quote:Although, I must say that trying to explain a lame joke doesn't usually result in anything good.
It got me to stop trying to convince you that you'd be able to get by as a professional stud. That's a good thing, isn't it?
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Does the internet survive? How 'bout stuff around us? 'Cause as long as there are still drugs, I know we've got an anesthesiologist or two on Hatrack and some docs that could deliver my babies. So I'm happy to keep repopulating the world as long as I've got pitocin and epidurals and a doctor to attend me (without pitocin and epidurals and doctors either the baby or I would probably die.) And as long as Google-fu still works, Hatrackers can learn to do anything.
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Well, not until someone creates electricity and gets some computers running. And we'd have to find the google servers...
Edit: But for a long time, we're all living in the same community. Don't really need long-distant communication yet. (At least, that's how I figure it. There is that pesky fact about us all living in separate places now. But otherwise, how did we ALL survive?)
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If the internet is still working, then civilization hasn't fallen, and there's no need to rebuild it.
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Well, there are about 10000 people registered on Hatrack. Figure maybe 1000 of those are Cedonyms. About half are married with kids; that makes our population to be about, what, 15000?
That's a good sized town...anyone know how much food it takes to feed 15-20 k people?
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Question, though: are we counting everyone who's ever registered or only people who actually post/actively lurk?
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quote:Originally posted by Scott R: Avoiding Jatraquero picnics would be right out. I'm afraid I WOULD have to head north to meet . . . kwea . . .
You'd have to really go north to meet kwea.
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quote:Could Hatrack Rebuild Civilization?
Puhlease. We'd all starve to death arguing about whether our homosexuals should be allowed to marry each other.
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I'm an engineer and can do alot of things but I'd be severly handicapped with access to a good research quality library.
Before we start worrying about lightbulbs and computers, we need to think about where we are going to get the energy to run them. We can pretty much rule out fossil fuels and nuclear energy because way to much infrastructure is needed to mine/drill, refine etc. Solar photovoltaics are also out for the same reason unless would could manage to scavenge them from somewhere. Solar thermal and passive solar would be important. Wind power and hydropower would be obvious places to start because the technologies are alot simplier in most ways but they are only intermittent. Could we scavenge batteries from all the dead automobiles to store electricity for when the wend stops blowing?
What are the rules we would be working with? Could we scavenge metal from dumps, old cars and stuff or would we have to start from scratch mining the ore? If we have to start from scratch we would be in big trouble because all the easily accessible high quality ores are gone.
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quote:We can pretty much rule out fossil fuels and nuclear energy because way to much infrastructure is needed to mine/drill, refine etc.
I disagree. It would take quite a while to use up what's already been mined, drilled, refined, etc., especially if we were careful about it.
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I'm inherently suspicious of confident people. But it won't matter-- engineering type people are always the first to die in apocalyptic situations.
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quote:Originally posted by The Rabbit: Before we start worrying about lightbulbs and computers, we need to think about where we are going to get the energy to run them. We can pretty much rule out fossil fuels and nuclear energy because way to much infrastructure is needed to mine/drill, refine etc. Solar photovoltaics are also out for the same reason unless would could manage to scavenge them from somewhere. Solar thermal and passive solar would be important. Wind power and hydropower would be obvious places to start because the technologies are alot simplier in most ways but they are only intermittent. Could we scavenge batteries from all the dead automobiles to store electricity for when the wend stops blowing?
I would think with just a small community we could easily (well, relatively easily anyway) scavenge and hook together some massive solar and wind arrays, as well as some massive battery banks. Wire those into the existing utility grid (after winnowing down the number substations in use, of course), and into a large DC/AC converter and you should be able to provide a moderate amount of electricity to the community. Not enough for A/C and refrigerators, probably, but enough for ceiling fans and lights.
'Course, depending on where in the country we're located we might also have the option of tidal/hydro power, too. I recommend somewhere warm, and with a good growing season.
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If we don't have a library, then it's going to be almost impossible to keep civilization limping along past one generation. Even if we had all the technical know-how to get it done, without reference and learning materials, it will be extremely hard to train the next generation of techies.
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Reconstruction of complicated electronics is undoubtably for our current Generation of Hatracks ni on impossible, we could keep maintained any surviving computers for possibly an extended or indefinite period of time though.
Actually there are probably enough of us with good enough memories to scribe down at least a summary of various works of literature and this sorta falls under arts question we could just as easily recreate new art and music.
Science is as said before a method not an end.
Well if the world ends to some extent so does most monotheistic religions or at least theyre followers will nolonger be here if you take Revelations seriously, but in a more practical anwser if society as we know it gets destroyed just the act of trying to survive renders alot of religous practices and dogma probly irrelevent just because of the sheer effort of reconstruction, there will be those who try to carry on with their beliefs and practices but most will be too busy trying to rebuild roads, houses and farms to take much notice, although certaintly it will be commendable to preserve the memory, practices, knolwedge and wisdom many of the previous religions and teachings had.
We probly will not be able to reach Pre-Apoloypse levels of comfort much less industrial levels of production for a very long time to come but we can probly just create a new perception of what is comfortable with the lemons life gives us.
As for myself what I would do when the shell shock faded would be to help in every way possible in reconstruction along socialist principles, free market entrepreneurship was all well and good but now we would need to pool together our resources and in the most efficient way possible utilize themtowards not only rebuilding the economy but also society, its destruction is like writing a blank check that will allow us to write up a new society, and hopefully one that will be better then before, the basic equality of human beings may possibly through mob violence mean people forgetting who and what we are so we will have to, must to, work together as one to build a new future we can all be proud of.
