affairs in their lives.
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