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Lisa
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Yes, even if you read it early. I finished it a few hours ago, and it was amazing. Turns out I did fairly well on the quiz, too.

I figured out that the doe was Snape's patronus. Or should I say patrona?

I was a little bugged at the idea that Dumbledore could have been the rightful owner of the Elder Wand when he didn't actually kill whatshisname, but I guess defeating him was enough.

And I managed to get through the whole thing without running into a single spoiler. Unless reading the book a few days before it's released counts as a spoiler, I mean.

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Lisa
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I don't know how many of you have read the recaps of TV shows on TelevisionWithoutPity.com (used to be Mighty Big TV, or mbtv.com), but I just read a recap of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows that is worth of TWoP in all its snarkiness.

It's detailed, and there's definitely a language advisory.

Here it is.

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TL
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Oh thank God, Lisa. I've been dying to talk to someone about this.

Snape's story. So sad. I nearly cried. I wasn't able to predict, at all, though I probably should have been able to, looking back now at the seeming obviousness of it, that it was Snape who was helping them.

How about Neville at the battle of Hogwarts? I love Neville, like, officially.

It was awesome, how it came together at the end, even though there was slightly too much speechifying. (Okay, a lot.)

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I was with Snake all the way, he just didn't seem to be overtly doing enough to definitely be evil.

I knew in my gut one of the twins was going to die, and I figured Draco would have a change of conscience but if was not as distinct as I had hoped.

I was not a big fan of Dumbledore KNOWING Ron would walk out on Harry and Hermione and then come back. It seemed alittle to James Bondish.

Actually I will save most of my thoughts for tomorrow, it will be a good thing to type up at work. Thanks for making this thread Lisa I was wondering how many other hatrackers braved the scanned version. Also thanks for suggesting a viewing program, it made reading it LOADS easier.

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Yeah, it really did come together well. I was able to guess some of Snape's story, but the doe being his patronus didn't even occur to me. I really liked that Dumbledore's background was fleshed out a lot. He never really seemed like much of a character to me before, but seeing his past like that really made everything fit together a lot better.
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I figured one of the trio would die.

And surprisingly- Harry's non-death actually fit reasonably well within the series rules.

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Who was the person that did magic that never had before though?

I think the most beautiful line in possibly the whole series "Here Lies Dobby a Free Elf"

That and the scene with Dudley really made me feel somewhat better.

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Lisa
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I was also wondering who did magic late in life under extreme circumstances.

And when Rowling said there was one chapter where she cried and cried, I'm wondering whether that was Dobby's death or Snape's story.

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The earliest hint that Snape was good in this one was his "punishment" of Ginny, Neville, and Luna. That cleared that controversy up for me, for the most part.

This one will make the best movie of the 7, with all those great action sequences. Hopefully there are no cheap director tricks (if they weaken Neville's character by having Harry give some sign that he's alive in the climactic scene, I will be pissed. Torch and pitchfork pissed.) The change I'd like to see in the movie is more of the Battle of Hogwarts, not just Harry's soldier-eye view.

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quote:
And when Rowling said there was one chapter where she cried and cried, I'm wondering whether that was Dobby's death or Snape's story.
TBH, Harry so nobley going to his death could have easily done it, at least for me. Heck even Snape or (cripes was it George who died?) could have done it.

Percey finally coming back to his family and watching his brother who forgave him so quickly die suddenly was very moving for me.

The only person I doubt it could have been was Mad Eye.

Did it bother anyone else that Voldemort when he killed Harry just casually pulled out his wand and killed him? This was his opponent of MANY years who had nearly KILLED him, and he came of his own accord. Don't you think there would have been some sort of verbal exchange if not a proper duel? Voldemort was always talking about how much stronger he was then Harry, you'd think his pride would require he kill Harry with more ceremony.

I'm also racking my brains for the person who did magic late in life.

