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Teshi
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quote:
The British.
You want to kill an entire nationality of people?

Also: Why? Or are you joking (hyperliteral person speaking)?

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Advent 115
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I'd go after whoever is the originator of that most acursed book (the Holy Bible), and show him what kind of damage his book will cause to the world. Before I killed him and destroyed all his records. [Cool]
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To look at the bible and only see the harm it has done is just as myopic as looking at the bible and only seeing the good that it's done.

It's just not that bad, Advent...

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Advent 115
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Fine then, I wouldn't kill him. But I would force him to watch reruns of televangelists for all eternity. [Evil Laugh]


That way if he can learn how twisted his writings became.

And if Jesus was real then I'd appologize for the fact that many in the future believed that he was white. [Smile]

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Advent 115
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Oh and its good to know that I'm not the only Atheist here on Hatrack.
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Tante Shvester
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I wouldn't even say that you are the athiest. There is at least one 'racker that I can think of who is athier than thou.
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Advent 115
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Who, and the better question... is it a girl?
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Killing Mao depends on what time, Chinawould be in far worse straights now if you killed him before 1949, between 1954-1968 would in theory be the only period inwhich it would be a good idea, but would killing him before the Cultural Revolution accomplish much? Would it instead cause the One China Policy to have never have happened leaving millions of relatively well to do Chinese people in abject poverty? Be careful who you choose for it will have advserse consquences and I'm not saying this because of my own bias, I very well know about his mistaken policies during and after the Great Leap and how I wish some of them could have been prevented but China as it is today is thanks to him and to the other higher ups plus the wills of some 600,000,000 Chinese in the 1937-1978 period, after which economics took its turn.
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quote:
Originally posted by Teshi:
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The British.
You want to kill an entire nationality of people?

Also: Why? Or are you joking (hyperliteral person speaking)?

I'm not a fan of genocide, of course I'm kidding.

In reality, I have a lot of problems with the British, but mostly I'm annoyed with the fact that they played Cartographer in the Middle East and now the US gets blamed for all the problems over there when we try to fix Britain's messes.

They form an oppressive Empire, but 50 years after it dies everyone thinks they are the cat's meow. America forms no empire and frees all of western Europe and 50 years later everyone hates us with a fury.

They annoy me.

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Advent 115
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And they have bad teeth.
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Kasie H
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I think this is, hands down and without a doubt, the *strangest* Hatrack thread I have ever stumbled into.
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Less bloodthirsty question: whose life would you go back and save?

Considering just America (because otherwise I can't narrow it down enough to pick one) I'd start with Lincoln. If Reconstruction could have been done without the vindictiveness and more attention paid to actually protecting and helping the freed slaves, this could be a very different country.

I'm not sure he could have pulled it off, though.

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Advent 115
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If I could pick someone from China it would be Sun Tzu, how wrote the Art of War. I would save him from his torture by his enemies.

His mind would be worshiped and invaluable to the world.

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Dagonee -

The Kennedys.

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I would not rescue anyone for the same reasons that i would not kill anyone. The effects would be so enormous and unseen as to change the world as we know it.
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I would kill you Orange. Simply because I don't like the color blue... or wait a second...
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I am invincible. Did i forget to mention that earlier.
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BannaOj
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Whoever was behind burning the library at Alexandria.
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quote:
Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
Dagonee -

The Kennedys.

What's the expected outcome that makes this the best choice? (Oh, and you have to pick just one. [Razz] )
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quote:
Whoever was behind burning the library at Alexandria.
Good one!

Edit: It's still a good one. [Smile]

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(please note editorial and typographical changes... it isn't absolutely certian that an army burned it...)

It may have been Julius Caesar, but likely only indirectly...

AJ

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I would save Mozart. There are other classical composers I liked better (Bach springs to mind) but Bach had a full life and wrote more music than I can comprehend... Mozart is the epitomy of lost potential. All that he did and he died younger than I am today...

Dag: I'm not sure I would save Lincoln. I think a lot of the reason that so much of his reconstruction policies made it into law was in remberance of him. If he were still alive, his enemies would have fought him tooth and nail to make sure the South suffered for being so uppity.

Pix

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quote:
Originally posted by Jon Boy:
quote:
Originally posted by Einstien:
Me id kill hitler.

Your id kills Hitler? Freud would be impressed. Einstein, unfortunately, is not.
That's amazing. I love how the minds at Hatrack work

quote:
Originally posted by Lyrhawn:
The British.

AFTER America was already created.

But think about their accents and funny hats! You can't kill the British. Plus, if you killed them, then we wouldn't have comedic genuis such as Dame Edna and Eddie Izzard.

As for me, I think I would have to go with Hitller. Although it is possible that someone else could have risen through the ranks, I think that Hitler did it with a flair that we could have done without.

