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I've been up for nearly 24 hours straight (although I didn't get my hands on the book till nearly 11 pm, had to wait for the kid to finish) so I'm not fully capable of serious discussion....
I cried. Hard. And in several places. I'm angry that Harry was in fact a Horcrux. That feels like a huge cheat to me. I loved that Hermione and Ron each got to destroy one, though. I'm still iffy on Snape. The whole Pensieve segment was the worst of the tears for me. But I still feel that he did it all for himself and not for anyone or anything else. And I was confused on the Elder Wand till reading posts here.
Obviously I need to reread.... LOL But first I need sleep.
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quote:Can someone explain to me how they got the sword back from the Goblins? Did I skip something?
They didn't get it back as far as I rememeber. They found other ways to destroy the horocruxes, one ingenious (Basilisk fang in the Chamber of Secrets) one just dumb luck (Goyle's cursed fire.)
Lisa:
quote:I don't get how it was any less of a sacrifice because of what happened later. It's not as though Harry knew he'd come back.
Completely agreed. It isn't a lesser sacrifice as far as I am concerned. One might argue it was gutless for the AUTHOR, but I personally don't think so.
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I retrospectified my opinion on the sacrifice thing in the other 'official' thread.
The sword can be summoned through the sorting hat by a true Griff - my assumption was that while the hat was on Neville's head it told him to take the sword from inside it first chance he had, because as shown in the first book, the person wearing the sorting hat can converse with it through their mind.
"I need to kill the snake!" Neville thought to himself, bent down by the will of Voldemort.
"Hello! i'm Mr. Hat!, conveniently Voldemort has placed me on your head so he can set me on fire! Making a mockery out of you and your cause."
"What?" Neville was confused. And in pain. Fire doesn't feel very good.
"You have proven yourself worthy of the sword which can kill the snake! So when the curse lets up, pull it out of my puppet hole and attack!"
- And so it was done.
Harry was a horcrux, yeah? - So could the kids have cast 'avada-!' at the other horcruxs and destroyed them as well? Maybe not the inanimate ones, but the snake at least?
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Dumbledore was begging Snape to kill him instead of Draco (who had been order by LV to kill him or he'd kill Draco's family and him). Dumbledore told Snape didn't want Draco's soul damaged (split?) by committing murder. Dumbledore had gotten Snape's word that he would do it, instead of Draco.
I actually ended up having compassion for Draco and his mother. Lucuis, though, can go the way of Azkaban as far as I'm concerned. lol
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I figured Voldemort could destroy the Harry Horcrux with Avada Kadavra because he made it, even if inadvertantly.
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It's funny, actually. I was reading some posts from BEFORE the book came out today on another forum, and one of them said essentially this:
"This leaked one has to be a fake, because on page ***, Mrs. Weasley shouts, "Not my daughter, you b****!", and that would NEVER happen in ANY of the HP books."
I laughed so hard.
Edit: Oh, and it's Albus Severus. Named for Albus Dumbledore.
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I was enchanted that Mrs. Weasley got Bellatrix. I got chills. And Sirius having the posters of Muggle girls in bikinis was so excellent.
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I'm assuming that McGonagall became headmaster. As for Minister, I have no idea. Definetly one of the Order. I was thinking Arthur or Kingsley.
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quote:Originally posted by Tara: Mrs. Weasley kick some serious ass.
I thought that part (when she killed Bellatrix) was so amazingly perfect. I'd been waiting for her to snap since the fifth book. It happened. And she was amazingly rude and heroic.
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I wonder who's the lucky fellow that gets to be Defense against the Dark Arts teacher for more than one year. (now that Voldmunch is gone)
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Well, I don't think that anyone would ever think that after Hitler went, soldiers were no longer required or that bad people were gone forever from the world. I think Aurors would, although being slightly less immediately necessary, still be a small elite force of anti-Dark witches and wizards.
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I believe, personally, that the deaths in this book just seemed to be more emotionally compelling than the other deaths. It was the last book, and the character had almost made it.
They were characters that were generally more likeable. And they all died valiantly. Even Hedwig.
They all just seemed more powerful and moving in this one.
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To all you people who said, "Harry can't be a horcrux! That is SOO STUPID!!1"
*delicately clears throat*
Take THAT! You not-so-smarty-pantses!!!
*Ungracious, booty-wigglin' dance of smug superiority*
I was so totally right. Dumbledore was really, really dead. Snape was a good guy, and Harry WAS a horcrux! Nyah!