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So who are the two important people who died? There seem to be some contradictory answers above. (I haven't read any Harry Potter books---I've just seen the movies---but I want to know.)
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Lisa
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quote:
Originally posted by ricree101:
Yeah, it really did come together well. I was able to guess some of Snape's story, but the doe being his patronus didn't even occur to me.

See, the doe made me think of Lily. If James was a stag, Lily being a doe made sense to me. But I couldn't see how it could be Lily, being dead and all. And then I remembered how Tonks' patronus changed to look like Remus when she fell in love with him, and I figured it had to be someone who was in love with Lily.
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Lisa
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She never said there were going to be two important people who died. Only that there were two people who she'd originally planned to have live who died instead. It could have been anyone. Tonks and Remus, maybe.
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quote:
And when Rowling said there was one chapter where she cried and cried, I'm wondering whether that was Dobby's death or Snape's story.
My guess was Bellatrix torturing Hermione while Ron and Harry were helpless, listening, Ron screaming her name over and over again. That was harrowing stuff.
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quote:
Originally posted by TL:
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And when Rowling said there was one chapter where she cried and cried, I'm wondering whether that was Dobby's death or Snape's story.
My guess was Bellatrix torturing Hermione while Ron and Harry were helpless, listening, Ron screaming her name over and over again. That was harrowing stuff.
Perhaps even "hallowing?" [Wink]
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Lisa
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Eh. There's nothing sacred about suffering. Mel Gibson to the contrary.
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This is ok right since it's not a spoiler since you've read already?
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I'm pretty sure it's not okay. [Smile]
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Lisa
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I'm pretty sure it is.
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I just realized something. One thing that I wanted to know- what was the veil about? AH... knew there'd be something that would leave me hanging.
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quote:
I'm pretty sure it is.
What other thread could possibly have prompted the whistling?
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Well just to be fair- but now it is past midnight in Mountain time- let alone with those in Europe!

We should be fine now.

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It was nearly perfect. The only thing I would have taken out was the epilogue - ending with the ovation in the Headmaster's office was my idea of a perfect ending. Then Ginny had to re-enter the picture and all hope was lost.

Neville was entirely made of win, every time he appeared; Dean also stepped it up and kicked butt. I was very distressed by the demises of Tonks and Remus - just after they'd had the baby, no less! - and the scene that really got me was when Harry used the Resurrection Stone and the lot of them popped up looking happy. Actually, anything related to James and Lily got me worked up.

Also, Dumbledore's relationship with Grindelwald was a ridiculously awesome touch. The eye in the mirror was obviously Aberforth, but the history between all of them was actually pretty cool. The Malfoys seemed... to lose their touch. Draco was never much of a threat, but Crabbe? "What's a die-dum?" Hilarious.

And I knew Harry was a Horcrux. I knew it.

Stupid epilogue.

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Just finished. It's 8:29 AM here, Eastern Standard time. I got the book at about one AM, read the first four and a half chapters, then hit up Steak N Shake for a late night dinner before they took me home(dad didn't want me braving the traffic that late at night alone, with a valuable book). Started reading again about three am.

First, I'm proud of myself. The only spoiler I ran into was the identity of Snape's patronus. HOWEVER, I didn't really remember that til like, the chapter before they explained it, so it's all good. I'm fairly proud of myself- I brought headphones with me and a few friends to the party to ignore the people driving by the bookstore shouting spoilers.

As for the book... there are simply no words to describe it. It was certainly an emotional roller coaster, at least for me- laughing, crying, crying because I was laughing so hard... it went everywhere. I held out on the tears for a while, though- I didn't actually shed a tear until Lupin died. But it was SO worth it.

I'm keeping my bracelet on for as long as the cruddy paper will hold up.

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My first horrible moment was Hemoine being tortured. I was sad when Dobby died, and then had to walk away from the book (albeit briefly) when Fred died.

And then Remus and Tonks - oh my.

I didn't mind the epilogue, but I didn't like the fact it left so much unanswered. (What did George do? Where's Luna? Who looked after Teddy Lupin? And so on..)

But overall, I loved it.

