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Apparently, the new Coke Black Cherry Vanilla is certified Kosher dairy. It won't affect me, because the whole idea of Black Cherry Vanilla Coke makes my tummy churn, but there's something really disturbing about Coke that's certified dairy.
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My issue would be the use by date. Doesn't something with dairy go bad a lot sooner then regular cola? Most people don't bother to check the date on soda because it is almost always drunk well in advance.
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Fair enough. I used to drink "milk-pop" when I was little, too. Pepsi and milk. But I was a little kid. And it wasn't sold that way. <shudder>
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Weird that it's certified dairy. I LOVE the new Black Cherry Vanilla Coke but I buy it in diet.
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I like coke-floats... a dollop of vanilla ice-cream in cola. Which is the same principle, I guess.
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It supposedly lasts longer than Vanilla Coke. Shelf life was actually a major reason why normal Vanilla Coke is no more. It went bad a lot faster than normal Coke, so they changed it out with the black cherry vanilla coke (which really is good by the way).
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I don't know, there are some creamy orange alocoholic drinks out there that sound sort of similar. It may not be all that bad.
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Milk can be ultrapasteurized to have a shelf-life of ~6months at room temperature, provided that the container remains unopened. Paraphrasing: Milk is pasteurized by heating at 63degreesCelcius/146degreesFahrenheit for 30minutes or at 71degreesC/160degreesF for 15seconds. The process kills the dangerous microorganisms, but leaves some benign/safe microorganisms alive which will eventually sour the milk. If the milk is kept at (refrigerator) low temperatures, the benign microorganisms reproduce more slowly and the milk takes longer to sour. In warmer temperatures, the benign microorganisms reproduce faster and the milk sours more quickly. Either way, the pasteurized milk spoils faster once the container is opened, though still slower if kept cool and faster if allowed to become warm.
Milk is ultrapasteurized by extremely rapid heating to 140degeesC/284degreesF -- ie much hotter than the 100degreesC/212degreesF boiling point of water -- in a pressurised vat, killing all of the microorganisms. Then it is rapidly vacuum-cooled and placed in a similarly sterilized container. With no microorganisms feeding on the milk, there is an extremely slow rate of spoilage -- ie what spoilage that occurs is due to gradual decomposition of the less stable chemicals which make up the milk -- and so the milk remains both safe to drink and tasty for an extremely long period of time even when stored at room temperature. And a bit less at higher (outdoor) temperatures. However, once you open the container, spores and microorganisms in the air will once again contaminate the milk, and that contamination reduces the milk's (refrigerator) shelf-life to ~10days: ie about the same as regular pasteurized milk kept in a refrigerator.
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"While Yoo-Hoo is definitely not considered a flavored milk, it does contain certain ingredients from milk - specifically, dairy whey and non-fat milk. If you are allergic to milk products or on a diet that does not permit milk-products, please check with your doctor or nutritionist to be sure."
"Why is Yoo-hoo packaged in glass bottles rather than plastic? Yoo-hoo is a unique beverage that requires special processing with high temperatures to prevent spoilage. We are unable to heat our products in plastic bottles as the plastic would melt during this process."
And I was fairly certain that some bottlers made kosher Yoo-hoo but while I can find some indications that that is true, I haven't found a page of kosher products that confirms it.
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Yoo-hoo isn't made with glass anymore, as they new produce plastics that withstand the higher temperatures. Same thing with canned baby food.
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I like milk and coke together. But not with a burger. Unless it is one of those soy veggie burgers, but not even then, 'cause I don't like those soy veggie burgers.
Lots of things that have vanilla flavor are certified dairy, even if they have no milk in them, but because the vanilla flavoring is made from ingredients that are derived from milk.
I am not interested in drinking Black Cherry Vanilla Coke, though. I'll just stick to seltzer.
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quote:Originally posted by JennaDean: If it's certified dairy, does that mean you can't order it with your hamburger?
Or would it have to be on the hamburger to be a no-no? Er ... or maybe a hamburger float?
That depends on whether it is actually dairy (that is, contains dairy ingredients), or merely "dairy equipment" (that is, cooked/baked/whatever on/in something that was used for dairy ingredients OR contains such an ingredient). Dairy foods cannot be eaten together with (or for some time after) meat foods; dairy-equipment foods cannot be served together with meat foods, but may be eaten immediately thereafter.
To give examples, if I make a kugel which contains sour cream, I cannot serve it with chicken (or beef, etc.), nor could I serve it afterwards for dessert. However, the parve (neither meat nor dairy) cake that I baked in a (clean) dairy pan could be served for dessert (although not on meat-designated plates). Clear?
To muddy the waters, a number of kosher supervision agencies stopped making the distinction about 10 years ago. Now "Dairy" on a label can mean really dairy OR dairy-equipment . . . although they will usually tell you which it is, if you ask.
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quote:Yoo-hoo isn't made with glass anymore, as they new produce plastics that withstand the higher temperatures. Same thing with canned baby food.
I still see glass containers of both those items. But I also see plastic containers of baby food (at least from Gerber) and plastic bottles of Yoo-Hoo, although I personally prefer Yoo-Hoo in juice box-type cartons...
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Phil Hendrie was talking one night about how he and his buddies ended up in some town where they couldn't serve alcholic beverages after a certain time or on a certain day or some such.
He said they were drinking a mix of milk and Root Beer that was the strongest thing they could get, and he had a name for it. I cannot for the life of me remember the name.
What is the name of the drink when you mix milk and root beer?
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Okay, to tell the truth--it's been a long time since I drank chocolate milk and oj together. I don't know if I'd still like it. My tastes have changed.
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Hm. Where I'm from, rivka, a root beer float is a root beer with vanilla ice cream, while a Brown Cow is a root beer with milk. I can easily see how the two would overlap, though. Posts: 37449 | Registered: May 1999
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It might have been Brown Cow. I thought it had more syllables than that, though. I could have sworn it had "muddy" in it, or some "muddy" type of word. But my brain has been known to be quite unreliable about such things.
It probably was Brown Cow.
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"It might have been Brown Cow...I could have sworn it had...some "muddy" type of word."
Coulda been a Vigin Mudslide. Or knowing Hendry's fondness for playful names, a Morally Pure Mudslide. But the drinks are not just milk and soda. It's base is usually cream and soda with coffee and chocolate -- with variations also containing banana/etc and/or flavorings such as amaretto/etc -- topped with whipped cream.
quote:Originally posted by Mabus: Eh....I've found that milk and sodas make an unpleasant scum inside the glass.
Chocolate milk and orange juice, now, that's a treat.
Ew! Of course, I remember my little brother mixing orange pop and root beer once. I'm not sure you can get ickier than that.
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quote:Originally posted by Tante Shvester: I like milk and coke together. But not with a burger. Unless it is one of those soy veggie burgers, but not even then, 'cause I don't like those soy veggie burgers.
If you're ever in Chicago, we have a place called Ken's Diner. It's a 50s diner, and it's kosher. And the burgers... mmm, out of this world.
And they make Tofutti shakes. Having a chocolate shake with a hamburger is a major treat.
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The primary "beneficial molecule" in milk is calcium. Or rather, calcium compounds. They would not be affected by pasteurization of any kind.
sL, the Kashrut.com link says it got the info from cRc, and confirmed with the O-U. And it makes much more sense that this coffee-flavored coke <insert green-faced smilie here> will be dairy. Especially since I kept finding the vanilla-cherry on lists with no mention of it being dairy! Thanks for the clarification.
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but while I can find some indications that that is true, I haven't found a page of kosher products that confirms it.
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