*coughs*
I mean to say that I really enjoyed the book, and I loved the care with which she managed to pull everything off. It was so... wrenching, even though I suspected what was coming.
Yay for Longbottom!! Yay for good people going on with their ordinary lives. I thought it was just beautiful. Perfect.
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I was confident that it would end up coming out that way. In fact, one of the only things I didn't guess was that the doe was Snape's patronus.
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I finished it. I never like the final books in a series. Ever.
This was no exception. Of course I can say I loved it, but now it means that... <Sniff> There's no more Harry Potter stories.
The sad thing is that I never read and HP books, or saw any HP movies before April of this year.
But still.
I loved Mrs. Weasly swearing. And it's justified, considering the death of her son.
I was kinda surprised that Hagrid didn't die. That's what I was betting on... And then, of course, I bought the whole dying Harry Potter thing until he woke up and saw the shivering creature.
I, for one, felt very smart for figuring out why Lupin was so depressed early on in the book.
I also knew Snape was a good guy, although I had my doubts in this book.
I figured out that Snape didn't just kill Dumbledore to keep his cover in front of Draco once I found out that the wand was linked to Hogwarts. It became obvious then that Snape was under specific orders to kill Dumbledore.
What I don't understand is why Hermione had that book of runes? All it did was lead them to learn about the deathly hollows, which Dumbledore didn't want Harry to know about.
I'll stop now. I'm just... feeling so many things right now. <Chin quivers> I'll be back later.
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Three cheers for Olivet and her Harry is a Horcrux idea! I have been impressing people with the Harry is a Horcrux idea for the last two years, as I was right there with you. As always, Hatrack is the best.
Hip Hip Horrah!
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He wanted Harry to have the choice of how to stop V, not to keep him away from them= completely.
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One of the best and sadest parts in the book for me was when Harry barred(sp?)Dobby. I thought that Harry not using magic was in a way a testment to Dobby's life. Touching very touching.
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Didn't Dumbledore say something way back in Book Two to the effect that any true Gryffindor may reach into the Sorting Hat and pull out Godric's Sword in the time of need?
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I believe he made a pun...he said something about Harry not needing to worry if he was in the right house, because it would take a a real Griffindor to pull THAT out that the hat.
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Man, what a rush. Hedwig dying at the beginning was sad, but I didn't really start to feel anything until I read:
"The Ministry has fallen. Scrimgoeur is dead. They are coming."
I had a huge shiver roll up and down my body when I read that, and the excitement never really died (with the exception of a couple rather long sections of exposition) until the end. I thought there were maybe one or two moments that seemed sort of like...Star Trek explanations to why things happened.
"But why did my wand destroy Voldemort's other wand too?" Harry asked.
"Well my dear boy, with your first wand, you simply reversed the polarity! But this time you caused a feedback loop in the wand's phoenix feather core which caused Voldemort's wand to overload..."
But oh well, I have to nitpick that far to find anything I dislike about this book. It was an amazing ride, and my head is going to be in knots for days just thinking about it. I knew Snape wasn't really a bad guy all along, and his death is all the more tragic now. I really didn't think the Harry as a Horcrux thing made sense before, and that's one of those little excessively explanatory things that bothered me a little bit, but the way Rowling handled it was superbly done.
I was really taken aback by Mrs. Weasley's swearing, but I can't say I'm all that surprised given what was at stake for her. And I liked seeing Bellatrix undone by a mother's wrath.
I don't have much else to say, other than Rowling is amazing, and that was a spetacular ending that outdid anything I imagined it could be.
quote:Originally posted by Tara: I believe it said Kingsley was Minister.
And if there is a DADA teacher, it's probably Harry.
They said that Kingsley was made temporary Minister. I don't think that Harry is the DADA professor. He and Ginny wouldn't have asked their kid to send Neville their love if he was going to be there.
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quote:Originally posted by Tara: I believe it said Kingsley was Minister.
And if there is a DADA teacher, it's probably Harry.
They said that Kingsley was made temporary Minister. I don't think that Harry is the DADA professor. He and Ginny wouldn't have asked their kid to send Neville their love if he was going to be there.
Not to mention that the teachers also live at Hogwarts.
If there's ever an official "history" of what happens in those 19 years, I hope the DADA professor ends up being someone surprising.
Like Luna. Or Dennis Creevey. Or Cho Chang.
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