[ January 31, 2006, 04:44 PM: Message edited by: Evie3217 ]

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BannaOj
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Oh come now... at least go for Stalin instead of Hitler.

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/tyrants.htm

Or I'd save Archduke Ferdinand, even if he was just a casus beli

AJ

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The Pixiest
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If he was fat he'd be a Casus Belly
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Teshi
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quote:
They annoy me.
I wouldn't usually get into this, and I really don't want to cause a firestorm, but I'm sitting here and asking myself if I can let this go by and the answer keeps coming back as 'no'. I realise you were semi-joking but your answer about why seemed sincere, so I'm going from there.

So, and you realise you're taking me away from the West Wing to do this.

First of all, and most obviously, it's very foolish of you to blame a nation for the crimes of its leaders, especially those who were born nearly a hundred years ago. I don't think anything else needs to be said on that point, and you must understand that.

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mostly I'm annoyed with the fact that they played Cartographer in the Middle East
First of all, see above. Second of all, I don't think many people in the world, including the British, think that dividing any area arbitrarily- be it the Middle East, parts of Europe, Africa, Asia, Oceania, Antarctica or North America, all of which have had claims made at some point over their landscape by an outside power- is a good thing. In fact, most countries try not to do it at all costs.

When the Sykes-Picot Agreement was signed it was signed secretly and to keep western power in the Middle East. I believe Italy got a part too. It was a terrible idea, an agreement made in the middle of a war, for goodness' sake...

Not to excuse it by any means, but when you're loosing thousands of men every day in a trench war and you have no idea even if you're going to win and you have a mad general...

When you're on the way down, a lot of bad stuff happens. You get desperate. See the Suez Crisis for more "stupid last resorts".

And it undermined what T.E. Lawrence had been doing the whole time, too.

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and now the US gets blamed for all the problems over there when we try to fix Britain's messes.
I wouldn't say that the U.S. is being blamed for the messes in the Middle East. Yes, many people are saying that the U.S. shouldn't have gone in, but I don't think that the U.S. is being caused the root of the problems very much if at all.

Also, please do not forget that the British also have troops in Iraq.

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They form an oppressive Empire, but 50 years after it dies everyone thinks they are the cat's meow.
I don't think "everyone" thinks that the oppressive Empire is the cats meow. I think the people you mean like the percieved romantic and extensive history of the country, some of the culture and the accents.

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America forms no empire and frees all of western Europe
I'm know Western Europe is very grateful. But see below.

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and 50 years later everyone hates us with a fury.
"Everyone" hates a winner. After Pax Americana falls, "everyone" will love the U.S. and hate whoever's next [Wink] .

The dominant power is always disliked simply because it's the dominant power and no one can really do anything about it but nuture a vague dislike which can be focused either way (like/dislike) by an event.

But America and Americans are not universally hated in Europe, not any more than the reverse is true. The two continents, the two countries, England and America, are so incredibly different, of course there are going to be tensions. Heck, there's tension between Canada and America!

Anyway. There you have it.

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Actually it was his Sun who got his feet cut off me thinks.
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This reminds me of that story I read once where a guy was sent back in time to kill Hitler before he came to power, but since the assassin would have such information as to make him dangerous, then another assassin was sent to kill HIM, and another to kill HIM, and another, and another, and another...

For me, I'd bump off Mr. Floyd Abernathy, Jr. from Conifer Junction, Idaho who lived in 1891.

I don't know who he is, but he...must...be...STOPPED!

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Oh, and what would I save?

I think maybe my dignity. I lost him back in 1985, I think. Maybe it was 1986.

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Edited on account of it probably being unnecessarily inflammatory.

[ January 31, 2006, 06:59 PM: Message edited by: Bob the Lawyer ]

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That is why I would save Sun Tzu and make him my military advisor.

That way he would be indebted to me [Evil Laugh]

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quote:
Originally posted by BannaOj:
Whoever was behind burning the library at Alexandria.

quote:
Originally posted by airmanfour:
You don't mean McCarthy do you?


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Tante Shvester
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quote:
Originally posted by BannaOj:
Whoever was behind burning the library at Alexandria.

Probably some dude with some WAY overdue library fines.
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Eddie Izzard is the man! If for no other reason, spair the Britts!
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Cortez.
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*pounds podium* That quote was taken out of context! I protest.
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quote:
Originally posted by sarcare:
Since Habermas is still alive, I'm thinking that particular day's discussion was about who they would abort in the womb. And I remembered the other person--Paul of Tarsus. Well to mention Foucault, is to drop the f-bomb, and Habermas and or public sphere is equally irritating.

Okay, but why Rousseau?

(Sorry, I know I got to the thread late.)

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