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Oddly, many of the big dramatic scenes, while they did engage me...didn't move me.

It was the little things that moved me to tears. Like when Harry found Lily's letter to Sirius. [Cry]

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The worst bit for me by FAR was Fred's death. My cousin had suggested one of the Weasly twins would go, but I couldn't believe it. When it happened...

What I didn't like about the very end was how she never told us what happened to George. All I wanted was a sentence saying that he was okay in the 19 years later chapter, and it would alleviate the hot cry-y feeling that's presently pricking at my eyelids as I write this. I knew we'd loose a Weasly, but there's nothing that's more tragic for me than losing half a twin, especially since Fred and George were always such a wonderful pair. If I had the chance to change ONE thing about the book, I'd save Fred.

Tonks and Lupin going together was also terrible. I thought they were safe after the birth of their child.

I also wanted to know about their N.E.W.T.s, or the lack thereof. Did they just graduate? Did they stick around at the school for a little, cleaning up, burying the dead, sorting affairs? I thought that we could have done with a paragraph about that.

What I liked:

Snape (with reservations). As I read the book, I was torn. He's good! He's not! He's good! He's not! He's good! His heroism was a little sudden, though. His complex character was suddenly made quite one-sided through a single, devoted love- one I sort of expected. I expected more shades of grey. In the end, Dumbledore was much more of a grey character and Snape much whiter. That was a little odd for me. Not actively bad, just sorta odd.

Godric's Hollow; I'm a sucker for the return home.

Shell Cottage. It all came together there. The cosy feeling of the cottage haven by the sea was a welcome relief. Dobby's burial, as opposed to being tragic for me, was more comforting.

A giant empty King's Cross being Harry's limbo. Where else could be more perfect? I was confused, however, by the huddled figure there. I've read that scene again now but I still don't really understand who or what that is?

Lily. She always was the character I admired and identified with the most. To have her emerge as a shining character made me very happy. I guessed that the doe was related to her (although a stag and a doe getting married I felt was a little obvious, actually), but I didn't figure who it was.

Overall, I liked the whole thing. I liked to return to each of our favourite haunts: The Burrow, Gringotts, Diagon Alley, the Quidditch match wood and finally (you knew it was coming) Hogwarts.

What I didn't like:

I didn't like the way this book eschewed the pattern of the other six. Sure, it followed the basic months of the school year, but it wasn't set at Hogwarts. This for me sort of contradicts what I said just above. I also realise that returning to Hogwarts under the Snape and Voldemort would have been pretty well impossible and we got a good idea of what Luna, Neville, Seamus and Ginny had been doing what the others were away. But because there was no normalcy at all... I feel sort of like I watched them go through the school for six years and then they never finished. It was as if a plot had been left undone- put aside among all the grandiose death and life themes. I just wanted to see them graduate, y'know? It was like that after Harry went to bed in his old room, there was a tiny bit missing after that. (I said this above).

Fred. I said this above too. I really, really, really could have done without Fred's death. The others were tragic but bearable. The Weasly Twins- goodness it hurts to say that- were for me the very heart of the good, well-meaning humour of the book. All of us who saw Serenity (also based heavily on love) know the dramatic and emotional power of killing the character who plays that part, but holey mackeral do they have to do it every time? Sometimes the funny guys should survive, just because.

I-

Yeah.

It's over. They won. Old Mouldymort is finally, truthfully, completely, utterly, totally, ultimately and rightfully dead.

I want Fred back. I now vow to be much funnier, even if I die tragically ( [Wink] ). The world needs more funny people.

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Oh, I don't think that Snape lost his shades of grey. Bear in mind what an arse he's been all through the series, not just to Harry whose very existence tortures him, but to everyone Harry associates with at all. I am totally never forgiving him for being so mean about Hermione's teeth in her fourth year - cause why? why? why would you say such a nasty thing to a fourteen-year-old girl? And he bullies Neville. He uses his position of power to bully people and be generally awful and I hate him for all his awful actions. And I know that he hated Lupin for many good reasons but I still do not forgive him for calling him "werewolf" and tying him up and making him lose his job in the third book.