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This is really hard to speculate on unless we know whether civilization has been destroyed or if all the evidence of civilization were destroyed minus us hatrackers.
Are there gas stations with gas still in them? Are there wind arrays still spinning around with no electricity going anywhere? Or has it all been wiped out?
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quote:just the act of trying to survive renders alot of religous practices and dogma probly irrelevent just because of the sheer effort of reconstruction
I'm not sure what you mean by this. People generally tend to become less religious when life gets easier, not when it gets harder. I would imagine that religion would become more important to people who are struggling to survive, not less.
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It depends on alot of circumstances, mostly on how much effort is needed to survive.
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quote:just the act of trying to survive renders alot of religous practices and dogma probly irrelevent just because of the sheer effort of reconstruction
I'm not sure what you mean by this. People generally tend to become less religious when life gets easier, not when it gets harder. I would imagine that religion would become more important to people who are struggling to survive, not less.
One thing I thought of is that our Orthodox Jews would probably have to become vegetarians...
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Has she aside in her various alternate realities been in an post apocyptic enviroment yet?
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quote:Originally posted by Blayne Bradley: It depends on alot of circumstances, mostly on how much effort is needed to survive.
Do you have an example of a people who abandoned religion when it became tough to survive? I can't think of any.
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quote:Do you have an example of a people who abandoned religion it became tough to survive? I can't think of any.
You weren't asking me, and this is almost completely irrelivent, but, anywho...
The only thing I could come up with is people who are faced with the loss of a loved one could find it difficult to survive and abandon religion. They certainly do it a lot on TV.
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quote:Do you have an example of a people who abandoned religion when it became tough to survive? I can't think of any.
Alma 62:41
quote:41 But behold, because of the exceedingly great length of the war between the Nephites and the Lamanites many had become hardened, because of the exceedingly great length of the war; and many were softened because of their afflictions, insomuch that they did humble themselves before God, even in the depth of humility.
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On a side thought, are there any examples where people representing many different religions were mixed together and then completely isolated from outside influence for an extended period of time? I'm wondering if religion would primarily create smaller communties within the whole that would eventually isolate themselves as soon as they become independent, or would there tend to be a diffusion of religious ideas and doctrines until there was basically one homogeneous religion, or some combination of those extremes, and if there are any examples of this happening?
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Um, that passage does not describe a people who abandoned religion. I don't understand what your point is.
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quote:Do you have an example of a people who abandoned religion it became tough to survive? I can't think of any.
*A people* being a considerable group of people, not isolated examples of one to a handful.
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quote: As for myself what I would do when the shell shock faded would be to help in every way possible in reconstruction along socialist principles, free market entrepreneurship was all well and good but now we would need to pool together our resources and in the most efficient way possible utilize themtowards not only rebuilding the economy but also society, its destruction is like writing a blank check that will allow us to write up a new society, and hopefully one that will be better then before, the basic equality of human beings may possibly through mob violence mean people forgetting who and what we are so we will have to, must to, work together as one to build a new future we can all be proud of.
You would have to kill me to take the fruits of my labour against my will.
And I have no doubt you would try.
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Maybe Blayne could take those who agree with him and form their own commune and leave those who don't want to share their stuff with him alone.
But then, if his goal is to mold society to how he thinks it should be, having a competing viewpoint surviving out there might work against his goals.
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quote:Originally posted by mr_porteiro_head: Maybe Blayne could take those who agree with him and form their own commune and leave those who don't want to share their stuff with him alone.
But then, if his goal is to mold society to how he thinks it should be, having a competing viewpoint surviving out there might work against his goals.
And thus we see within moments factions have already begun to develop within the perfect hatrack civilization.
Why don't we just start creating boarders, and divide ourselves into competing tribes?
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Hey, I started this thing. If people get too crazy, I'll change the rules so that they didn't survive after all! Posts: 2880 | Registered: Jun 2004
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MPH: If they have someone elses labour to fall back on, they're not going to produce as much. If society is there to carry you, you don't work as hard. It's human nature. If it's work or die, it tends to be a different story.
When they're starving they'll come demanding from us.
I don't think it'll take long for Blayne to starve.
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quote:Originally posted by camus: On a side thought, are there any examples where people representing many different religions were mixed together and then completely isolated from outside influence for an extended period of time? I'm wondering if religion would primarily create smaller communties within the whole that would eventually isolate themselves as soon as they become independent, or would there tend to be a diffusion of religious ideas and doctrines until there was basically one homogeneous religion, or some combination of those extremes, and if there are any examples of this happening?
I've never head of it. But you have a point.
I would be quite happy to redistribute my property and put my food into a communal pool with other LDS, if the distribution was administered by church leadership (the local bishop, stake presidency, etc.) But I would not be willing to do the same with the general population, I don't think.
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quote:Originally posted by The Pixiest: BB: Blayne killed it by asserting he had a right to other people's things.
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Personally, I think that some sort of communal living would drastically increase the chances of surviving. Anybody who insisted on strict capitalist ideals of only getting what you yourself worked for would have a much lower standard of living.
quote:Hey, I started this thing. If people get too crazy, I'll change the rules so that they didn't survive after all!
Too late. It's grown beyond you, just like the MCP.
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