However, I would just like to say here, as I have said in the other thread, I so called it.. I actually even called the part about how him calling Lily "Mudblood" was the specific moment that their friendship ended. My family scoffed so much at that bit that I didn't post it in the thread, but I definitely floated that theory.

My mother is reading the book right now, and she's going to be so happy about Snape's death scene. She's been saying for at least three books now that Snape was in love with Lily, and predicting an extremely maudlin death scene in which Snape looks into Harry's eyes (Lily's eyes) and hallucinates, imagining that he's talking to Lily and telling her that he did it, he saved her son, now please forgive him. And such. Which isn't what happens, but there is an eyes moment, which is more than enough to please her.

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What was good:

Dumbledore's Shades of Grey.

Snape only being brave for Lily/Harry.. not specifically being for or against Voldemort- as it was mostly argued.

Potter dying. - Genius..

Sooooo much action. Looooved it.

Poly-incognito operations to boot!

A humanized villain. Not all-knowing.

All the relationships were vibrant with change.


What was bad:

Technicalities save the day.

Harry comes back to life..
I say let a sacrifice be a real sacrifice.. that would be the stronger choice. With Neville or Draco, or a mix, finish him off. - That or change the order of operations, the snake gets chopped and then have Potter run up and shout 'Avada-!' at himself, ending both of them.

Not enough important deaths for such a big battle.
Ron, Hermoine, Harry, or Hagrid should have died (and stayed dead)

And once more.. Too much focus on technicalities.. such with the Hallows and more specifically the wands.
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Yeah.. Potter should have been the last horcrux to go..

( oh man.. and the description of Dobby's death!!!.. that was killer.. that last sentence about his large eyes with the reflections of the stars in them he'd never see..
a truly beautiful exit line.)

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The future Potter books should definitely be focused on Teddy Lupin. - It's set up way too well.
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What future Harry Potter books?
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Rowling has said any future Potter book would be an "encyclopedia of the Wizarding World" type deal, not a novel.
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*Waiting patiently for the inevitable Harry Potter d20 system*

In other news ... I think I'm a little bit disappointed with Neville's fate. There are few characters in literature as badass as Neville Longbottom, and I can't help but wish that he had grown up to do badass things. Are there still Aurors?

Also: Who is Headmaster at Hogwarts in 2017? And who is Minister of Magic? Did I skim these details or were they not mentioned? I want to know these things.

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I was one of the many who felt it would be bad if Rowling wrote more HP books after her promised seven, but now I've completely reconsidered. I would love to hear more about the next generation of wizards or--even better--tohear more about the events in the 19 year lapse.
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I'm torn. I mean ... I want to see what else Rowling can do, and I want to see what other writers can do in the Harry Potter universe.

But I don't want it to become a Star Trek / Star Wars novel type thing.

Maybe a select few authors. I would get a heck of a kick out of a few standalone Harry Potter universe novels penned by Neil Gaiman, Orson Scott Card, Stephen King maybe, Mercedes Lackey maybe.

*sigh* .. That would be awesome.

Keep the Star people away from it, though.

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quote:
Originally posted by TL:
*Waiting patiently for the inevitable Harry Potter d20 system*

In other news ... I think I'm a little bit disappointed with Neville's fate. There are few characters in literature as badass as Neville Longbottom, and I can't help but wish that he had grown up to do badass things. Are there still Aurors?

Also: Who is Headmaster at Hogwarts in 2017? And who is Minister of Magic? Did I skim these details or were they not mentioned? I want to know these things.

I think the fact that Neville ends up teaching herbology suggests there's a minimal need for aurors, since I can't imagine him doing anything other than fighting the dark arts as long as there's a need.
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there's too many loose ends with potential. I think she's leaving things open on purpose.

oh- how the hell did Grawp survive?

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Giants in the series seem to have a natural resistance to hostile magic, plus eventually Harry's "death" cast that all-important level of primal mystical protection on all his allies.
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quote:
Originally posted by Pepek:
I say let a sacrifice be a real sacrifice..

I don't get how it was any less of a sacrifice because of what happened later. It's not as though Harry knew he'd come back.

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Not enough important deaths for such a big battle.
Ron, Hermoine, Harry, or Hagrid should have died (and stayed dead)

<sigh> More of that. It makes me so sad to see people thinking that death and suffering is the epitome of redemption and goodness.

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I was confused, however, by the huddled figure there. I've read that scene again now but I still don't really understand who or what that is?

It was Voldemort. The piece of his soul that was trapped inside Harry.
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Oh.... That's what that was.
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I just finished the book and, maybe I'm stupid, but I can't figure out how Draco was the rightful owner of the Elder Wand. Can someone share their insight with me, please?

Thanks.

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Draco disarmed, i.e. "beat," Dumbledore when they were on the tower in HBP.
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Thank you, Carrie. I knew it was something simple I missed. Now I can go to bed. :-)
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More of that. It makes me so sad to see people thinking that death and suffering is the epitome of redemption and goodness.
Thank you. perfect way to phrase it.
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You mean the book doesn't end with a middle-aged Harry waking up in a bed next to Hermione, realizing that the whole thing was just a dream?
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I don't know how Harry was the rightful owner, when the wand he took from Draco wasn't the Elder wand....or how stealing it caused the ownership to pass either. [Smile]


Good book....I read it all in one sitting.

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I read it in approximately 12 hours, and was very pleasantly surprised to realize, somewhere near the end, that absolutely none of it had been spoiled for me. I had no idea what was actually going to happen until I read it, and that was pure gold. [Smile]

Neville, McGonnagal, and Mrs. Weasley kick some serious ass.

I was on the verge of tears many times, when Harry found Lily's letter, when Fred died, when Lupin and Tonks died, when Hermione was being tortured and Ron was screaming, but I was positively crying when Harry was convinced that he had to die.

However, through the whole book, I was basically convinced that Harry wasn't going to die, and that Dumbledore would be redeemed...It wasn't logical, I just...told myself that it was true. And I was right. [Smile]

And I was SO RIGHT about Snape!! On all accounts! [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
And I was really, really happy about Draco, Narcissa, Kreacher, Dudley, and especially Snape.

I do have several complaints about the book, but honestly....who cares? It's the last Harry Potter book. It was good enough, and that made it wonderful. [Smile]

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Ah, I forgot, there's one question that didn't get answered.

I don't have a copy of book 6, so I can't go back to it, but maybe someone else will have an answer.

Why exactly was Dumbledore pleading with Snape right before he died? Of course it doesn't matter nearly as much as it used to, since we now know Dumbledore had long been expecting to die, but I'm still curious. Was he pleading with Snape TO kill him, so as to avoid humiliation? Was he afraid Snape would lose his nerve?

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he was pleading with Snape to kill him. Snape is clearly a brave man, but that would have been such a difficult thing to do..
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Voldy is stupid. He can kill people with other spells, he should've tried something less fatal against Potter after all the kid was saying, just to test the waters but noooo..

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What happened to Umbridge? I wanted to see her get her commuppance!

I didn't like Mrs. Weasley swearing. Bellatrix may be a *itch, but I have never, ever pictured Mrs. Weasley saying it.

I knew a Weasley would die. I was prepared. I was hoping it would be Percy, but as Lisa wrote "It makes me so sad to see people thinking that death and suffering is the epitome of redemption and goodness" I am glad she made Fred so forgiving. The Twins have always been all about family...JK did that right.

The only time I truely sobbed was when Dobby died. The whole scene...Harry realizing his death, digging the grave, the funeral. I was also very touched with Percy return and Kreacher's 180.

Can someone explain to me how they got the sword back from the Goblins? Did I skip something?

I am pleased. I am sad it's over. Ten years of anticipation was quenched in 25 hours. I better got to bed. It's almost 6am and I need to go to church in three hours...

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